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09-10-2009, 03:08 PM

(First off... Janak, congrats bro!!! Nice stats.)

However, GFY - you guys are all foccussing on the wrong number in the stats... Your looking at the $ and tripping all over your selves... Thinking he's pulling something.

> The fact is, they are converting free joins to paid joins at 3% <

He's showing 65,138 free members converting to 1,981 paying members. (after charge backs)

Anyone else pushing dating here?

Is a 3% conversion rate impressive?
Not to me.

Getting paid $130 per sale is cool. Nice job, that's impressive. (they're not making money on you there.)
Converting unique ips to free joins at 9% is impressive. Especially on Gallery traffic. That's impressive. Good buys.

Stop looking at the $ kids, other than to congratulate him on.

Or... At least that's what I would look at.

Anyone else?

(no disrespect.)

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09-10-2009, 03:18 PM

The fact that you run a dating program has nothing to do with this thread right?
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09-10-2009, 03:19 PM

it is fun to look at his stats though... so i'll post them again...

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09-10-2009, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by TheSlutty

The fact that you run a dating program has nothing to do with this thread right?

The fact that I run a dating program is probably why I look at his stats different than all of those others that have been bashing him and accusing him of posting fake stats and working for AFF.

Am I here for any self promotion?
Sure... but I think I also lend some good perspective where I can.

How about you?

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09-10-2009, 03:22 PM

Stop it, you're talking about something a lot of people here don't know anything about.

Making money.
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09-10-2009, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by HookUPcom

The fact that I run a dating program is probably why I look at his stats different than all of those others that have been bashing him and accusing him of posting fake stats and working for AFF.

Am I here for any self promotion?
Sure... but I think I also lend some good perspective where I can.

How about you?

I don't have much to comment on as I have never tried your program.
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09-10-2009, 03:26 PM

I agree, but I also think you are looking at the stats the wrong way, too.

Conversion doesn't matter! What matters is RPC (Revenue Per Click).

When you look at the variables, some dating sites will have a better click to free ratio, some will have a better free to paid ratio, some will convert worse but their per sale is higher or retention length is longer; and so on.

The only fair way to compare dating programs (or pretty much any program for that matter) is if I send program X 10,000 clicks and I send program Y 10,000 clicks (of the same quality of course) - who makes me more money ??

An extra note especially for dating programs is, different programs count "free profiles" differently. Some credit it when a basic profile is filled out, others you must confirm the email first, others require a multiple page profile. Thus it's really not the same comparison at all.

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09-10-2009, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Varius

Conversion doesn't matter! What matters is RPC (Revenue Per Click).

Yes, but you can only compare your own traffic to this... I have affiliates that convert paid SE traffic near 1:10 clicks to free joins continuously... But that obviously (unfortunately) isn't the case with Tube traffic.

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09-10-2009, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by HookUPcom

Yes, but you can only compare your own traffic to this... I have affiliates that convert paid SE traffic near 1:10 clicks to free joins continuously... But that obviously (unfortunately) isn't the case with Tube traffic.

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Ok, from the program's point of view yes, you need to base yourself on conversions. You still couldn't compare yourself to another program based on one affiliates' stats; you would have to compare your overall average conversion to theirs (which of course you won't know) and you would have to have the same ratio of affiliates sending traffic type x,y,z... so all in all, not possible

ie. let's say your program does 10% free to paid on average, there is the possibility for this affiliate you maybe would do 2% - unless an actual test has been done, then comparing these numbers is an exercise in futility

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09-10-2009, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by HookUPcom

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09-10-2009, 04:07 PM

Did he say what his traffic is from?
WG

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09-10-2009, 04:16 PM

He has got a very nice stats that make me this ↓

And there are not many things that can do this to me I say, congrats to him!

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09-10-2009, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Did he say what his traffic is from?
WG

mostly banner and galleries

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09-10-2009, 07:41 PM

I sent 55 free members to getiton at 1:10 a little while ago... let's see if any end up ordering anything.

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09-10-2009, 08:12 PM

55 at 1:10, nice traffic. Good job.

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09-10-2009, 08:55 PM

The metric I care about, as I've said, is this one:

How much I get from traffic - How much I spend to generate the traffic = ???

GIO have produced the best result from this equation from any of the sites I've tried (LOTS)on a CPC basis, including yours.

My stats here.
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09-10-2009, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by HookUPcom

55 at 1:10, nice traffic. Good job.

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Let's see if it converts hehe

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09-10-2009, 09:53 PM

62k men

At 1:30 Free to Paid Ratio he'd have done 2066 sales
at Hookup, at $50 a sale ... $103,300.

He made $249k off it. No way would he have made more with you.

He converted 1:11 unique to free, and if you require them to confirm their email address, I bet you wouldn't hit that ratio with you.

Why would he want less money to promote you?
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09-10-2009, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Janak

The metric I care about, as I've said, is this one:

How much I get from traffic - How much I spend to generate the traffic = ???

GIO have produced the best result from this equation from any of the sites I've tried (LOTS)on a CPC basis, including yours.

that's been my line for years - money in money out.

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09-10-2009, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Varius

I agree, but I also think you are looking at the stats the wrong way, too.

Conversion doesn't matter! What matters is RPC (Revenue Per Click).

When you look at the variables, some dating sites will have a better click to free ratio, some will have a better free to paid ratio, some will convert worse but their per sale is higher or retention length is longer; and so on.

The only fair way to compare dating programs (or pretty much any program for that matter) is if I send program X 10,000 clicks and I send program Y 10,000 clicks (of the same quality of course) - who makes me more money ??

An extra note especially for dating programs is, different programs count "free profiles" differently. Some credit it when a basic profile is filled out, others you must confirm the email first, others require a multiple page profile. Thus it's really not the same comparison at all.

Actually what ultimately matters is his profit. How much did it cost him to generate the traffic and how much was his check. Everything else I could care less about. I want to know what my costs are and what I made.

Anyone else make 50% - 100% profit from paid banner spots and gallery listings? Not one here or there but average across all of your ad buys? That's the part I find most amazing. Especially for an affiliate who doesn't nearly have the leverage and profit margin to work with that the site owners do with their inhouse traffic.

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09-10-2009, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by bbwebmaster

He has got a very nice stats that make me this ↓

And there are not many things that can do this to me I say, congrats to him!

snip the foreskin!!! LOL

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