Former KKK leader (David Duke) arrested in Prague

[brn2h8]

PRAGUE (AP) -- Former Klan leader David Duke has been detained by police in the Czech Republic on suspicion of denying the Holocaust...

The denial is a crime that is punishable by up to three years in Czech prisons...

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[GatorB]

yeah thought police. Remind me not to go to the Czech Republic. They probably throw you in prison for refusing to get peed and shit on durring sex.

[TurboAngel]

I'm at a loss for words.

[Phil]

Now thats a democracy.

[Fletch XXX]

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Are you kidding me? he is arrested for DENYING THE HOLOCAUST?

he is a citizen of my state, its amazing at the length they will go to make you accept their way of thinking.

I do not agrewe with David Duke or the KKK, however, i do not think people should be imprisoned for not beliving something.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Don't go to another country and break their laws even if you don't agree with them and expect to walk away.

I don't agree with thought police at all but I do understand why countries that were directly involved with the holocaust came to have similar laws.

[Ozarkz]

Black power.

[Fletch XXX]

Don't go to another country and break their laws even if you don't agree with them and expect to walk away.

I don't agree with thought police at all but I do understand why countries that were directly involved with the holocaust came to have similar laws.

youve been out of America too long, you have forgotten what freedom of thought it. You are either against this, or you support it. No middle ground when you arrest and take away a persons freedom over personal beliefs.

[Sly]

Don't go to another country and break their laws even if you don't agree with them and expect to walk away.

I don't agree with thought police at all but I do understand why countries that were directly involved with the holocaust came to have similar laws.

I think they are old laws though. They were created as drastic radical laws to change the public opinion... I think we had a similar thing in the United States with a few different laws that we have. As time goes on and things "normalize", those laws need to be taken off the books... not that I agree with the implementation from the start but can understand how that fear can create such laws.

[Pixelbucks Eric]

Are you kidding me? he is arrested for DENYING THE HOLOCAUST?

he is a citizen of my state, its amazing at the length they will go to make you accept their way of thinking.

I do not agrewe with David Duke or the KKK, however, i do not think people should be imprisoned for not beliving something.

lolololol you don't have to BELIEVE in the holocaust, the fucking FACTS are fucking there. Yes, I use fucking excesively because it's just plain dumb.

[Fletch XXX]

Allow me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_thought

To deny a person's freedom of thought is to deny what can be considered one's most basic freedom; to think for one's self.

[Sly]

youve been out of America too long, you have forgotten what freedom of thought it. You are either against this, or you support it. No middle ground when you arrest and take away a persons freedom over personal beliefs.

No, she is right. You can't be a guest of another country and expect your country's laws to apply. I cannot go to Saudi Arabia and drink alcohol... I just can't, whether I think that's my freedom or not.

Not that I think he should have been arrested... I believe Germany has a similar law.

[Fletch XXX]

No, she is right. You can't be a guest of another country and expect your country's laws to apply. I cannot go to Saudi Arabia and drink alcohol... I just can't, whether I think that's my freedom or not.

No one in this thread is wrong or right, I said she forgot what FREEDOM OF THOUGHT is.

He did not commit a crime, he commited a thought crime.

[Sarah_Jayne]

I think they are old laws though. They were created as drastic radical laws to change the public opinion... I think we had a similar thing in the United States with a few different laws that we have. As time goes on and things "normalize", those laws need to be taken off the books... not that I agree with the implementation from the start but can understand how that fear can create such laws.

They are 'old' but they are still enforced and really in historical terms the holocaust was not that long ago and some of those that were the reason they were created are still alive. Germany has a similar law that was put there to fight against the remains of the Nazis. Again, I don't agree with jailing somebody for a thought or even expressing pretty horrid ideas. I just get how they came to be on the books. I am sure that over time they may very well be removed but I am also sure that people like Duke know when they go to a country like this they know that law is enforced. Almost like poking a dog with a stick.

[Fletch XXX]

No, she is right. You can't be a guest of another country and expect your country's laws to apply. I cannot go to Saudi Arabia and drink alcohol... I just can't, whether I think that's my freedom or not.

Not that I think he should have been arrested... I believe Germany has a similar law.

In addition, your example is skewed, how about we change it to fit a thought crime pattern?

How about this, you THINk about drinking alcohol in Saudi Arabia then you get arrested. Its okay to think about beer in America, think about it in Saudia Arabia, and bam arrested for THOUGHT CRIME?

He didnt consume alcohol, or smuggle alcohol in. He just THOUGHT about it.

[Sly]

In addition, your example is skewed, how about we change it to fit a thought crime pattern?

How about this, you THINk about drinking alcohol in Saudi Arabia then you get arrested. Its okay to think about beer in America, think about it in Saudia Arabia, and bam arrested for THOUGHT CRIME?

He didnt consume alcohol, or smuggle alcohol in. He just THOUGHT about it.

Okay so then we need to find out if he was arrested simply because he was there and had particular opinions or if he was arrested because he was there to promote a book that supported particular opinions. If he was just there saying hello... then sure, not a fair comparison. If he was there promoting a book, that's a fair comparison.

[Ozarkz]

Does Fletch ever shut up?

[Sarah_Jayne]

youve been out of America too long, you have forgotten what freedom of thought it. You are either against this, or you support it. No middle ground when you arrest and take away a persons freedom over personal beliefs.

I was not defending the law only saying that you can't go to somebody else's country and break their laws and expect to be immune because it isn't the law in your home country.

I also wasn't saying I agree with that law but that I historically understand why it came to be on that *particular* countries books.

Heck, I even support the right for the guys in the masques in London to spew their hatred because I agree with freedom of thought and expression. You just can't think that you are protected from the laws of another country when you visit it. Ask the American kid in Singapore all those years ago that got his ass beaten.

[GatorB]

No, she is right. You can't be a guest of another country and expect your country's laws to apply. I cannot go to Saudi Arabia and drink alcohol... I just can't, whether I think that's my freedom or not.

Not that I think he should have been arrested... I believe Germany has a similar law.

So if you went to another country and the law was the leader of the village gets to rape your wife you're cool with that right?

[Fletch XXX]

Okay so then we need to find out if he was arrested simply because he was there and had particular opinions or if he was arrested because he was there to promote a book that supported particular opinions. If he was just there saying hello... then sure, not a fair comparison. If he was there promoting a book, that's a fair comparison.

They wanted to hang Thomas Paine too, and ever since reading the Paine story, I have chosen to always fight for the book writers, no matter the subject matter.

Hate him all you want, the moment you support locking people up for books, you are a nazi yourself.

I think it no coincidence, Thomas Paine was convicted of libel against the crown for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_Man

Perhaps many need to reread Paine's great works.,

[$5 submissions]

In addition, your example is skewed, how about we change it to fit a thought crime pattern?

How about this, you THINk about drinking alcohol in Saudi Arabia then you get arrested. Its okay to think about beer in America, think about it in Saudia Arabia, and bam arrested for THOUGHT CRIME?

He didnt consume alcohol, or smuggle alcohol in. He just THOUGHT about it.

Most jurisdictions require an ACT (paired with a mental component--INTENT) to judicially find criminal guilt. Act + Intent. In your scenario, the intent is there but no act, so no crime. This pairing of elements is key in a criminal case because the PUNISHMENT varies. First Degree murder, for example, has a different intent factor than manslaughter although both crimes involve the same act.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Okay so then we need to find out if he was arrested simply because he was there and had particular opinions or if he was arrested because he was there to promote a book that supported particular opinions. If he was just there saying hello... then sure, not a fair comparison. If he was there promoting a book, that's a fair comparison.

Right..if he entered the country and was arrested because he once wrote something in a book then that is clearly wrong no matter what. If he was promoting that book in the country or made any sort of public statement about his belief then he should have known that would get him in trouble. It doesn't matter if I agree with the law (again I don't at all) but I don't think some governments would care if I didn't agree with their requirements to cover my face either. I would still get the punishment.

[Sly]

So if you went to another country and the law was the leader of the village gets to rape your wife you're cool with that right?

Why would I go to a country where it's the law for the leader of the village to rape my wife?

[brn2h8]

The story indicates that he was arrested over statements in his book.

A police spokesman says the book includes a denial of the Holocaust.

OTHER COUNTRIES WITH LAWS AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL
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Austria
Belgium
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Israel
Lithuania
Poland
Slovakia
Switzerland

[Sly]

They wanted to hang Thomas Paine too, and ever since reading the Paine story, I have chosen to always fight for the book writers, no matter the subject matter.

Hate him all you want, the moment you support locking people up for books, you are a nazi yourself.

I think it no coincidence, Thomas Paine was convicted of libel against the crown for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_Man

Perhaps many need to reread Paine's great works.,

Have you picked up drinking again?

[_Richard_]

dont' think they really need much reason to arrest that guy

[$5 submissions]

In this case, there's an ACT (a book) to go along with the THOUGHT so the criminal case goes forward. They are not banning the THOUGHT exclusively. There has to be an ACT

[brn2h8]

That's like being arrested because you don't believe in the tooth fairy.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Duke went there at the invitation of neo-Nazis to promote the Czech translation of a book he wrote.

I won't even claim to know Czech law but as holocaust denial is illegal there and the book includes the denial then would that book be illegal? If so, he is there to promote an illegal book.

Probably invited by the neo-Nazis to stick a finger up to their government and their government answered.

[Fletch XXX]

Have you picked up drinking again?

Instead of discussing the topic you resort to this? What does this have to do with anything?

I do not consume alcohol any longer, its been almost 4 years. I am 100% clean and sober, no drugs, no alcohol.

But since you chose to take this thread into this direction, you can continue it without me. This is exactly why I do not post much here anymore... I will excuse myself, as there are many, many other things I could be doing.

I thought the topic was energizeing enough to take part in a good heated thread, but as usually, the intelligence quickly deteriorates into this type of personal stuff.

Good day Sly.

[Huggles]

Denying it shouldn't be illegal. Thoughts and free speech should not be illegal no matter how ridiculous the speech is.

[SonOfaBeach]

David Duke's a dumbass

[mozadek]

David Duke's a dumbass

lol, looks like those comics in hustler.

[Pics Traffic]

Right..if he entered the country and was arrested because he once wrote something in a book then that is clearly wrong no matter what. If he was promoting that book in the country or made any sort of public statement about his belief then he should have known that would get him in trouble. It doesn't matter if I agree with the law (again I don't at all) but I don't think some governments would care if I didn't agree with their requirements to cover my face either. I would still get the punishment.

wtf? am I supposed to learn every country's laws? I could go to Egypt and get arrested for dealing porn? You're out of your fucking mind. Don't go to Russia Sarah..

[Oracle Porn]

Instead of discussing the topic you resort to this? What does this have to do with anything?

I do not consume alcohol any longer, its been almost 4 years. I am 100% clean and sober, no drugs, no alcohol.

But since you chose to take this thread into this direction, you can continue it without me. This is exactly why I do not post much here anymore... I will excuse myself, as there are many, many other things I could be doing.

I thought the topic was energizeing enough to take part in a good heated thread, but as usually, the intelligence quickly deteriorates into this type of personal stuff.

Good day Sly.

dont let the door hit your ass on the way out

[Sarah_Jayne]

wtf? am I supposed to learn every country's laws? I could go to Egypt and get arrested for dealing porn? You're out of your fucking mind. Don't go to Russia Sarah..

So if somebody comes to the States and breaks a law that isn't a law in their country that would be okay?

Yes, I believe part of being a tourist or traveling to another country is learning the basics of that country's laws.

If you went to a country where it is illegal to sell porn and you sold porn there then yeah don't get shocked if you get in trouble. If you are arrested because once somewhere in your life you sold porn but never in that country then that is a different matter.

[brn2h8]

The Czech PM is in Israel today saying how they will strengthen their ties together.

Coincidence???

Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolánek met with President Shimon Peres in Jerusalem on Friday, and reiterated his country's commitment to strengthening ties between Israel and the European Union.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

[theking]

Instead of discussing the topic you resort to this? What does this have to do with anything?

I do not consume alcohol any longer, its been almost 4 years. I am 100% clean and sober, no drugs, no alcohol.

But since you chose to take this thread into this direction, you can continue it without me. This is exactly why I do not post much here anymore... I will excuse myself, as there are many, many other things I could be doing.

I thought the topic was energizeing enough to take part in a good heated thread, but as usually, the intelligence quickly deteriorates into this type of personal stuff.

Good day Sly.

Have you quit painting your nails also?

[TisMe]

There is a difference between thinking something and speaking in public pushing an agenda of hate.

Denying the Holocaust over there is similar to a hate crime here.

Much worse than the laws over there may be is that a bunch of Americans once elected this hate-monger to public office.

[Sly]

Instead of discussing the topic you resort to this? What does this have to do with anything?

I do not consume alcohol any longer, its been almost 4 years. I am 100% clean and sober, no drugs, no alcohol.

But since you chose to take this thread into this direction, you can continue it without me. This is exactly why I do not post much here anymore... I will excuse myself, as there are many, many other things I could be doing.

I thought the topic was energizeing enough to take part in a good heated thread, but as usually, the intelligence quickly deteriorates into this type of personal stuff.

Good day Sly.

I was discussing the topic. You were quoting me, practically ignoring what I said, and continued to go off on a rant about book burning and Nazis.

I will spell it out clearly for you. I AGREE WITH YOU.

Don't quote one of my replies and then continue rambling on about Nazis as if I disagree with you about something.

[collegeboobies]

thats pretty crazy

[Pleasurepays]

"thought police"

fucking retards. obviously, he's not being arrested for "thinking" about something.

[2012]

[Denny]

Don't go to another country and break their laws even if you don't agree with them and expect to walk away.

I don't agree with thought police at all but I do understand why countries that were directly involved with the holocaust came to have similar laws.

[brn2h8]

This is pretty dangerous territory. On April 16th another 'Holocaust denier' was convicted in Australia for publishing material on the Internet "of an anti-Semitic and/or revisionist nature" which denies, approves of, or plays down the Holocaust.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...Ql-fnlCKWZ-aZA

[GatorB]

Why would I go to a country where it's the law for the leader of the village to rape my wife?

Maybe you weren't aware of the law before you got there.

[lofasz]

That's funny

The story indicates that he was arrested over statements in his book.



OTHER COUNTRIES WITH LAWS AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL
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Austria
Belgium
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Israel
Lithuania
Poland
Slovakia
Switzerland

It's also the list of the most fucked up countries in the world.

[GatorB]

Two lessons to be learned here. 1st. The constitution is about as useful as toilet paper in another country. 2. When you get an invitation to a liberal country and your politics are considered racist you're being set up.

sorry but if a country puts in your in prison for thought then it's not liberal.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Maybe you weren't aware of the law before you got there.

Since when has ignorance been a legal defence?

Clearly that law you would have described is very extreme but then so are some of the actual laws governing women in some countries. Saying that you can't expect to break a countries laws and not get in trouble in that country is not the same as saying those laws are right.

[Sarah_Jayne]

sorry but if a country puts in your in prison for thought then it's not liberal.

If you wrote down or spoke that thought it is no longer just a 'thought'.