Advertisers payments should fund the tube owner buying more licensed videos.

So you bought spots on tube sites and from this you found out how much tube sites make? ok

That's easy! Here you go...

TGPs - Annual whampum
Link Lists - Eleventy seven p/month
Tubes - A buck three eighty weekly

Oh, baited breath... because of the fish avatar? Nice fish reference! If I wasn't making the whole thing up, it would have been missed.

Thank you, thank you!

dude, you know tube sites don't make any serious money, they are not home runs by any means

and the more there are the worse it will get

Seems like you are the one not making any money, the worse it will get. LOL. People like you crack me up. You sit around complaining about how bad things are and you never adapt, you spend all your time and energy bitching and crying instead of changing to a changing market place. The more there are the worse it will get for dinosaurs yes.

I am going to jump ahead of all you fuckers!

I am developing a larger and better free content site, that offers four times the amount of free stuff any of these old-fashioned, flash-in-the-pan tube sites can ever deliver.

Just a two word hint for now: Cube Site

More soon....

weren't you the one trying to sell off your tube sites a few months ago?

what is your definition of adapt? give away full length videos to make doo doo?

you crack me up :2 cents:

There's lots of available tube traffic at ProTraffic. Low prices too!

ADAPT: [uh-dapt] ? verb, a-dapt; To spend one's time and resources developing a product for profit, while watching in amazement as your competitors distribute a very similar product at no charge.

Should I use it in a sentence?

So I wish sponsors always have more full length movies than tubes. Otherwise who wanna buy memberships if he can watch those movies on other tubes? LOL

Um no I was not trying to sell off my tube sites. Wrong person DUDE. You crack me up too. Your just pissed because your world is going down the toilet. So your reaction is to spend all day on GFY bitching about how tube sites are so evil. Not to mention how you think you know everything about tube sites cause you placed a banner add on one. What a joke you are dude.

If your gonna spam be a little more creative dude.

your assuming alot there bro

my world is not going down the toilet
i do not spend all day on gfy
i personally have never placed a banner add on one

sounds like you are the one that's on edge

fight for what you believe in, believe in what you fight for

i'll bump the thread where you were selling your tube sites (if i can find it)

Tube Sock: A one-size-fits-all sock, having a plain tubular shape rather than one designed to match the contours of the foot.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

Oh yeah!

tube sites make money whenever people spend their whole day arguing about them on gfy instead of competing with them.

I wonder what will we call if illegal tubes using their own shot full length videos? Why not to call illegal tubes as free full length porn tubes? It's a game for rich people,so when u losing money like google's youtube,u wont ever running such sites! So noone makes money here,they just make money to pay bills. Anyone making big money from free full length porn tubes, u can work for google. They r richer than anyone of this board! lol

how the fuck do you come to that conclusion
you can't pirate dating (well you can but it called human trafficing :winkwink:)

well yes and no
that was a mainstream example that people can easily get their mind around

the key is the prespective you look at your content.

Figure out a way to make money, no matter who uses your content/ how they use it. Even if they don't pay you a dime directly you make money indirectly from their actions.

product placement is just one example of 16 we came up with.

Bias alert: those 16 are dependent on branding bugs. I am sure other people can figure out their own.

again, not talking about pirating it, just turning the table

right now one is profiting from the other

i'm saying switching that would make more sense and money

give away free cams and dating to sell memberships

does everything you do revolve around stealing?

Free porn allows you to make a larger percentage from a smaller total cash pool. That should not surprise anyone. It also should not surprise anyone that more free porn is needed to maintain your percentage while at the same time it contributes to the continued shrinkage of the overall cash pool.

yes, you can earn .000000001% of a smaller cash pool

you'll eventually earn .00000000001% of an even smaller cash pool

so you'll give more away and try to get back to what you used to earn which continues the spiraling whirlpool down the drain.


On the other hand, you could instead earn a slightly smaller percentage and contribute to increasing the size of the overall cash pool. Which over time means a larger, not smaller, earning capacity.

The problem is that there will always be people willing to sell off the future for fast cash now... and their shortsighted decisions affect the long term health of the market we are all in.

Hey, don't confuse everyone with logic. We are all quite content battling it out in the abstract.

Well remember, the comment he was replying to was made in jest....but, even if/when it comes to that, as I'm sure it will....we're not talking about a Tube producing ALL of it's content.
One of the features that attracts users to tubes is the ability to upload their own movies, so going 100% exclusive, even if possible, would be sub-optimal.
I was just pointing out that it's not out of the realm of possibility that tubes will commission shoots with girls wearing t-shirts, hats, panties, etc all with their logos, and feature these shoots prominently throughout the site.

A good quality exclusive shoot costs about 2K. From what I hear the bigger tubes are spending 6 figures a month on hosting, so the idea that they can't afford content is kind of silly.

Thanks for clearing that up. And here I thought BV was just talking out of his ass and had no idea what TGPs, Link Lists, or Tubes made because he's never owned one. I thought he was just assuming they made no or very little money because he doesn't understand them.

Thanks for proving me wrong.

Ok but you have to admit that there are huge differences between something like American Idol which has probably the biggest back end of any show in history, and something like porn which is produced for the explicit purpose of selling copies of the production.

Also, remember most of the people who post here don't own any content (exclusively...they own licenses but no content) and they're wondering how they fit into this future you envision, since all they've really been to this point is middle men standing between the person buying porn and the person selling it.

oops... my bad. :winkwink:

wal-mart didn't give a shit about destroying a huge section of their market then dominating it. neither do the companies that run the big tubes. they will wipe out most of the competition - legally - and go from there.

for so-called capitalists you sure do lots of whining and crying.

Videosz comes to mind here....

Please do, at one time I entertained making and selling tube sites, but at no time whatsoever did i try to "sell off my tube sites" nor would i sell them off now. They are making me a good profit

Videoz converts extremely well on tube sites.

Look bottom line as i see it mega sites and sub niches are always gonna get signups no matter what. The whole point of this thread is that you guys bitching about tubes does nothing whatsoever. They are here they are not going anwhere. If you can't beat them join them, like i said find other products to sell instead of generic porn site memberships. If memberships to porn sites are not selling promote other products. Use the videos to get surfers to your site where you can advertise other products, is it that too complicated to understand? Big tube sites are already doing this with dating and cams. Can they afford to buy content and still make a profit? HELL YES. Will this evolution still fund new shooting? HELL YES.

That's slightly BS..

You are saying all the sponsors cared about is $$$ and let webmasters do whatever they wanted as long as they brought in the cash... They only allowed special circumstances for BIG, bro/whale webmasters on the RARE occasion. NOTHING in comparison to what is being done with Illegal tubes.

Just like if you opened up a Tube site tomorrow and said HEY Brazzers, Twistys, etc.. Give me 1000 15 - 30 minute clips..

They'd laugh at you. But maybe if your traffic is gold and you are a bro they might give you 1 a week or 1 a month.. Etc.. Like they have been doing today with the really popular illegal tubes.

You also claim that the sites that give away MORE FREE CONTENT are converting better.

So why couldn't they afford their hosting bill if their sales were soo high?

The fact is these sites didn't exist.. Nobody was giving away free content willy nilly.. Like the Illegal tubes are.. Programs did not allow it..

Im not nor have I ever bitched about tubes. I was actually hinting that some big tubes push videosz so they must make $$$. I personally havent tried them yet but I do know that tubes push them amongst other products.

What are these "tubes" you speak of?

150 tube moneys

:2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

It is simply amazing most of you who are into illegal tubes don't even realize you are cannibalizing your profits. Fucking retards.

You can totally pirate dating. I could pay someone right now to build a script that scrapes profiles from any dating site I want. In fact, I'm surprised someone hasn't done it yet. You could do it for under $10K. Then just open a free adult dating site and upsell cams.

It's all good man. I'm just saying that despite all the free movies on tube sites send a surfer to videoz from a tube site and the conversions are good. Mega sites and sub niche sites seem to do really good with tube traffic.

well if you are a middleman you are screwed, affiliates who just push traffic to get signup are dead meat.

That being said use branding bugs internally to increase retention (by advertising/upselling non pirateable content/benefits) would be the most effective way for an affiliate based paysite to survive.

Affiliates should be looking for sites which do this, because while there conversion ratios may be getting worse, the retention levels will increase and therefore balance out.

http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?...40214&from=rss
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scraper you just talked about

= your ass in jail/facing major fines.

Dude talking to you is like trying to nail jello to the wall.

You really and truly have no idea what you're talking about. When it comes to how things are today, or how things were 2, 5, and 8 years ago, you're clueless.

Sponsors don't control shit. They pay for joins. That's all.

They have always kowtowed to the wants and needs of the people who had the traffic.

Period.

There were some who refused to take TGP traffic at one time. Said they were ruining the industry by giving away free content. They even offered higher payouts to people with TGP2 traffic.
All of those sponsors are gone now.

The ones who are still around, are the ones who catered to the needs of the big traffic sites of the time.

As for the second part of your misguided statement.....I'm not the one who said "sites that give away MORE FREE CONTENT are converting better", that was Choker.
I don't have access to his numbers so I can't say one way or another.

Yes it would appear that the affiliate model is going to continue to be give away more to make less.
However, what most people don't realize is that's how it's always been.

People have selective memory, kind of like parents talking about "My mother never would have put up with this shit" or "I had respect for my elders when I was your age"......every new group of people trying to break into this business fucks things up for the group that got here right before them.

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Hey can you point me towards some reading material vis a vis scraping and safe harbor?

I googled it but all I come up with is a bunch of people bitching about copied blog posts.

Thank God nobody in adult breaks the law to make a profit or that could be a real problem :1orglaugh

one of the tube guys on gfy gets it at $3 a mbps