You should be ashamed as an American that you don't understand your own constitution. The 4th amendment protects you from unreasonable search and seizure.

Driving down a public road way in an area that has an ongoing issues of specific types of 'crime' would fall under what is currently considered reasonable search. Thank paranoia and the patriot act. Especially if the person refused access to his/her vehicle and was not cooperating by answering questions asked, which he openly admitted that he did.

He got smacked down because he fought the law, and the law won.

many of us leave and lead a better, healthier life...who wants to worry about state inspection stickers, state taxes on your car, home owners insurance, pedestrian insurance, random searches because of your ethnicity....I left that shit behind, way behind, i'm pretty worry free where i live, it's not the best in terms of living conditions but it improves bit by bit.. i'd rather live in 2nd rate country with more rights than a 1st rate with close to no rights, ever seen 'Idiocracy'? Now it's becoming a reality....

Posting false accusations, especially of this type are grounds for immediate banning!

I'm pretty sure that's the last we'll be seeing of you.

so? I'll just make a new nickname :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I bet the guy had seen this YouTube video where the driver was allowed to leave without a search after giving the BP shit for almost a half an hour and thought he would try the same thing.

children, children..

A second rate country that is an island. Sounds like prison to me. :2 cents:

I would have accidentally discharged my .44 after 10 minutes of that asshole.

your fuckin crazy illegals have raped my state Arizona:mad:

Not only are you a stupid fuck but a dangerously ignorant one.

While I agree people have to stand up for their rights, if a COP with GUN asks to search my car, I'm going to say YES SIR HELP YOURSELF.

Cops deal with gun-carrying crazies all day long. They're jumpy as hell and they don't need people making their jobs any harder.

What happened to this guy was not worth his protest. Maybe what he could have done is accept the search and then filed a complaint later. At least he wouldn't have been beaten up.

You sad fucking worthless hypocrite Splum.

If that had been a hippy getting a beat down from a border patrol agent you would have been cheering on the agent and not given a fuck about the hippys civil liberties.

Now you're feigning outrage because some mouthy piece of shit baptist preacher with his mouth all full of Jesus' cock gets his comeuppance. I hope I see more of this. You're all in favor of police brutality when it's those you don't like on the receiving end of the brutality but when a fellow piece of shit conservative gets beaten like a little bitch you act all outraged. Frankly bigoted Christians and conservatives in general need a taste of their own iron fist. I think it's hilarious. I hope conservatives live the next eight years - and beyond - in sheer terror. Nobody deserves it more than they do. Bring on the Christian persecution. I'll be leading the fucking charge.

Civil war? :1orglaugh You're too much of a pussy to fight for anything you fat lazy sack of shit. The day will never come when you pick up a gun and fight for anything. You're nothing but an internet coward with a big mouth. I hope the next beatdown is on your fasty white fat conservative American ass. :thumbsup

Sort of like the golden cage you live in that people like you have allowed it to become.

That statement goes to show how little you know about the law.

Sounds more like he's at an audition of some type. But the shirt makes him look legit.

How many of you have driven that road? I have, lots of times, I have also driven the road to phoenix from Nogales Mexico. The pasture was in the wrong. The questions they ask, if they even ask you at all, what country are you a citizen of, did you bring anything back with you from mexico and then your on your way... the pasture said he refused to answer any of their questions, even before they brought the dog up.

they have a job to do, if he would have simply answered their question they would have waved him on... its not a big deal.....but he wanted to be an activist.

and about rights to have your car searched... any of you driven accross hoover dam in the last few years... they stop you long before you get to the dam and if your in a truck or pulling a trailer they will have you open it up so they can see what you have.

so ya this guy got what he asked for. The border patrol is there for a reason, let them do their job, it only takes a few seconds.... or get treated like a bitch...

Educate us . . . please.

I am just amazed that Obama has gotten border patrol agents their own special phone number that instantly rings him in such situations and that he has the time to oversee each call in.

BP: Sir, sorry to bother you. We have a dude not obeying us at a checkpoint.
Obama: Beat his ass.
BP: Beat his ass sir? What about his rights?
Obama: What part of beat his ass do you not understand. I do not have time for this shit, I am busy making a new world order, a north American union, socializing the US, covering up all of this 9/11 shit Bush left me, and dealing with a new puppy. BEAT HIS ASS!
BP: Yes sir.
Click.

It's legit...
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/ce...5uY8nZXHQ.cspx
http://mfile.akamai.com/25580/wmv/vo...08255.200k.asx
http://www.kpho.com/news/19207871/detail.html

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Best part is, is someone stole Splum's car tonight, guess who he would call ?? Yup, that's right, the police... :1orglaugh

From the ACLU

http://www.bullnotbull.com/img2009/c...ution-free.gif

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/a...nfreezone.html

More from the ACLU:

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/37293res20081022.html

So I just want to make sure I have this correctly. He stops at a border patrol checkpoint and refuses to answer their questions. Fine. That is his right. He cooperates, gets out of the car and they search the car (I imagine if he bought $200 worth of tile and was hauling it in a toyota corolla the trunk may have looked like it had something heavy in it, but I am just speculating here.) So they search the car and obviously they found nothing and you can argue day and night about why they searched it. We were not there and we are only getting his side of the story. So we can assume they has some reason to question him and were not just deciding the bust this particular guys balls.

So after the search and he is released he now is worried they are going to pull him over and jump him when he goes to the store or to work? Had this happened before? I think he is being a little dramatic for the camera here.

I guess in the end you have to make a decision. You can either just forget it and let anyone that wants in or knows the magic words come across the border or you can try to do something about stopping it. If you choose to do something about it eventually you are going to piss some people off and some people who are guilty of nothing are going to wrongly be searched and will not be happy about it.

It is not an easy situation. I personally would rather see strict border control and less illegals than a more relaxed border patrol and more illegals.

Maybe there is a way that you can have it both ways and we can stop the illegals from getting into the country while having minimal border patrol, but as off today that is not a reality.

So you agree there should be a 100 mile wide "Constitution Free" border zone around the "external boundary" of the United States where citizens have no constitutional rights and they can be stopped, told to prove their citizenship and searched at any time and for any reason?

It's amazing how this thread started to become a fight from just post 4 on. Haha i love this place.

The 100 mile border I am not so much against. As I said in a previous post in this thread people sneak into this country in a lot of ways. Many of those ways have no border patrol, fences or checkpoints there to stop them. So they put those checkpoints and patrols in area they feel are going to get the largest amount of illegal traffic and use those as a "backup" of sorts. So I have no problem with the border patrol operating 100 miles away from a border.

As for constitutional free zone, I don't see it. I live in one of these constitutional free zones. I have my entire life. I have never been stopped. I don't know anyone who has. I have never so much as seen a border checkpoint. I'm sure much of it is because I don't live near a land border, just a water border, but I do live in an area that has a large population of illegals. The only cases I ever hear of people getting hassled are the ones who act a little strange and refuse to answer a few questions.

Take this guy in this new movie you posted. How would you have had the conversation go?
BP (border patrol):"Where you coming from?"
MAN:"Mexico, I was down there buying tile."
BP: "Are you a US citizen?"
MAN:"Yes."
BP: "Can I see your ID?"
MAN: "Sure?" and hands it to him.
BP:" Can I look in your trunk?"
MAN:"No."
BP:"Ok, have a nice day."

And the guy drives off.

Sound good?

If that is going to be how it works, then why bother having it? Anyone can get a decent looking fake ID on the internet.

These checkpoints have thousands of people come through them every day. These guys don't have time to just hassle people randomly because they are bored. My belief is that they see something they feel is a little suspicious and they talk to the person. If the person acts in a suspicious way then they ask to look in the car. If they are denied they then determine if they have reasonable cause to look. If they do, then they look. It is not a perfect system by any means, but I don't see an alternative if you want to stop the flood of illegals coming into this country.

How would you rather it work?

Love to. When you enter an airport screening area, you agree to subject your possessions and yourself to search if you wish to board a plane. You can still refuse but then you will not be allowed to board the plane.

Driving is a priviledge and when you receive a license, you agree to obeying all traffic regulations. Observing and stopping at checkpoints are part of the traffic regulations. However, that does NOT mean you agree to search of your vehicle without probable cause and give up your 4th amendment right, which protects you against unreasonable search and seizure.

In the 2nd video, the one that you commented that you would have 'automatically discharged your .44', the driver knew the law and his rights, that's why he beat those brainless goon border patrols.

The winning argument, or rather the argument that would have held the most water, for the border patrol could be something like this:

Sir, 98% of the people passing through here roll down their windows and answer questions in a non-defensive manner. Your behavior is far different, therefore, it is raising suspicion and that gives us probable cause.

Instead, the idiot at one point said something like 'Well you could be a terrorist' which made him look like the fool that he is.


The fact is we need more people like this that understand the law and know their rights to counterbalance the agregious abuse of power that some law enforcement perpetuates. People like baddog really are puzzling because they blindly support this abuse of power and that erodes civil liberties, even their own.


As for the pastor, I don't have a definitive opinion as to what happened because he was unfortunate to not have had a camera. However, even if 80% of what he says is true, to cut up the guy's face like that is excessive force no matter how you slice it. And believe me, if the guy in the 2nd video didn't have a camera, that shit would have gone much differently.

This is the way the government wants you thinking, that they are protecting us from evil and they have now convinced many that that protection must come at the cost of wiping away our rights and civil liberties.

And Ethersync is right in his post and I already layed out the possible ramifications previously of where this is heading that I bet not a single person read or wanted to acknowledge:
The ACLU is right, if this thing doesn't get stopped that map of theirs will go from:
http://www.bullnotbull.com/img2009/c...ution-free.gif

to this:
http://www.tnacash.com/examples/borders.gif

and you won't be able to leave your neighborhood without presenting papers and submitting to a search. All in the name of your "safety".

Of course no one will read this either... Maybe we deserve whatever happens to us.

1626 N Wilcox Ave
Hollywood, California


Yeah, right next to the Wilcox police station. OK.


http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sa...ns-to&resnum=1

Go to street level view.


Get a grip.

Good luck with that!

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Splum, you are both right, and wrong. POLICE cannot simply search your car whenever they feel like it. Police cannot detain you at all without a Reasonable, Articulatable Suspicion, and cannot search without Probably Cause.

However, Border patrol and customs agents can, whenever they want to, search you or your car, within 200 miles of the border.

This has been the case for decades, BTW. It has nothing to do with Bush.



Just FYI.


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To everyone who supports interstate checkpoints like I do, stop acting like a pussy running his mouth on gfy. The federal gov is massively in debt. They need patriotic Americans to donate untaxed income in order to build more checkpoints and hire more federal agents in order to make America safe from drugs and guns and mexicans and gangs and American traitors/terrorists.

How can patriotic Americans such as me donate money to the federal gov with my instructions to please build more checkpoints? Do we send donations to the IRS? What is the address for donations?

Id just like to say.... damn Im good another 1000+ page by the Splumster, bow down bitches.

Next all you idiots agreeing with the "second video" but not the "first video" crack me up because its the same guy ROFL - funny how perception is swayed when your hatred for religion comes out.
https://youtube.com/profile?user=...=videos&sort=d

Third here is more follow up
http://www.kswt.com/Global/story.asp...av=menu613_2_8

Fourth, you are all a bunch of pussys for not standing up to your rights.

Maybe you should move to North Korea if that is the type of country you want to live in.

Why move to North Korea when I can live near a US checkpoint and be safe from chinks and spics?

Ahhh, a racist. So your opinion doesn't count then. If I had known that I wouldn't have even replied to you. Carry on.

If you ever feel like standing up for your rights on I-19 or Highway 286 could you please let me know ahead of time? I'll be right behind you.

wtf are you kidding me dude? the guy in the video wanted to be an asshole and he got what he deserved. yes he has the right not to be search but, that does not mean you're free to go. what type of bullshit is that, if that was the case then every drug dealer and criminal would deny search and be on there way.

he was just being an asshole just let them do the search if you have nothing to hide. everyone complains about border security and check points but when they have to be search of its unamerican and not fair... wtf what type of two faced bullshit is that.