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Marcus · 11-23-2002, 10:32 PM

Do you get feedback from members about the plugin content?

Do you notice members stay around longer when youre using plugins?

freeadultcontent · 11-23-2002, 10:35 PM

After looking at about 50 paysites, the better question would be. Who uses anything but fucking plugin content?

marty · 11-23-2002, 10:45 PM

Nothing wrong with using plugin content.

Here's a great story site in case you're interested PluginStories.

AM Jeff · 11-23-2002, 11:09 PM

Plugin Content is good filler type.

I use them very seldom...but I would NEVER use them for my main content.

The sites that do. Well...they won't retain members worth a shit.

Mogul · 11-24-2002, 12:50 AM

Yea, it is good for filler.

You really want exclusive content as your main though.

I personally do not use plugs as I have in the past but one thing I always hated was slow servers. If the plug's server(s) suck, then my members get pissed.

Mogul
Mogul Networks Inc.

3Xguru · 11-24-2002, 03:06 AM

What's wrong with using plugin content?

Mutt · 11-24-2002, 04:07 AM

there's nothing wrong with using plugin content.
it's depending on nothing else but plugin content that could make a difference.

many surfers, the ones who join paysites, have been online now for up to 5 or 6 years, probably joined 10 or more sites.

surfer Bob joins TenderTeens.com , he sees a bunch of photogalleries from David Lace, Matrix etc and then a bunch of teen oriented and other plugins from companies like Holio and Webmaster Paradise. He decides to leave after a couple of months.

So he's surfing and he feels like joining another teen site so he joins SweetassTeens.com cuz the tour looks good. He surfs on into the members area and there before him is some very familiar
photos and again the same plugins. You think he's going to stick around for 5 or 6 months?

This is all anecdotal stuff. There are people who will tell you it doesn't make a difference if you have exclusive content by the gobs or just a bunch of cheap plugins. Then there are people who run sites with exclusive quality content who will tell you they are still enjoying 5 and 6 member retention rates. Unless you do the test yourself you will never know.

So here would be a great test - take one of the niche sites run by one of the bigger affiliate programs, teens is easiest, swap out the members area full of nothing but plugins and replace it with the members area of a site like Amateur Teen Kingdom and then
see what happened. How much longer did the ATK members area retain a member if at all? Then figure out how much it would cost more to run an ATK type member area and see if it's worth it.

Some people say 'it costs more to 'buy' a new member than it does to keep an old member longer'.

i dunno. cuz nobody has ever shown me that they have done this test. it would be an expensive test to do which is probably why nobody has done it. Tho............. a site that is spending a whack of cash each month shooting its own content could do the test
cuz they would have to spend less money.

I've always wondered why Coke or Pepsi who spend ungodly amounts of money on advertising haven't ever decided to not advertise for like 3 or 4 months, just put all those millions of dollars in their pockets, surely people who are Coke drinkers aren't going to stop because suddenly there were no Coke ads for a few months. i guess the answer is that i am wrong, that they would lose customers if they stopped advertising.

BJ · 11-24-2002, 04:09 AM

titmowse · 11-24-2002, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
surely people who are Coke drinkers aren't going to stop because suddenly there were no Coke ads for a few months. i guess the answer is that i am wrong, that they would lose customers if they stopped advertising.

you are wrong. advertising WORKS.

Mutt · 11-24-2002, 04:22 AM

uh..............i said that in my last sentence. i used my powers of deduction

titmowse · 11-24-2002, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
uh..............i said that in my last sentence. i used my powers of deduction

well, i'm drunk and ready to fight

quiet · 11-24-2002, 04:42 AM

Mutt · 11-24-2002, 04:47 AM

well here's a guy who could actually do this test and produce some valid data.

quiet runs a site with exclusive content, i haven't joined it yet but i'm assuming he doesn't use much third party plugin content.

so quiet could keep his existing front end, send the same traffic to it for 6 months, just swap out his existing members area and replace it with Holio and all the other plugin movie feeds. Then he could see if it meant anything to his bottom line one way or the other.

titmowse · 11-24-2002, 04:50 AM

plugins are filler. they enhance a paysite. they are not meant to compose an entire member's area.

quiet · 11-24-2002, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
well here's a guy who could actually do this test and produce some valid data.

quiet runs a site with exclusive content, i haven't joined it yet but i'm assuming he doesn't use much third party plugin content.

so quiet could keep his existing front end, send the same traffic to it for 6 months, just swap out his existing members area and replace it with Holio and all the other plugin movie feeds. Then he could see if it meant anything to his bottom line one way or the other.

actually, no i couldn't. since a large amount of my traffic generation is based on free content which is used to sell the customer in the first place - i would be out of business in a day if i killed all the content and went to plugins.

free content MUST match member content (just a lot more of it/better quality).

Mutt · 11-24-2002, 05:07 AM

you're right, you're not a good candidate for that test.

Mutt · 11-24-2002, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by titmowse
plugins are filler. they enhance a paysite. they are not meant to compose an entire member's area.

um.......... i can find you at least 10 people who earn over a million a year who will disagree with that statement.

titmowse · 11-24-2002, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt

um.......... i can find you at least 10 people who earn over a million a year who will disagree with that statement.

cool. i won't doubt there are folks out there who go for the "same old thing".

PornBroker · 11-24-2002, 06:23 AM

we use it all...plug-ins which we switch around, exclusive that we purchase, exclusive that we produce ourselves etc...........

3Xguru · 11-24-2002, 07:15 AM

I guess I should make an Adult Games plugin soon...

Hef_2 · 11-24-2002, 07:53 AM

As much as I want to tell you that plug-ins are the bomb (since that is what I do)...I agree with the majority of the posts here.

Plug-In content is filler, albeit important filler, in your members area. A successful site will have a lot of exclusive or semi-exclusive content, and update that content many times in a week.

No matter what, you will either have a substantial monetary expense (if you purchase enough exclusive content to update frequently) or a substantial time expense (if you shoot your own) to keep your exclusive content...plus the time it takes to make the galleries...And as you are aware, time = big money in this biz.

So...you supplement your exclusive content with plug-ins. You back your expensive and time consuming 'exclusive content' updates off to once a week and allow the plug-ins to update your site daily.

With plug-in content, you can boost the amount of content, and the frequency of updates without sacrificing time.

There are two types of plug-in image content...Updated and Static.

Updated plug-ins are, as you may imagine, updated on a set schedule. For instance, I offer 4 galleries which are updated daily and 4 which are updated weekly and one monthly. Updated galleries enable you to add a large amount of filler to your site, but also keep the site fresh. They also allow you to make those "Updated Daily" claims in your tour without stretching the truth

Static plug-ins are galleries which are not updated on a set schedule. These galleries tend to be priced less than Updated Galleries. Static plug-ins typically have a broad variety of smaller, niche galleries which can be leased as a whole, or separately....check out <a href="http://www.ezplugcontent.com">E-Z Plugs Content's</a> (Randy's) site...He has many different galleries, and they are priced very affordadably (starting as low as $35).

NOTHING is a substitute for High Quality semi-exclusive or exclusive content when it comes to member retention.

See my sig for more information on my galleries...or hit me up on ICQ if you have any questions, or need more information about plug-ins in general.

Thanks,
Hef

notjoe · 11-24-2002, 08:13 AM

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1) 129+ DVDS (5-15 dvds added weekly)
2) 2100+ clips (each clip is 5-6 mins long)
3) The most well known stars in the industry
4) Ability to link directly to each DVD from your site.
5) Ability to link directly to each category from your site.
6) We do not cap our servers so they are always fast.
7) We have multiple mirror servers in a few different NOCS
8) Earn 5% recurring commission on DVD upsells off our plugin.

There are many many more things which we offer that we can talk more about if anyone is interested.

Email me at joe(AT)hostedcontent.com or on ICQ at 5956902

Joe

AdultGames · 11-24-2002, 11:39 AM

We offer over 140+ (and growing rapidly) Adult Games plugins.

Especially in the games business I think plugin is the way to go.

More or less people love to play the content and get addicted, which is the key element to games content, but if you only buy one or two games for members it is not a very wide selection, so the members area looks very shallow. With plugins, we keep adding, but it doesn't add to the cost of the webmaster, so it is a win-win. Also the webmaster doens't have to spend time adding and updating themselves. You have to know what your time is worth if you are doing a lot of updating yourself, that should be factored in to your budgeting

I know my opinion is bias since we only provide plugin content. Just about all of the big players use our content, and over the past 2+ years we have almost a 100% retainment of our client base. From the smallest newbie webmaster to the bigger players.

I can only speak of my own experiences, but with retention like that I think atleast the plugin method for games content is the choice for most successful paysite webmasters.

11-23-2002, 10:32 PM	#1
Marcus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,472	Do you use plugin content? Do you get feedback from members about the plugin content? Do you notice members stay around longer when youre using plugins?

11-23-2002, 10:35 PM	#2
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11-24-2002, 12:50 AM	#5
Mogul Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: LV NV USA Posts: 546	Yea, it is good for filler. You really want exclusive content as your main though. I personally do not use plugs as I have in the past but one thing I always hated was slow servers. If the plug's server(s) suck, then my members get pissed. Mogul Mogul Networks Inc. __________________ MogulPass.com Free AVS system that pays $30 per free signup, $5 per referred sale, has Promoter Sites you can just send traffic to and more. ContentLotto.com Win free content, hosting, design, traffic, lotto sites, cash and more instanty.

11-24-2002, 03:06 AM	#6
3Xguru Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Iasi Posts: 1,281	What's wrong with using plugin content? __________________ -=Free Webmaster Tools=-

11-24-2002, 04:07 AM	#7
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	there's nothing wrong with using plugin content. it's depending on nothing else but plugin content that could make a difference. many surfers, the ones who join paysites, have been online now for up to 5 or 6 years, probably joined 10 or more sites. surfer Bob joins TenderTeens.com , he sees a bunch of photogalleries from David Lace, Matrix etc and then a bunch of teen oriented and other plugins from companies like Holio and Webmaster Paradise. He decides to leave after a couple of months. So he's surfing and he feels like joining another teen site so he joins SweetassTeens.com cuz the tour looks good. He surfs on into the members area and there before him is some very familiar photos and again the same plugins. You think he's going to stick around for 5 or 6 months? This is all anecdotal stuff. There are people who will tell you it doesn't make a difference if you have exclusive content by the gobs or just a bunch of cheap plugins. Then there are people who run sites with exclusive quality content who will tell you they are still enjoying 5 and 6 member retention rates. Unless you do the test yourself you will never know. So here would be a great test - take one of the niche sites run by one of the bigger affiliate programs, teens is easiest, swap out the members area full of nothing but plugins and replace it with the members area of a site like Amateur Teen Kingdom and then see what happened. How much longer did the ATK members area retain a member if at all? Then figure out how much it would cost more to run an ATK type member area and see if it's worth it. Some people say 'it costs more to 'buy' a new member than it does to keep an old member longer'. i dunno. cuz nobody has ever shown me that they have done this test. it would be an expensive test to do which is probably why nobody has done it. Tho............. a site that is spending a whack of cash each month shooting its own content could do the test cuz they would have to spend less money. I've always wondered why Coke or Pepsi who spend ungodly amounts of money on advertising haven't ever decided to not advertise for like 3 or 4 months, just put all those millions of dollars in their pockets, surely people who are Coke drinkers aren't going to stop because suddenly there were no Coke ads for a few months. i guess the answer is that i am wrong, that they would lose customers if they stopped advertising. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

11-23-2002, 10:45 PM	#3
marty Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,656	Nothing wrong with using plugin content. Here's a great story site in case you're interested PluginStories.

11-23-2002, 11:09 PM	#4
AM Jeff Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The House Of Rage Posts: 1,320	Plugin Content is good filler type. I use them very seldom...but I would NEVER use them for my main content. The sites that do. Well...they won't retain members worth a shit.

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11-24-2002, 04:22 AM	#10
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	uh..............i said that in my last sentence. i used my powers of deduction __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

11-24-2002, 04:42 AM	#12
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	nope __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

11-24-2002, 04:47 AM	#13
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	well here's a guy who could actually do this test and produce some valid data. quiet runs a site with exclusive content, i haven't joined it yet but i'm assuming he doesn't use much third party plugin content. so quiet could keep his existing front end, send the same traffic to it for 6 months, just swap out his existing members area and replace it with Holio and all the other plugin movie feeds. Then he could see if it meant anything to his bottom line one way or the other. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

11-24-2002, 04:50 AM	#14
titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	plugins are filler. they enhance a paysite. they are not meant to compose an entire member's area. __________________ I still love everybody

11-24-2002, 05:07 AM	#16
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	you're right, you're not a good candidate for that test. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

11-24-2002, 06:23 AM	#19
PornBroker Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 686	we use it all...plug-ins which we switch around, exclusive that we purchase, exclusive that we produce ourselves etc........... __________________ please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste...I've been around for a long long year stolen many man's soul and faith...I was around when jesus christ had his moment of doubt and pain...made damn sure that pilate washed his hands and sealed his fate...pleased to meet you hope you guess my name...but's what's puzzling you is the nature of my game...

11-24-2002, 07:15 AM	#20
3Xguru Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Iasi Posts: 1,281	I guess I should make an Adult Games plugin soon... __________________ -=Free Webmaster Tools=-

11-24-2002, 07:53 AM	#21
Hef_2 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 86	As much as I want to tell you that plug-ins are the bomb (since that is what I do)...I agree with the majority of the posts here. Plug-In content is filler, albeit important filler, in your members area. A successful site will have a lot of exclusive or semi-exclusive content, and update that content many times in a week. No matter what, you will either have a substantial monetary expense (if you purchase enough exclusive content to update frequently) or a substantial time expense (if you shoot your own) to keep your exclusive content...plus the time it takes to make the galleries...And as you are aware, time = big money in this biz. So...you supplement your exclusive content with plug-ins. You back your expensive and time consuming 'exclusive content' updates off to once a week and allow the plug-ins to update your site daily. With plug-in content, you can boost the amount of content, and the frequency of updates without sacrificing time. There are two types of plug-in image content...Updated and Static. Updated plug-ins are, as you may imagine, updated on a set schedule. For instance, I offer 4 galleries which are updated daily and 4 which are updated weekly and one monthly. Updated galleries enable you to add a large amount of filler to your site, but also keep the site fresh. They also allow you to make those "Updated Daily" claims in your tour without stretching the truth Static plug-ins are galleries which are not updated on a set schedule. These galleries tend to be priced less than Updated Galleries. Static plug-ins typically have a broad variety of smaller, niche galleries which can be leased as a whole, or separately....check out <a href="http://www.ezplugcontent.com">E-Z Plugs Content's</a> (Randy's) site...He has many different galleries, and they are priced very affordadably (starting as low as $35). NOTHING is a substitute for High Quality semi-exclusive or exclusive content when it comes to member retention. See my sig for more information on my galleries...or hit me up on ICQ if you have any questions, or need more information about plug-ins in general. Thanks, Hef __________________ Hef <a href="http://www.leasedcontent.com">Leased Content Plug In Galleries - Updated Daily!</a> <a href="http://www.adultmegacash.com">AMC II...If I can make money with this program...Anyone can!</a>

11-24-2002, 08:13 AM	#22
notjoe Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 5,599	Anyone interested a FAST content provider with lots of shit online then drop me a line. Here are some of our key features: 1) 129+ DVDS (5-15 dvds added weekly) 2) 2100+ clips (each clip is 5-6 mins long) 3) The most well known stars in the industry 4) Ability to link directly to each DVD from your site. 5) Ability to link directly to each category from your site. 6) We do not cap our servers so they are always fast. 7) We have multiple mirror servers in a few different NOCS 8) Earn 5% recurring commission on DVD upsells off our plugin. There are many many more things which we offer that we can talk more about if anyone is interested. Email me at joe(AT)hostedcontent.com or on ICQ at 5956902 Joe

11-24-2002, 11:39 AM	#23
AdultGames Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: USA Posts: 190	We offer over 140+ (and growing rapidly) Adult Games plugins. Especially in the games business I think plugin is the way to go. More or less people love to play the content and get addicted, which is the key element to games content, but if you only buy one or two games for members it is not a very wide selection, so the members area looks very shallow. With plugins, we keep adding, but it doesn't add to the cost of the webmaster, so it is a win-win. Also the webmaster doens't have to spend time adding and updating themselves. You have to know what your time is worth if you are doing a lot of updating yourself, that should be factored in to your budgeting I know my opinion is bias since we only provide plugin content. Just about all of the big players use our content, and over the past 2+ years we have almost a 100% retainment of our client base. From the smallest newbie webmaster to the bigger players. I can only speak of my own experiences, but with retention like that I think atleast the plugin method for games content is the choice for most successful paysite webmasters. __________________ Paul M. Games President The Leaders In Online Adult Games Content www.AdultWebGames.com