woman to pay 11M in software scam - GoFuckYourself.com

quiet · 11-23-2002, 07:21 PM

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...rfeit_software

Quote:

A woman described as a major player in a worldwide computer software piracy organization was sentenced to nine years in prison and ordered to pay $11 million in restitution to software giants Microsoft and Symantec...

...We think that she is a major player in a worldwide organization," Mueller said.

Bobo · 11-23-2002, 07:23 PM

Sweet

BJ · 11-23-2002, 07:27 PM

probably won't pay like most scammers

dickblast · 11-23-2002, 07:36 PM

12clicks busted her

quiet · 11-23-2002, 07:36 PM

98 million dollars worth of illegally imported software. sounds a lot like high level drug trafficking.

heymatty · 11-23-2002, 07:42 PM

maybe I should unistall kazaa

I love to 'buy' software there

Bobo · 11-23-2002, 07:53 PM

She'll spend 6 months in minimum security prison, err 'correctional instituion' after which time she'll be released and free to reacquint herself with her Swiss bank account and live like a queen.

UnseenWorld · 11-23-2002, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bobo
She'll spend 6 months in minimum security prison, err 'correctional instituion' after which time she'll be released and free to reacquint herself with her Swiss bank account and live like a queen.

Yeah, I wonder if she actually cleared much more than the fine, in which case the fine is just a "cost of doing business."

Fletch XXX · 11-23-2002, 07:59 PM

Hargh.

Sunshine McGillicutty · 11-23-2002, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bobo
She'll spend 6 months in minimum security prison, err 'correctional instituion' after which time she'll be released and free to reacquint herself with her Swiss bank account and live like a queen.

Any idea how much time she'll actually do? I can't imagine she'll only do 6 months on a 9 year sentence. I wonder how much cash she has socked away. Doing 2-3 years in a federal minimum security prison and paying a fine isn't that bad a deal if you get to hide a few million in untaxed liquid assets.

Bobo · 11-23-2002, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sunshine McGillicutty
Doing 2-3 years in a federal minimum security prison and paying a fine isn't that bad a deal if you get to hide a few million in untaxed liquid assets.

Exactly

Sambuka · 11-23-2002, 10:15 PM

Learn from the warez sites, DON"T FUCK WITH MICROSOFT! It an't worth it!

9 years seems a bit harsh. you get that for murder in my country.

Sammy

Backov · 11-23-2002, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sambuka
Learn from the warez sites, DON"T FUCK WITH MICROSOFT! It an't worth it!

9 years seems a bit harsh. you get that for murder in my country.

Sammy

Ya leave it to Americas corporate whores (the congressmen) to make what should be a civil matter (copyright infringement, not fraud, not theft) a criminal matter.. And the ridiculousness of the sentences is unbelievable.. Manslaughter is a lesser sentence than warez.

Cheers,
Backov

Chris R · 11-24-2002, 01:37 AM

The federal system is much different than most state systems.

If you get sentenced to 10 years - you'll be lucky to get a year off of that.

I believe the law requires federal prisoners to serve at least 85% of the time you are sentenced to, but if it isn't that by law - it is that in practice.

You just don't get good time like you can in some states.

Most laws have a maximum sentence. Take a law that has a maximum sentence of 20 years.

In MD - Robbery has a maximum sentence of 20 years. In this state - a hjudge can sentence you to 20 years or 1 day - or nothing if he wants.

There is nothing you can do about it either way.

Theft of property in MD is up to 18 months for anything under $300 - $300 or over - it is up to 15 years.

If you steal a tastykake - one judge could sentence you to 18 months - and for another crime of stealing $10,000,000 - a judge in Maryland could sentence you to 1 year. Judges have great discretiion.

Not so under the federal sentencing guidelines.

There is a chart in the back of the book with 6 columns and 42 rows.

Row 1 is for like littering in a national park and row 42 is for assisnating the president.

Then the add or subtract numbers based on variou factors.

Money is a huge factor.

If you counterfit one MS Windows CD for example - there is no way you would go to jail for more than 6 months unless there are a lot of other factors involved.

Counterfit thousands of them and you are looking at a minimum that is much greater.

White collar crimes that have lots of money involved can go to prison for a long, long time.

William McCorkel was originally sentenced to 24 years in prison sue to the fact of the large amount of money invloved.

http://www.williamkent.com/McCorkle%...07-12-2002.htm

In short - if you get caught in the federal system - you are usually in big trouble.

Backov · 11-24-2002, 01:48 AM

My point was that copyright infringement is (was, and should be) - a strictly civil matter. It's not theft, despite what the MPAA and RIAA would have you believe - it's infringing a copyright, which was always a civil matter until Disney and the rest bought some legislation (DMCA)..

Thanks for the insight into the sentencing bit, but it doesn't make my disgust for this law any less.

What would you say is worse? Distributing 1000 copies of Microsoft Office ($400k) to pirates who aren't going to buy it anyway (no lost revenue) - or killing someone. The law says the piracy is worse, a lot of the time. Bullshit.

Bend over for the corporate masters, and start giving money to the EFF.

Cheers,
Backov

11-23-2002, 07:36 PM	#4
dickblast Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ben Curtis's Tour Bus Posts: 666	12clicks busted her __________________ Ben Curtis is a Ninja

11-23-2002, 07:36 PM	#5
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	98 million dollars worth of illegally imported software. sounds a lot like high level drug trafficking. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

11-23-2002, 07:42 PM	#6
heymatty Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Scottsdale :) Posts: 2,188	maybe I should unistall kazaa I love to 'buy' software there __________________ Cashlantis ~ Black Book Cash

11-23-2002, 07:59 PM	#9
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Hargh. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

11-24-2002, 01:48 AM	#15
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	My point was that copyright infringement is (was, and should be) - a strictly civil matter. It's not theft, despite what the MPAA and RIAA would have you believe - it's infringing a copyright, which was always a civil matter until Disney and the rest bought some legislation (DMCA).. Thanks for the insight into the sentencing bit, but it doesn't make my disgust for this law any less. What would you say is worse? Distributing 1000 copies of Microsoft Office ($400k) to pirates who aren't going to buy it anyway (no lost revenue) - or killing someone. The law says the piracy is worse, a lot of the time. Bullshit. Bend over for the corporate masters, and start giving money to the EFF. Cheers, Backov __________________ <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

11-23-2002, 07:23 PM	#2
Bobo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,253	Sweet

11-23-2002, 07:27 PM	#3
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	probably won't pay like most scammers

11-23-2002, 07:53 PM	#7
Bobo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,253	She'll spend 6 months in minimum security prison, err 'correctional instituion' after which time she'll be released and free to reacquint herself with her Swiss bank account and live like a queen.

11-23-2002, 10:15 PM	#12
Sambuka Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: - Posts: 500	Learn from the warez sites, DON"T FUCK WITH MICROSOFT! It an't worth it! 9 years seems a bit harsh. you get that for murder in my country. Sammy

11-24-2002, 01:37 AM	#14
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	The federal system is much different than most state systems. If you get sentenced to 10 years - you'll be lucky to get a year off of that. I believe the law requires federal prisoners to serve at least 85% of the time you are sentenced to, but if it isn't that by law - it is that in practice. You just don't get good time like you can in some states. Most laws have a maximum sentence. Take a law that has a maximum sentence of 20 years. In MD - Robbery has a maximum sentence of 20 years. In this state - a hjudge can sentence you to 20 years or 1 day - or nothing if he wants. There is nothing you can do about it either way. Theft of property in MD is up to 18 months for anything under $300 - $300 or over - it is up to 15 years. If you steal a tastykake - one judge could sentence you to 18 months - and for another crime of stealing $10,000,000 - a judge in Maryland could sentence you to 1 year. Judges have great discretiion. Not so under the federal sentencing guidelines. There is a chart in the back of the book with 6 columns and 42 rows. Row 1 is for like littering in a national park and row 42 is for assisnating the president. Then the add or subtract numbers based on variou factors. Money is a huge factor. If you counterfit one MS Windows CD for example - there is no way you would go to jail for more than 6 months unless there are a lot of other factors involved. Counterfit thousands of them and you are looking at a minimum that is much greater. White collar crimes that have lots of money involved can go to prison for a long, long time. William McCorkel was originally sentenced to 24 years in prison sue to the fact of the large amount of money invloved. http://www.williamkent.com/McCorkle%...07-12-2002.htm In short - if you get caught in the federal system - you are usually in big trouble.