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Sorry for being slightly off topic but has anyone used Zombaio? Their way way lower fees are enticing. Plus the 0 dollar startup instead of 750.
Im trying to make some of the same decisions as the thread starter only im going to use NATS so not worried about the affiliate tracking part of the processors. Any thoughts? |
one more vote for ccbill
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I've been told that if a person joins a CCBill site, opting for a recurring billing option, but then cancels before any rebilling occurs, that CCBill's merchant bank will flag that person for committing a form of fraud. Then, whenever that person attempts to join another CCBill site, they will be rejected. With no secondary processor as a back-up, you will simply lose the sale.
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I would rather not pay $750 for another processor, but if I do add another biller they would have to work with my upcoming CCBill affiliate program, so Epoch and/or SegPay seem to be the only options. I will say this; around 3 weeks ago I removed a second billing option from my join page, based upon the recent credibility of that processor (not Epoch or SegPay). With ONLY CCBill on my join page, sales have dropped over 25% since then, with no other changes whatsoever, so it is easy to believe a second biller is important, but from the replies on this thread, that does not seem to be the case. Still a mystery regarding the past 3 weeks however, so I am left scratching my head. |
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you save a few pennies but risk losing 60% of your business |
ccbill was the xbiz winner 2 years in a row :)
great people over there, we dealt with them with the phx forum sponsorships over the past few months, ron, sherri, nick, amazing service oriented company do not know much about epoch, but why look elsewhere when you are dealing with such a high caliber company thats been the billing flagship for 10+ years? |
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If all experiences are great then it would be a tough decision not to try them out. |
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Furthermore all payments to affiliates are still made by CCBill. Pretty cool huh? |
I would say use CCBill as your primary and when you have enough business to justify adding another processor integrate one of the processors that CCBill will cascade to and give your affiliate the credit for the sale.
If you have any questions about running a CCBill program feel free to hit me up anytime, I am always online! |
Well I have an Epoch Program so maybe I am biased.
I don't see what is wrong with epoch at all? Honestly the only reason it might not be as good is because ccbill is just known better. epochs sales are equal to ccbills in my experience....after all the customer doesn't care. However, affiliates are obviously opinionated and so that is something to consider :) |
50 votes for ccbill :thumbsup
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I'm not sure what's going on here and why Epoch is getting pissed on... the conversion ratio with Epoch is just as good as with ANY other billing company, and if you put a gun to my head I would say the retention is better.
When and why have people soured on Epoch??? |
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no doubt epoch is in the top 2, just ccbill is first, primarily because they have a better system, and has had one for much much longer their billing capabilities were never their downfall, it was their affiliate admin, tools, reports, etc etc, ccbills has always been better |
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How uncanny is this, I am sure we have done exactly the same thing. And this is is exactly my story as well. Your rebills will be down as well. |
This is an interesting thread because I posed the same question and was told that ccbill is more well known, but that I should use both and cascade from one to the other.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...6#post15704976 |
Been using CCBill for 3 years now.
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http://www.zombo.com/ |
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If I can clear anything else up for you please let me know. paulk @ ccbill.com i c q 248615940 |
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are you really gonna take the words of the GFY crowd? how many of the people that supported CCBill in here even have a paysite? If your that interested in the court of GFY's opinion, do a search.
CCBill has the added advantage of a well known and trusted back end system for your affiliates to use, which means you can bypass the need for additional infrastructure. Epoch offers a similar system its just much newer and not as widely used, but at least its PHP and not crap slow java and isnt nearly as complicated! i think both will waive the $750 fee if you ask very nicely. Personally I'd go with Epoch, I've dealt with both for many years and if i had to choose one thats where id go, for reasons i wont post on a board. |
hands down CCBill
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Epoch was the worst choice I've ever made. We had them as our primary for years and then one of their support guys who we think is a stalker, hit us up demanding the uncensored IDs of two MILFs on one of our sites, claiming they looked young to him. He also demanded uncensored model releases.
They were pushing so hard for it and it come from some guy in support, not from anyone up the ladder, we denied his request and kindly asked they visit our place of records, have someone higher up the ladder contact us, or allow us to censor some information that someone could track the model with. Our account was terminated. Now they are cleverly trying to wrap it around communication problems with us and avoiding any issue at all, literally avoiding it, any questions of the IDs or their possible stalker in support. After we pulled the site in question, they STILL wanted the IDs. Too spooky for us. Look to me like they have a problem over there. So unless you want to violate your models privacy and possibly put them in danger from a deranged employee from Epoch, I would not use them. |
we won't list epoch programs (as we have listed 100% of all ccbill programs), before this issue will be resolved http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=937677
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Wow, this is an old thread! I'm surprised it was bumped.
I went the CCBill route in the end by the way. I am still working on all aspects... http://www.PeckerPass.com/AffiliateJoinPage.html I will have much more up soon! |
epochs sucks balls.
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Nats or mpa3 and zombaio. Don't be a pussy, these guys look legit.
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Well, since this post is back to the top again, where do you guys stand on SegPay as a second biller, working in conjunction with a primary CCBill affiliate program?
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I swtiched to CCBill 2003 after the GloBill disaster and I am very happy with their service.
Use Epoch as secondary processor! |
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Thanks! |
Bottom line epoch converts double as well as ccbill. So do the math from there.
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Segpay is great. If you had to choose between two 3rd party billers it would be Segpay and Epoch. CCbill is good, dont get me wrong. You will see more through put with Seg and Epoch. I can you show you my stats to prove it too as you are only across the street. Duke |
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I should have SegPay up and running sometime this week. They are reviewing my sites for compliance as we speak. Here's everyone's chance to win a stupid t-shirt... http://www.slidism.org/shop.html |
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