2257 & True Amateur Content ? -- How is it possible ? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

pornlaw · 04-12-2009, 09:40 PM

Quote:

2257 has nothing to do with the rights of ownership, a different law covers that, called the Copyright Act.

The Copyright Act doesn't make it legal for people to steal and profit from you, but it sure as hell doesn't protect you either.

Not exactly accurate, and 2257 can be used to stop others from stealing your content. If a site infringes on your copyright you can forgo a copyright claim and file an unfair business claim instead -- at least here in California.

V_RocKs · 04-12-2009, 11:02 PM

Without reading everything (and this might have been posted before)...

Steph, what you might not realize is this:

A real life amateur takes pics of her and her boyfriend doing POV BJ's... She sends it in to RealGFs and they get the licenses from both people in the pics and they match. Then they now have the 2257 docs they need. They have them sign releases and get a second ID... blah blah...

After 2 years they license that content to someone else and give them copies of the 2257. Or they do this for 8 other sites.

Now you start seeing it on newsgroups and what not as surfers repost it illegally...

Then you get it from a newsgroup and ASSUME the content has never had any 2257 docs ever because you see 9 paysites with the same content and they "must" be doing what you are doing right? Just ripping content? No...

So you get the DOJ involved. And they check everyone for docs... and then you are the only one fucked... and now you know why.

V_RocKs · 04-12-2009, 11:03 PM

BTW, do I get some kind of reward?

raymor · 04-13-2009, 10:44 AM

Stephanie Hastert, you stated that you have the same content on your site, and
that you have neither 2257 documentation, nor copyright rights, so that pretty much
disqualifies you from complaining about other people doing the same thing that
you're doing, doesn't it?

The only difference you noted was that you make your money from ads and
don't try to keep kids from seeing your site, while the people you are complaining
about limit access to adults only because they are pay sites. From a legal
standpoint, that puts them in a better position than you. You also probably
have higher traffic, given that your site is ad based, so you're committing
the offences more. (Each time the image is displayed it's a copyright infringement
and a violation of 2257, if 2257 isn't followed).

Is it possible to have real amateur content and stay within 2257? Sure.
The most obvious way is to do what all of the magazines do, require
submissions to include a copy of their ID. One could also take a model
who has never modeled before, do a regular shoot, pay them, and it
would look amateur and they actually would be amateurs during the shoot,
up until the time they got their first check in their hands.

smax · 04-13-2009, 10:56 AM

Life Lesson

When you go to a forum and ask for advice, you get better results if you do not turn into a super condescending bitch if the first few replies are not what you wanted hear.

Just a thought.....

CyberHustler · 04-13-2009, 11:29 AM

This is why I'm a firm believer that if a bitch isn't being shot for content, she should not be out of the kitchen...

TheDoc · 04-13-2009, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornlaw

Not exactly accurate, and 2257 can be used to stop others from stealing your content. If a site infringes on your copyright you can forgo a copyright claim and file an unfair business claim instead -- at least here in California.

That would be hell of a hard fight. Unfair business, based on no proof that another person isn't keeping proper secondary records, even if it was theft. If you lost, couldn't that bite you in the ass?

I can't see someone reaching that far when you have theft, criminal complaint/charges, copyright issues and so on to help push an unfair business claim.

04-13-2009, 10:44 AM	#54
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	Stephanie Hastert, you stated that you have the same content on your site, and that you have neither 2257 documentation, nor copyright rights, so that pretty much disqualifies you from complaining about other people doing the same thing that you're doing, doesn't it? The only difference you noted was that you make your money from ads and don't try to keep kids from seeing your site, while the people you are complaining about limit access to adults only because they are pay sites. From a legal standpoint, that puts them in a better position than you. You also probably have higher traffic, given that your site is ad based, so you're committing the offences more. (Each time the image is displayed it's a copyright infringement and a violation of 2257, if 2257 isn't followed). Is it possible to have real amateur content and stay within 2257? Sure. The most obvious way is to do what all of the magazines do, require submissions to include a copy of their ID. One could also take a model who has never modeled before, do a regular shoot, pay them, and it would look amateur and they actually would be amateurs during the shoot, up until the time they got their first check in their hands. __________________ For historical display only. This information is not current: support@bettercgi.com ICQ 7208627 Strongbox - The next generation in site security Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

04-13-2009, 11:29 AM	#56
CyberHustler Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 28,622	This is why I'm a firm believer that if a bitch isn't being shot for content, she should not be out of the kitchen... __________________ “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

04-12-2009, 11:02 PM	#52
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,432	Without reading everything (and this might have been posted before)... Steph, what you might not realize is this: A real life amateur takes pics of her and her boyfriend doing POV BJ's... She sends it in to RealGFs and they get the licenses from both people in the pics and they match. Then they now have the 2257 docs they need. They have them sign releases and get a second ID... blah blah... After 2 years they license that content to someone else and give them copies of the 2257. Or they do this for 8 other sites. Now you start seeing it on newsgroups and what not as surfers repost it illegally... Then you get it from a newsgroup and ASSUME the content has never had any 2257 docs ever because you see 9 paysites with the same content and they "must" be doing what you are doing right? Just ripping content? No... So you get the DOJ involved. And they check everyone for docs... and then you are the only one fucked... and now you know why.

04-12-2009, 11:03 PM	#53
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,432	BTW, do I get some kind of reward?

04-13-2009, 10:56 AM	#55
smax Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 341	Life Lesson When you go to a forum and ask for advice, you get better results if you do not turn into a super condescending bitch if the first few replies are not what you wanted hear. Just a thought.....