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  • Stephanie Hastert
    So Fucking Banned
    • Oct 2008
    • 77
    #1

    2257 & True Amateur Content ? -- How is it possible ?

    I would like to inquire concerning true, real, user submitted amateur content as it pertains to 2257 regulations.

    the visual depictions were created prior to November 1, 1990, or were produced, manufactured, published, duplicated, reproduced, or reissued before May 26, 1992.
    I know for a fact that many if not a majority of all the amateur content was taken, produced and submitted well after 1992.

    Mainly what these pay site owners do is strip / rip all the amateur content they can off the internet ( That has been saturated with the same content they offer in their members area ) and create a pay site that contains that same content.

    How can they possibly prove all the images that are producing these webmasters profit were taken before 1992 ?
    Basically they are saying all their content is 17+ years old ? I beg to differ!

    Where is the 2257 documentation of the images that I know for a fact were taken well after 1992 ?

    Why hasn't 2257 Record-Keeping compliance enforced this mandatory regulation ?

    It's abundantly obvious their 2257 documentation doesn't exist as they hide behind a 2257 code these webmasters can not prove one way or another.

    Seeing all this illegal website activity, does 2257 compliance really matter now-a-days ?

    Sincerely
    Stephanie Hastert

    PS: If need be, I can throw many, many of these websites under the bus but I am sure we all know who they are.
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    • quantum-x
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2002
      • 6863
      #2
      It's possible.
      We're completely compliant & legal, and all our content is amateur submitted.
      Our ratios show it, too.

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        • Pleasurepays
          BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
          • Aug 2002
          • 11913
          #3
          your attempt to destroy the industry and bring much needed heat and attention by the DOJ and FBI will surely be appreciated by all.

          keep doing the lords work and fighting the good fight!

          god bless you and happy easter.

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            • notime
              Confirmed User
              • Jun 2003
              • 8025
              #4
              Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
              If need be, I can throw many, many of these websites under the bus
              You sound like Tony

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                • cykoe6
                  Confirmed User
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 4499
                  #5
                  Ummmmmmm....... it is not possible obviously.
                  бабки, шлюхи, сила

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                    • Stephanie Hastert
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 77
                      #6
                      Originally posted by quantum-x
                      It's possible.
                      We're completely compliant & legal, and all our content is amateur submitted.
                      Our ratios show it, too.
                      Ratios have absolutely nothing to do with it.

                      The question is :
                      How can you produce 2257 documentation from unsuspecting user submitted amateur images / content you've collected off the internet ?
                      You can not which in turn makes it illegal to profit off of such content.


                      Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                      your attempt to destroy the industry and bring much needed heat and attention by the DOJ and FBI will surely be appreciated by all.

                      keep doing the lords work and fighting the good fight!

                      god bless you and happy easter.

                      It's not a attempt, it's a actual fact!
                      It's the fast dollar however you can make it with full disregard for regulations style of mentality is what draws the DOJ & FBI.
                      I am not sure what 'industry' you're referring to but my circle of this industry is very much legal.
                      quantum-x's website makes a statement of exactly what I am asking in this thread and I quote him :

                      TeenGFs.com
                      The only legal, 2257 compliant real ex-gf / teen girlfriend website online!
                      Happy Easter to you too Pleasurepays

                      Sincerely
                      Stephanie Hastert

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                        • TheDoc
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Jul 2001
                          • 13827
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                          I would like to inquire concerning true, real, user submitted amateur content as it pertains to 2257 regulations.



                          I know for a fact that many if not a majority of all the amateur content was taken, produced and submitted well after 1992.

                          Mainly what these pay site owners do is strip / rip all the amateur content they can off the internet ( That has been saturated with the same content they offer in their members area ) and create a pay site that contains that same content.

                          How can they possibly prove all the images that are producing these webmasters profit were taken before 1992 ?
                          Basically they are saying all their content is 17+ years old ? I beg to differ!

                          Where is the 2257 documentation of the images that I know for a fact were taken well after 1992 ?

                          Why hasn't 2257 Record-Keeping compliance enforced this mandatory regulation ?

                          It's abundantly obvious their 2257 documentation doesn't exist as they hide behind a 2257 code these webmasters can not prove one way or another.

                          Seeing all this illegal website activity, does 2257 compliance really matter now-a-days ?

                          Sincerely
                          Stephanie Hastert

                          PS: If need be, I can throw many, many of these websites under the bus but I am sure we all know who they are.

                          That's a lot of 'theory' being tossed around... Clearly you have no idea how this part of the business works.

                          We have taken user submitted content for years, and we have the records for all of it. Like 100's of other legit sites that do the same thing. It's not all that hard to figure out, 10 different solutions to making it legal. At that, under the new laws - It's even easier for someone to run this type of content.
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                            • fris
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 55679
                              #8
                              teengfs doesnt "collect" the content like most amateur sites do, like seemygfs, the site by amakings, and plenty of others

                              It has all identification for every image, if it doesnt have id, the images wont be up.
                              Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence.

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                                • TheDoc
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Jul 2001
                                  • 13827
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                  Ratios have absolutely nothing to do with it.

                                  The question is :
                                  How can you produce 2257 documentation from unsuspecting user submitted amateur images / content you've collected off the internet ?
                                  User submitted content is not the same as content collected off the Internet. One is legal, the other is illegal - due to theft & copyright violations - not 2257.

                                  The new 2257 rules, I can steal content from 'some sources' and stay legal..
                                  Last edited by TheDoc; 04-12-2009, 10:06 AM.
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                                    • Deej
                                      I make pixels work
                                      • Jun 2005
                                      • 24386
                                      #10
                                      A handfull of these sites are legit. Others are scraped and not necessarily legal. But then again some of the owners and operators are not bound by 2257 since they live overseas.

                                      you need to do more research before you think you can go "throwing them under the bus"

                                      happy hunting...

                                      Deej's Designs n' What Not
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                                        • Dirty Dane
                                          Sick Fuck
                                          • Feb 2004
                                          • 9491
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                          The question is :
                                          How can you produce 2257 documentation from unsuspecting user submitted amateur images / content you've collected off the internet ?
                                          You can not which in turn makes it illegal to profit off of such content.
                                          Illegal in US maybe, yes. But in most other countries you are are not guilty until proven otherwise.
                                          One side is the legal part of it - the other is policy (payment processor, VISA, hosting etc.)

                                          And how can you be sure/prove some content is produced after 1992, if you do not have the IDs yourself?

                                          I know what you mean, but it is my impression that the paysites use "safe" content. What amaze me, is how the free pichosts and sharing communities can survive 2257 or other local laws.

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                                            • HorseShit
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Dec 2004
                                              • 17513
                                              #12
                                              The vast majority of these sites don't even operate in the US.

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                                                • CyberHustler
                                                  Masterbaiter
                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                  • 28728
                                                  #13
                                                  First of all, who are you?

                                                  And, have we seen your tits yet? If not, then you need to get your priorities straight.
                                                  “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                    • charlie3273
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Nov 2008
                                                      • 376
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Justin
                                                      The vast majority of these sites don't even operate in the US.
                                                      And that is the biggest loophole of it all. Most sponsors I have are in greece or canada. But I do have content on my header and there for have the 2257 statement and documetation to back it up.
                                                      Super Slutty That is my website of many I have.

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                                                        • Stephanie Hastert
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Oct 2008
                                                          • 77
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by cykoe6
                                                          Ummmmmmm....... it is not possible obviously.
                                                          That is exactly what I thought!
                                                          For the reason I decided to create this thread.


                                                          Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                          That's a lot of 'theory' being tossed around... Clearly you have no idea how this part of the business works.

                                                          We have taken user submitted content for years, and we have the records for all of it. Like 100's of other legit sites that do the same thing. It's not all that hard to figure out, 10 different solutions to making it legal. At that, under the new laws - It's even easier for someone to run this type of content.

                                                          Correction sweetie, I know exactly how this area of the industry works.
                                                          It appears you think of yourself as being very informed. As a example, please explain to me how a webmaster can legally use my personal image (taken in my home) on his or her website and make a profit off of it without my consent ?
                                                          You stated '10 different solutions'.. please tell me just one using my example.


                                                          Originally posted by fris
                                                          teengfs doesnt "collect" the content like most amateur sites do, like seemygfs, the site by amakings, and plenty of others
                                                          Thank you!
                                                          You are clearly supporting my point with concern to the rogue fast dollar
                                                          totally illegal websites.



                                                          Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                          User submitted content is not the same as content collected off the Internet. One is legal, the other is illegal - due to theft & copyright violations - not 2257.

                                                          The new 2257 rules, I can steal content from 'some sources' and stay legal..

                                                          LOL, I think you misunderstood me.
                                                          Example : You own website A ... you're telling me you can legally use someone elses user submitted content from their website on your website and make a profit off of it ?

                                                          Oh really? With no 2257 documentation / The poor unsuspecting girl who is depicted in the image. Plz enlighten me of you can stay legal doing that ?



                                                          Originally posted by Deej
                                                          A handfull of these sites are legit. Others are scraped and not necessarily legal. But then again some of the owners and operators are not bound by 2257 since they live overseas.

                                                          you need to do more research before you think you can go "throwing them under the bus"

                                                          happy hunting...
                                                          Yes, a handful, a very small handful are legal. I am referring to websites based in the US using US based servers. What is more surprising is how CCBill allows this ?

                                                          Perhaps you can dabble in some research yourself.



                                                          Originally posted by Dirty Dane
                                                          Illegal in US maybe, yes. But in most other countries you are are not guilty until proven otherwise.
                                                          One side is the legal part of it - the other is policy (payment processor, VISA, hosting etc.)

                                                          And how can you be sure/prove some content is produced after 1992, if you do not have the IDs yourself?

                                                          I know what you mean, but it is my impression that the paysites use "safe" content. What amaze me, is how the free pichosts and sharing communities can survive 2257 or other local laws.

                                                          Well, one way I know I am very sure their content is post 1992 is for one obvious way. The photos are digitally dated like 2003, 2007, some from only a month ago. Quite simple really.
                                                          I know, pic hosts are another topic all in itself.

                                                          Sincerely
                                                          Stephanie Hastert

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                                                            • TheDoc
                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                              • 13827
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                              Correction sweetie, I know exactly how this area of the industry works.
                                                              It appears you think of yourself as being very informed. As a example, please explain to me how a webmaster can legally use my personal image (taken in my home) on his or her website and make a profit off of it without my consent ?
                                                              You stated '10 different solutions'.. please tell me just one using my example.




                                                              LOL, I think you misunderstood me.
                                                              Example : You own website A ... you're telling me you can legally use someone elses user submitted content from their website on your website and make a profit off of it ?

                                                              Oh really? With no 2257 documentation / The poor unsuspecting girl who is depicted in the image. Plz enlighten me of you can stay legal doing that ?
                                                              You may want to read what is actually going into law...

                                                              And what you are referring to, is theft, stealing, copyright issues... YOU need solve, and not rely on the Gov to solve your problems for you.
                                                              ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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                                                                • Stephanie Hastert
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Oct 2008
                                                                  • 77
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                  You may want to read what is actually going into law...

                                                                  And what you are referring to, is theft, stealing, copyright issues... YOU need solve, and not rely on the Gov to solve your problems for you.
                                                                  You are hysterical!
                                                                  Having someone using my image on a website was only a example. Perhaps you'll re-read that part.

                                                                  So inform me.. and I use your own words :

                                                                  Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                  The new 2257 rules, I can steal content from 'some sources' and stay legal..
                                                                  Perhaps you can point out the paragraph that legally allows you to do that?

                                                                  Keep in mind I am referring to real amateur images submitted by innocent girls who in their wildest dreams never would imagined they would be displayed on a pay website.

                                                                  I await your response.


                                                                  Sincerely
                                                                  Stephanie Hastert

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                                                                    • mynameisjim
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Aug 2007
                                                                      • 2985
                                                                      #18
                                                                      You need to look into how 2257 inspections are handled.
                                                                      jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

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                                                                        • Stephanie Hastert
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Oct 2008
                                                                          • 77
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by mynameisjim
                                                                          You need to look into how 2257 inspections are handled.

                                                                          Sweetie, I've exhausted many hours reading countless pages of 2257 documentation..
                                                                          You know what I discovered?
                                                                          Not one 2257 page grants legal authority for the use of private non consenting images for profit.

                                                                          Please, as I kindly asked thedoc, enlighten me with your wisdom so we can put this topic to rest.

                                                                          I await your fantastic response too.

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                                                                            • Deej
                                                                              I make pixels work
                                                                              • Jun 2005
                                                                              • 24386
                                                                              #20
                                                                              I have 'dabbled' way more than you ... I know all about it and who processes them.

                                                                              Ive had those very conversations with the processors and I can see their legal obligation to process them until they are found to be working under any illegal operations.

                                                                              I was mad at ccbill first too...

                                                                              but i did my research and spoke to who does what...

                                                                              So try again... and dig further...

                                                                              Name one of those GF sites that is US based and served...

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                                                                                • Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Oct 2008
                                                                                  • 77
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Deej
                                                                                  I have 'dabbled' way more than you ... I know all about it and who processes them.
                                                                                  Oh really... First of all I do not know you from adam so how can you possibly know what I have researched, read, investigated and or had conversations with?

                                                                                  Originally posted by Deej
                                                                                  Ive had those very conversations with the processors and I can see their legal obligation to process them until they are found to be working under any illegal operations.

                                                                                  I was mad at ccbill first too...

                                                                                  but i did my research and spoke to who does what...
                                                                                  I have done the very same thing!
                                                                                  Do you actually think I would create such a touchy topic on one of the most, if not thee most popular webmaster message board in the internet without doing my homework ?

                                                                                  Originally posted by Deej
                                                                                  So try again... and dig further...
                                                                                  So please, do not tell me what I need to be or should be doing.

                                                                                  Please answer my question or show me some proof to support the claims
                                                                                  that it is legal to make a profit off of non consenting content.

                                                                                  Originally posted by Deej
                                                                                  Name one of those GF sites that is US based and served...
                                                                                  You mean to tell me you've chatted with all these people and processors concerning this very topic, PLUS you 'know way more than me' all without knowing of one illegal US gf website ?
                                                                                  Thought you knew all about it ?

                                                                                  Yes I know of quite-a-few but it seems nobody is answering my question. All I see is a lot of dancing around the original topic question. Respond to my question without thinking you know it all (which runs ramped on this board) and I will respond to yours.

                                                                                  Sincerely
                                                                                  Stephanie Hastert

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                                                                                    • quantum-x
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                      • 6863
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                      I have done the very same thing!
                                                                                      Do you actually think I would create such a touchy topic on one of the most, if not thee most popular webmaster message board in the internet without doing my homework ?
                                                                                      Without trying to stir up drama - if you've done your homework, and sufficient research, I find it hard to believe that you're not aware that legal sites exist. There aren't many: couldn't be too hard to find. I don't recall seeing nor hearing from you before, so to the best of my knowledge, you've not contacted us.

                                                                                      With that in mind, and as has already been touched on in this thread: there are fairly obvious ways to run a legal operation.

                                                                                      You're not really probing into a 'sensitive issue' - this has been discussed ad nauseum for literally years on GFY.

                                                                                      I invite you to check out our program and send some traffic. We've got guys converting at 1:60 this period, on our $100 PPS day
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                                                                                        • Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Oct 2008
                                                                                          • 77
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by quantum-x
                                                                                          Without trying to stir up drama - if you've done your homework, and sufficient research, I find it hard to believe that you're not aware that legal sites exist. There aren't many: couldn't be too hard to find. I don't recall seeing nor hearing from you before, so to the best of my knowledge, you've not contacted us.

                                                                                          With that in mind, and as has already been touched on in this thread: there are fairly obvious ways to run a legal operation.

                                                                                          You're not really probing into a 'sensitive issue' - this has been discussed ad nauseum for literally years on GFY.

                                                                                          I invite you to check out our program and send some traffic. We've got guys converting at 1:60 this period, on our $100 PPS day

                                                                                          Why are you constantly trying to promote your website?

                                                                                          Sweetie, I have 35 gig's of true real amateur content that does not have any documentation!
                                                                                          Right now I am looking at well over 70CD's filled with Real amateur content. I have seen the interior of your website including your content and frankly I am not impressed!
                                                                                          All that your website offers is what any free amateur message board offers.. so! where did you acquire your documentation ?

                                                                                          This image of yours was made by a visitor on a adult message board I frequent!
                                                                                          He made quite a few and is very talented! Do you have documentation on that image ?
                                                                                          I hardly think so!



                                                                                          Care to continue ?
                                                                                          I wouldn't if I were you!

                                                                                          Sincerely
                                                                                          Stephanie Hastert

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                                                                                            • cykoe6
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Apr 2005
                                                                                              • 4499
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Damn........ either there is either a whole lot of stupid in this thread or people are pretty desperate to obfuscate the issue.
                                                                                              бабки, шлюхи, сила

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                                                                                                • shermo
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                  Why are you constantly trying to promote your website?

                                                                                                  Sweetie, I have 35 gig's of true real amateur content that does not have any documentation!
                                                                                                  Right now I am looking at well over 70CD's filled with Real amateur content. I have seen the interior of your website including your content and frankly I am not impressed!
                                                                                                  All that your website offers is what any free amateur message board offers.. so! where did you acquire your documentation ?

                                                                                                  This image of yours was made by a visitor on a adult message board I frequent!
                                                                                                  He made quite a few and is very talented! Do you have documentation on that image ?
                                                                                                  I hardly think so!



                                                                                                  Care to continue ?
                                                                                                  I wouldn't if I were you!

                                                                                                  Sincerely
                                                                                                  Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                  Perhaps the submission comes accompanied with the ID's of the models, as well as a signed/faxed copy of a release?

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                                                                                                    • quantum-x
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                                      • 6863
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                      Why are you constantly trying to promote your website?
                                                                                                      Because it's super awesome...


                                                                                                      Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                      Sweetie, I have 35 gig's of true real amateur content that does not have any documentation!
                                                                                                      Right now I am looking at well over 70CD's filled with Real amateur content.
                                                                                                      ..So what's your point? You've got content without documentation.. ?

                                                                                                      Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                      I have seen the interior of your website including your content and frankly I am not impressed!
                                                                                                      All that your website offers is what any free amateur message board offers..
                                                                                                      I'm sorry, when I looked up your info in our database, I came up blank. Kindly let me know what your username was... ?

                                                                                                      Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                      so! where did you acquire your documentation ?
                                                                                                      We've got Model Releases and IDs for all our content. If you'd been over our site with such a fine tooth comb, you'd have realised that. It's not exactly hidden.

                                                                                                      Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                      This image of yours was made by a visitor on a adult message board I frequent!
                                                                                                      He made quite a few and is very talented! Do you have documentation on that image ?
                                                                                                      I hardly think so!
                                                                                                      Post 'his' PSD or STFU. Seriously.


                                                                                                      Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                      Care to continue ?
                                                                                                      I wouldn't if I were you!

                                                                                                      Sincerely
                                                                                                      Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                      Our sites have withstood a lot more scrutiny than the likes of you (IE, lawyers, VISA and ID checks, not FUD and speculation) - and come out clean every time.

                                                                                                      Isn't this what you started your thread for to find legit sites? Or were you just trolling to let us know about your non-id'd content?

                                                                                                      There are a few hours left in our $100 PPS promo. Amuse-toi bien, mon 'tit garage a bites ;)
                                                                                                      Last edited by quantum-x; 04-12-2009, 02:44 PM.
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                                                                                                        • Daddy Big Nuts
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Mar 2002
                                                                                                          • 1080
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Man...this is the best Sunday thread in a while.......

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                                                                                                            • Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                              • Oct 2008
                                                                                                              • 77
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by quantum-x
                                                                                                              We've got Model Releases and IDs for all our content. If you'd been over our site with such a fine tooth comb, you'd have realised that. It's not exactly hidden.


                                                                                                              Post 'his' PSD or STFU. Seriously.

                                                                                                              You STFU content thief!
                                                                                                              All I see from you is a large mouth without one shred of proof!



                                                                                                              Plus you spelled realized wrong! Seriously.


                                                                                                              Sincerely
                                                                                                              Stephanie Hastert

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                                                                                                                • quantum-x
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                  • 6863
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                  You STFU content thief!
                                                                                                                  All I see from you is a large mouth without one shred of proof!



                                                                                                                  Plus you spelled realized wrong! Seriously.


                                                                                                                  Sincerely
                                                                                                                  Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                  Wait.. that's your proof? I was taking you seriously up until now.

                                                                                                                  There's no convincing you. I know we pay our girls thousands of dollars a week for content, and I'm confident that come any inspection, we'd pass with flying colours, as we have under all previous scrutiny.

                                                                                                                  Seriously, latch onto one of the umpteen other sites out there that actually don't have content.

                                                                                                                  PS: Hey spelling nazi: I'm not American, 'realised' is spelled with an 's' ;)
                                                                                                                  I'm out, have a nice night.
                                                                                                                  PrettyInCash.com - BoozedGFs.com - TeenGFs.com - JizzGFs.com- MilfUploads.com -

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                                                                                                                    • Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                      BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                      • 11913
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      as i always say... content should be seen... not heard. every time the content gets uppity, a train wreck of a thread ensues.

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                                                                                                                        • Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                          • Oct 2008
                                                                                                                          • 77
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by quantum-x
                                                                                                                          Wait.. that's your proof? I was taking you seriously up until now.
                                                                                                                          Yes, that is my proof!
                                                                                                                          Not to mention that image was probably altered / created well before you created your website!
                                                                                                                          I was never taking you seriously because I know exactly what your website content consists of. The thing is you know that I know!

                                                                                                                          Originally posted by quantum-x
                                                                                                                          There's no convincing you. I know we pay our girls thousands of dollars a week for content, and I'm confident that come any inspection, we'd pass with flying colours, as we have under all previous scrutiny.

                                                                                                                          Seriously, latch onto one of the umpteen other sites out there that actually don't have content.
                                                                                                                          No there is no convincing me!
                                                                                                                          thousands of dollars a week for content LMAO!
                                                                                                                          Try surfing the internet for content.. oh wait, you already do!

                                                                                                                          I suggested for you to not to continue but your inflated ego kept you coming back for more.
                                                                                                                          Your persistence added a nice blemish to your so-called reputation as well as your website!

                                                                                                                          Originally posted by quantum-x
                                                                                                                          PS: Hey spelling nazi: I'm not American, 'realised' is spelled with an 's' ;)
                                                                                                                          I'm out, have a nice night.
                                                                                                                          I realized that. Most Americans would have taken my indirect suggestion not to continue but that male ego is astonishing.

                                                                                                                          Hope you have a great evening too.

                                                                                                                          Sincerely
                                                                                                                          Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                          Last edited by Stephanie Hastert; 04-12-2009, 04:05 PM.

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                                                                                                                            • Deej
                                                                                                                              I make pixels work
                                                                                                                              • Jun 2005
                                                                                                                              • 24386
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                              Oh really... First of all I do not know you from adam so how can you possibly know what I have researched, read, investigated and or had conversations with?



                                                                                                                              I have done the very same thing!
                                                                                                                              Do you actually think I would create such a touchy topic on one of the most, if not thee most popular webmaster message board in the internet without doing my homework ?



                                                                                                                              So please, do not tell me what I need to be or should be doing.

                                                                                                                              Please answer my question or show me some proof to support the claims
                                                                                                                              that it is legal to make a profit off of non consenting content.



                                                                                                                              You mean to tell me you've chatted with all these people and processors concerning this very topic, PLUS you 'know way more than me' all without knowing of one illegal US gf website ?
                                                                                                                              Thought you knew all about it ?

                                                                                                                              Yes I know of quite-a-few but it seems nobody is answering my question. All I see is a lot of dancing around the original topic question. Respond to my question without thinking you know it all (which runs ramped on this board) and I will respond to yours.

                                                                                                                              Sincerely
                                                                                                                              Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                              your agruments here are all harmlessly hypocritical... you are asking me not to assume like you assumed about me.

                                                                                                                              anyway... no biggie... whoever knows how much ever more dosnt matter...

                                                                                                                              keep on with your crusade, because i dont believe in content theft either...

                                                                                                                              Deej's Designs n' What Not
                                                                                                                              Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching


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                                                                                                                                • TheDoc
                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 13827
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                                  Correction sweetie, I know exactly how this area of the industry works.
                                                                                                                                  It appears you think of yourself as being very informed. As a example, please explain to me how a webmaster can legally use my personal image (taken in my home) on his or her website and make a profit off of it without my consent ?
                                                                                                                                  You stated '10 different solutions'.. please tell me just one using my example.
                                                                                                                                  Sweetie? That's a blessing for me on gfy... as for being informed.. Rather than ragging your ass, I will lend a hand..

                                                                                                                                  You are crossing a problem called copyright with something unrelated called 2257.

                                                                                                                                  2257 is about record keeping, however I don't need the record in my hands. Something you may want to look deeper into.

                                                                                                                                  2257 has nothing to do with the rights of ownership, a different law covers that, called the Copyright Act.

                                                                                                                                  The Copyright Act doesn't make it legal for people to steal and profit from you, but it sure as hell doesn't protect you either.
                                                                                                                                  ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
                                                                                                                                  It's all disambiguation

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                                                                                                                                    • quantum-x
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 6863
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                                      Yes, that is my proof!
                                                                                                                                      Not to mention that image was probably altered / created well before you created your website!
                                                                                                                                      I was never taking you seriously because I know exactly what your website content consists of. The thing is you know that I know!



                                                                                                                                      No there is no convincing me!
                                                                                                                                      thousands of dollars a week for content LMAO!
                                                                                                                                      Try surfing the internet for content.. oh wait, you already do!

                                                                                                                                      I suggested for you to not to continue but your inflated ego kept you coming back for more.
                                                                                                                                      Your persistence added a nice blemish to your so-called reputation as well as your website!



                                                                                                                                      I realized that. Most Americans would have taken my indirect suggestion not to continue but that male ego is astonishing.

                                                                                                                                      Hope you have a great evening too.

                                                                                                                                      Sincerely
                                                                                                                                      Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                                      Dear Stephanie:
                                                                                                                                      Please explain this:

                                                                                                                                      From your own profile page on GFY, we establish you own nakedamateurs.org


                                                                                                                                      We see you're also a poster - interesting keywords, btw. 'Young Teens? Mom and son?' - fuck you.


                                                                                                                                      Incest? Charming. I guess all the content is legit though, right?


                                                                                                                                      Oh, I guess not. Nice to confirm you're an admin there.


                                                                                                                                      I'm sure you've got 2257 for http://www.nakedamateurs.org/nude.html
                                                                                                                                      And http://www.nakedamateurs.org/bbs3/index.php
                                                                                                                                      And http://www.nakedamateurs.org/bbs3/viewforum.php?f=9
                                                                                                                                      And http://www.nakedamateurs.org/bbs3/viewforum.php?f=7

                                                                                                                                      Oh, and you have the licence for celebrity pictures too, right? http://www.nakedamateurs.org/celebrities.html

                                                                                                                                      Oh, btw - even though I've moved servers a bunch of times since tour4 went up, you're still wrong:

                                                                                                                                      - even the latest update to the tour was before your 'proof'.

                                                                                                                                      I might be going out on a limb here, but google is pretty much full of your crap.

                                                                                                                                      I think you're possibly the biggest hypocrite I've ever come across.

                                                                                                                                      Edit: Nice site motto, too (in Thumbzilla font+colours, lol)
                                                                                                                                      AMATEUR PAYSITES ? WHO NEEDS THEM!
                                                                                                                                      HERE AT NAKEDAMATEURS WE GIVE IT ALL AWAY!
                                                                                                                                      Last edited by quantum-x; 04-12-2009, 04:36 PM.
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                                                                                                                                        • mynameisjim
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2007
                                                                                                                                          • 2985
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                                          Sweetie, I've exhausted many hours reading countless pages of 2257 documentation..
                                                                                                                                          You know what I discovered?
                                                                                                                                          Not one 2257 page grants legal authority for the use of private non consenting images for profit.

                                                                                                                                          Please, as I kindly asked thedoc, enlighten me with your wisdom so we can put this topic to rest.

                                                                                                                                          I await your fantastic response too.
                                                                                                                                          Wow, someone called me sweetie. I actually like that even if it was meant to be sarcastic.

                                                                                                                                          But I'm not sure what you want to know? Do you want to know how they can get away with it or are you asking if it is totally legal. Obviously, nude pics without docs are not within the U.S. law, there is no question about that. What I meant was if you study how inspections are actually done you will see why they don't caught up in 2257 violations. As for copyright issues regarding using the photos, the horse left the barn on that one some time ago. If people can steal full movies from huge studios and nothing happens, I doubt little 18 year old Suzie has much recourse after she posts her pics on Myspace.
                                                                                                                                          Last edited by mynameisjim; 04-12-2009, 04:42 PM.
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                                                                                                                                            • Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                              BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 11913
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              haha.. wow

                                                                                                                                              thread closed!





                                                                                                                                              (of course, she's nuts so she'll try to argue and be totally convinced she's right and making sense as she digs a bigger hole for herself)

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                                                                                                                                                • quantum-x
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 6863
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Hey, you should learn to delete work in progress pages.
                                                                                                                                                  Final confirmation:

                                                                                                                                                  PrettyInCash.com - BoozedGFs.com - TeenGFs.com - JizzGFs.com- MilfUploads.com -

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                                                                                                                                                    • Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2008
                                                                                                                                                      • 77
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                      Sweetie? That's a blessing for me on gfy... as for being informed.. Rather than ragging your ass, I will lend a hand..

                                                                                                                                                      You are crossing a problem called copyright with something unrelated called 2257.

                                                                                                                                                      2257 is about record keeping, however I don't need the record in my hands. Something you may want to look deeper into.

                                                                                                                                                      2257 has nothing to do with the rights of ownership, a different law covers that, called the Copyright Act.

                                                                                                                                                      The Copyright Act doesn't make it legal for people to steal and profit from you, but it sure as hell doesn't protect you either.
                                                                                                                                                      Yes! to me you are a sweetie!





                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Deej
                                                                                                                                                      your agruments here are all harmlessly hypocritical... you are asking me not to assume like you assumed about me.

                                                                                                                                                      anyway... no biggie... whoever knows how much ever more dosnt matter...

                                                                                                                                                      keep on with your crusade, because i dont believe in content theft either...

                                                                                                                                                      It's not necessarily a crusade. I was simply inquiring how some gf websites can offer Real amateur gf content without being the copyright holder nor having 2257 documentation. I've accessed many pay websites and noticed they offer the same exact content that I simply give away. I give it away due to the fact that I do not have any documentation for it. If I do not have documentation how do they ? They dont! Their 2257 page is trumped up and there is no custodian of records because there are no records!
                                                                                                                                                      How can they have records of a college girl that posted her dorm room pic way back in 2002 ? They cant!












                                                                                                                                                      LMAO @ quantum-x

                                                                                                                                                      Does it appear that I am actually trying to hide?

                                                                                                                                                      Why would I need 2257 documentation ?
                                                                                                                                                      I am not making a profit off of these images as you are..
                                                                                                                                                      I am not surfing the internet stealing images as you then deciding to create a members area... let alone the images I've posted have far better quality then is offered in your members area!

                                                                                                                                                      Yes! we simply give it all away! I thought of that myself!
                                                                                                                                                      Now you see what I mean.. why on earth would anyone in their right mind join a True amateur gf website when there is a vast amount of free content out there.

                                                                                                                                                      You offer stolen content for profit
                                                                                                                                                      You offer a curly hair girl standing in front of a sink in the bathroom ... Do you know she is 16 ? She resides in the state of Alabama ... I am sure you paid thousands of dollars for that too right ?

                                                                                                                                                      Enjoy the website .. it is quite fantastic to say the least!
                                                                                                                                                      Actually it's better than yours and it's FREE.. because we give it all away!


                                                                                                                                                      Sincerely
                                                                                                                                                      Stephanie Hastert

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                                                                                                                                                        • Deej
                                                                                                                                                          I make pixels work
                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2005
                                                                                                                                                          • 24386
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Quantum-X =

                                                                                                                                                          Deej's Designs n' What Not
                                                                                                                                                          Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching


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                                                                                                                                                            • quantum-x
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 6863
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                                                              You offer stolen content for profit
                                                                                                                                                              You offer a curly hair girl standing in front of a sink in the bathroom ... Do you know she is 16 ? She resides in the state of Alabama ...

                                                                                                                                                              Sincerely
                                                                                                                                                              Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                                                              Are you insinuating what I think you're insinuating?
                                                                                                                                                              I don't give a fuck that you think we're not legit - but to say we push CP?

                                                                                                                                                              Fuck you. Rule 4.
                                                                                                                                                              PrettyInCash.com - BoozedGFs.com - TeenGFs.com - JizzGFs.com- MilfUploads.com -

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                                                                                                                                                                • Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2008
                                                                                                                                                                  • 77
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Deej
                                                                                                                                                                  Quantum-X =
                                                                                                                                                                  I have to admit, he's one of the coolest I've ever seen. Who would ever guess to search my screen name on google ?

                                                                                                                                                                  Who would ever have guessed it would lead to me ? LMAO ... Let alone everything I type is ended with
                                                                                                                                                                  Sincerely
                                                                                                                                                                  Stephanie Hastert ... Wow! that is simply genius!

                                                                                                                                                                  Wow ? he even discovered one of my work in progress pages that I like totally ditched!
                                                                                                                                                                  Why would I want to delete any of my work ? I have killer bandwidth!

                                                                                                                                                                  It still doesn't explain how you can make a profit off of the stolen content you offer in your pay websites members area ?

                                                                                                                                                                  Dont hate because you cant date ...

                                                                                                                                                                  Sincerely
                                                                                                                                                                  Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                                                                  AKA Secret Squirrel

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                                      BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 11913
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      [QUOTE=Stephanie Hastert;15736417]

                                                                                                                                                                      Why would I need 2257 documentation ?
                                                                                                                                                                      you don't because you are not a US Citizen. But you really don't seem to understand that is the only reason you don't and you can't seem to separate any rights you have to content and 2257. they are two totally different issues.

                                                                                                                                                                      I am not making a profit off of these images as you are..
                                                                                                                                                                      yeah... you are. every post, every page has ads on it. you send traffic to sponsors and you get paid. your site is ad supported. you use the content to drive traffic to the ads. in fact, you are the same goofy dumb ass that was harassing one of your sponsors on all the boards for not paying you.


                                                                                                                                                                      You offer a curly hair girl standing in front of a sink in the bathroom ... Do you know she is 16 ? She resides in the state of Alabama.
                                                                                                                                                                      your site is full of the exact same. charging or not charging access doesn't limit any legal liability of you have or grant you any special rights or any rights at all, to the content as the person publishing the content or otherwise exercising direct editorial control over what is published.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2008
                                                                                                                                                                          • 77
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by quantum-x
                                                                                                                                                                          Are you insinuating what I think you're insinuating?
                                                                                                                                                                          I don't give a fuck that you think we're not legit - but to say we push CP?

                                                                                                                                                                          Fuck you. Rule 4.
                                                                                                                                                                          No screw you!
                                                                                                                                                                          You're a lier and I proved you to be a lier!
                                                                                                                                                                          You should have just sat down like a good little boy!

                                                                                                                                                                          Now take a good look around my website and notice all the content that is yet to be in your members area... Oh come on everyone, lets join quantum-x's website and review saturated content that's on just about every message board west of the Mississippi.

                                                                                                                                                                          Click on some links ... even more fantastic content on my partners message boards.

                                                                                                                                                                          There is no way on earth you can compete with my content and partners.. absolutely no way!

                                                                                                                                                                          Have a great evening all!


                                                                                                                                                                          Sincerely
                                                                                                                                                                          Stephanie Hastert

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                                                                                                                                                                            • quantum-x
                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                              • 6863
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                                              (of course, she's nuts so she'll try to argue and be totally convinced she's right and making sense as she digs a bigger hole for herself)
                                                                                                                                                                              You read the future!
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Eric
                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2000
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 8818
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes! to me you are a sweetie!








                                                                                                                                                                                  It's not necessarily a crusade. I was simply inquiring how some gf websites can offer Real amateur gf content without being the copyright holder nor having 2257 documentation. I've accessed many pay websites and noticed they offer the same exact content that I simply give away. I give it away due to the fact that I do not have any documentation for it. If I do not have documentation how do they ? They dont! Their 2257 page is trumped up and there is no custodian of records because there are no records!
                                                                                                                                                                                  How can they have records of a college girl that posted her dorm room pic way back in 2002 ? They cant!












                                                                                                                                                                                  LMAO @ quantum-x

                                                                                                                                                                                  Does it appear that I am actually trying to hide?

                                                                                                                                                                                  Why would I need 2257 documentation ?
                                                                                                                                                                                  I am not making a profit off of these images as you are..
                                                                                                                                                                                  I am not surfing the internet stealing images as you then deciding to create a members area... let alone the images I've posted have far better quality then is offered in your members area!

                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes! we simply give it all away! I thought of that myself!
                                                                                                                                                                                  Now you see what I mean.. why on earth would anyone in their right mind join a True amateur gf website when there is a vast amount of free content out there.

                                                                                                                                                                                  You offer stolen content for profit
                                                                                                                                                                                  You offer a curly hair girl standing in front of a sink in the bathroom ... Do you know she is 16 ? She resides in the state of Alabama ... I am sure you paid thousands of dollars for that too right ?

                                                                                                                                                                                  Enjoy the website .. it is quite fantastic to say the least!
                                                                                                                                                                                  Actually it's better than yours and it's FREE.. because we give it all away!


                                                                                                                                                                                  Sincerely
                                                                                                                                                                                  Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                                                                                  Making a claim such as this with zero proof is grounds for banning. Good Bye!
                                                                                                                                                                                  No One

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • CyberHustler
                                                                                                                                                                                      Masterbaiter
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 28728
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46


                                                                                                                                                                                      Bye Bye!
                                                                                                                                                                                      “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • d-null
                                                                                                                                                                                          . . .
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 13724
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          do you ever get the feeling it might be a good idea to wipe your browser cache after opening some threads?

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • SBJ
                                                                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Fabulous
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 11387
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              the twists in some of these threads are better than daytime soaps!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Stephanie Hastert
                                                                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 77
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Perhaps a screen shot of his members area which displays such ?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Then I would be posting underage content!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  If it's okay by admin, I will with-out hesitation post a screen-shot of it here!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Then he'll be investigated. The sad part is he doesn't even know whats displayed on his pages let alone uploaded on his server!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's really quite sad.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Do you really want to test your luck again ?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am advising you not to!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am certainly not here to assist him in anyway!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am not here to be your friend!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I care about what you think of me as much as you care what I say!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  So you's can swarm around with your pirated DVD's.. stolen content, hidden secret tube sites, lies, threads claiming you have killer ratios when you haven't had a honest sale in days.. Acting like ya's have all the answers .. trashing people as most of you have a grave yard full of skeletons in the closet..
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Vacations in Cancun have turned into running through your sprinkler in the back yard sweating like Al Bundy.. Fancy restaurants are now the drive-thru at Burger King..

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I mean who do you think you're fooling ? For gods sake Steve Lightspeed chooses not to be around here anymore!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  The days of Shanchez peeing off Zilla over a domain was classic!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Now it has come down to picking on Shap over his tube connection.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  In your wildest dreams can any of you fly-by-night people match Shap's success!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Never will this message board be the same!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  The new breed of webmaster is in town and the adult industry is a disaster!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sincerely
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Stephanie Hastert

                                                                                                                                                                                                  PS: Coming this week I will be adding a down blouse section!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Surfers welcome!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • NaughtyRob
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Two fresh affiliate progs
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 29602
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by CyberHustler
                                                                                                                                                                                                      First of all, who are you?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      And, have we seen your tits yet? If not, then you need to get your priorities straight.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Exactly what I was thinking when I read the thread this morning.
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