nation-x

I am seeing alot more Republican commentators start to differentiate themselves from Rush Limbaugh and the like. This morning I read this commentary by John Feehery (a Republican contributor on CNN) that hits the nail on the head. I posted a couple of months ago that this should be the Republican strategy... although, I went a little further and said that they should dump the ideologues because they alienate true Independants and Reagan Democrats. If they do that... they will gain support from the aforementioned groups in greater numbers than the ideologues that they lose.

Full commentary at: http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/...gop/index.html

Here is a perfect example of what I mean when I say that ideologues alienate Independents.

http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904070031?show=1

Whether you support "torture" or not is inconsequential to the point. People who say things like Rush Limbaugh does alienate alot of moderate Republicans as well as the groups I mentioned before. Until Republicans address this basic issue in their party... they will remain a minority.

Pleasurepays

this is because you were never bright enough to understand that "Republicans" do not identify at all with Rush Limbaugh who is nothing more than an entertainer on the radio.

not too long ago (during the stimulus fiasco) some Democrats had a good idea to try to position Limbaugh as the "Leader of the Republican Party" to further marginalize them in the process and you also bought into it hook, line and sinker... and you yourself, can't separate the two.

you're a genius.

seriously.

unbiased. politically astute and very clever and insightful in your analysis.

but in your defense, it must be super annoying to be on the far left, super liberal and know that liberal talk shows on tv or radio get crushed consistently by conservative programs.

nation-x

I don't know where you live... but most of the Republicans I know personally here in NC DO identify with him... and although you might not admit it... many DO accept his ideas of conservatism (which is really neo-conservatism)... but that wasn't the point of my post anyway.

I never said he was the leader of the Republican Party and I am just using him an an example in this post. I am talking about ideologues in general... and don't say they don't believe the things that Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Savage, or O'Reilly say... because they do... I know because I discuss politics with ALOT of different people... not just on boards.

I am not a "far left, super liberal" to begin with and this post had little to do with conservative talk shows.

Pleasurepays

you are saying you are seeing "republican commentators distance themselves from Rush Limbaugh" - whatever that means. I don't recall any republican commentators quick to talk about how they identify with Limbaugh and his views and fail to see where this "shift" could be happening. Sean Hannity is probably the only one that openly speaks well of Limbaugh consistently.

you try to make your point by quoting a discussion between Limbaugh and a caller as something that "alienates independents". That conversation is pretty typical of what he's been doing non stop for well over a decade... so suggesting its somehow new or different or that "independents" are being swayed by his philosophies, is moronic. Everyone knows who and what he is and he certainly isn't "the voice of the republican party" no matter how appealing that idea sounds to you and how much you need big scary monsters to point the finger at to validate and rationalize your own world views.

futhermore, you quote some overtly anti conservative blog as if its an unbiased and objective source of information. there his however, a link on the right side bar to "Donate money to help us in the fight against Conservative Misinformation" for narrow minded people to throw out 10.00 or so, in a protest vote against all things that irritate you.

HerPimp

All the hosts do it for the money, they don't believe the shit that comes out of their own mouth. Now that the democrats are running the show many of the republicans sound like fucking patriots. Same old bullshit...

nation-x

Your right... I should have clarified that more... it should have said ideologues.

I didn't quote the blog... but I quoted the conversation and linked to that article because it contains the actual audio of the conversation.

TheDoc

Like most, I know dems, republicans, and so on... but I have to admit, and I have asked - Nobody I know listens or watches Rush Limbaugh. I don't hang around many 60+ people, I figure that is who is watching Rush.

The entire Rush Limbaugh thing is about as stupid as Republicans loving Reagan so damn much.

Maybe this time the Republicans can go back to the 'failed roots' and try to bring back the Reagan Movement - again... Haha, every time I heard them bring up Reagan, I laughed and laughed.. then cried.


The only problem Republicans have, is they have no idea why they are Republican, or they are because they think it means lower taxes -- haha - And of course Religion. Maybe that is the product of watching people like Rush?

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Sausage

wow the left wing lynch mob vs the right has gotten nasty. I thought it was going to die down after they had supreme power (all 3 areas). Guess I am wrong and they are pushing for a 1 party state.

This is going to be good to watch.

nation-x

My wife and I are active in our local swinger community... I run the club website and we attend events alot... we inevitably start talking politics at some point with almost everyone we talk to and most of the people that attend our club are between the ages of 30 and 50 with higher than average incomes (quite a few are very successful business owners). I would say that more than 80% of them are Republicans and almost all of them told me they are fans of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck or O'Reilly. They are also active members in their churches... it's always funny to me that they are all of those things AND swingers.

nation-x

Noone is pushing for a "one party state"... but every week I here more and more whacked out shit from people... more recently, we had a preacher come to our house and he was promoting political involvement in the form of religious warfare... and I am not joking. They were involved with this group: http://www.globalharvest.org/

Rangermoore

Just another liberal attack on the right....

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nation-x

A liberal Republican? Did you even read the OP?

PseudoPrime

Fuckin' commie..

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Tom_PM

The limbaugh caller made the most sense out of all the people's words I read. He's trying to point out that at SOME POINT, common sense HAS to assert itself through the nonsense.

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nation-x

Your correct... and it is why I chose that as an example... here is a Republican (or Independent) who obviously doesn't think that torture is proper for America to be doing in any sense and objects to the wingnut view that it's ok.

Tom_PM

Yeah. I mean, I dont mind opposing views to my own or others or whatever else. But dont get on tv or radio and tell me a green eyed alien is forcing obama to to mate with alien females and act like it's believable.

For instance this morning on msnbc I flipped on while coffee was brewing, and here's a typical rep pundit saying how Biden has been wrong on iraq and if Biden were president, Iraq would be a "disaster" by now and Afghanistan would also be a disaster by now. And this was his response to Biden's response to Cheney's comment about america's safety! What in the fuck?

Where's the "country first" people to beat him down and say fuck you, if you say you think we're weak and we should fail then get the fuck out of our country. Country first my ass, those jerk offs dont give a damn about the country, "Republicans Only" should be their slogan. Real republicans should emerge at some point to beat down these destructive voices. Sour grapes is the mildest way to describe them.

Right now This idiot on tv is saying that cheney is saying exactly what he SHOULD be saying by "sounding the alarm". Excuse me? Does dickwad cheney have some sort of fore knowledge that someone is going to attack america? Someone should go round him up and interrogate him evidently huh? This bullshit is too much.

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kane

Right now the republican party is fractured. They just got their asses handed to them in back to back elections and now the party is basically sitting in two different camps. There are some republicans who want to take the party further to the right. They want to full on wage the culture war and they want to go after the hard religious right to regain their base. These are the limbaugh/palin republicans. There is also some that want to drop some of the social stuff and focus on getting back to what the republican party used to me about which is spending less money, smaller government and more state/local government freedom. They are still pro-life and still have some of the social beliefs, but they don't want to hit people over the head with them. These are the Romney/Guliani republicans and there are still others that are starting to pull in a more libertarian way and look to people like Ron Paul as guide.

It is no different than what the democrats went through after the republicans took power. The democrats, however, never really found a voice until recently and that voice was basically, "we aren't them." They pointed the finger at the republicans and claimed they could do a better job and since things were fucked up it worked.

So the republican party either has to find a common ground or they have to wait until Obama and the democrats fuck up and lose their popularity. Either way they aren't going to be an effective party for a while to come.

_Richard_

always wondered how nazi germany and the like came about.. people like this

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