I really appreciate the helpful info you have shared here. This is the kind of thing that can bring some clarity and insight into these issues.

Also, it looks like you are doing things well and it is paying off for you!

Why is it always people that don't own a tube site and have little to no tube traffic that are always jumping in with their two cents no matter how ignorant it is?

Tube site's don't sell memberships. Freeloaders never convert. Yada yada yada.

Some of you are so naive it's almost shocking.

maybe they don't want to make money indeed.

maybe they only want to see what's in people's head by supervising the search queries...

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but it is different to say that youtube generated 10 mil a day in hard sales versus we sold so much ad space to oursleves.

They obviously aren't interested in monetizing it for the time being using traditional strategies like selling tons of ad placements on the site.:2 cents:

Since you asked, I'll tell you. If I came on here and asked nicely for information on this issue...the post would have dropped off the radar in two point five seconds, assuming I wasn't instantly flamed.

Now, I didn't pull a huge stunt like some of our more famous and/or banned members, but by simply asserting an opinion I've gotten some good feedback and learned a few things.

To those who provided good feedback, and to those who dissented but provided factual references instead of smack talk: Thank you! Those of us who are here to learn really appreciate your time and effort.

Oh, and hate to point this out, but this thread has some damn good business information and discussion in it...which helps to quash my ignorance and hopefully helped some other folks too.

This thread also let me know a few more names of folks who have good information as well as good attitudes. When they post I'll be much more inclined to check out their threads and see what they have to say.

Hope that clears things up for you a bit, and just for the record you seem to have a good bit of knowledge, but you usually don't share anything more than a snarky comment.

Hope it makes you feel better, but it doesn't help any of us naive folks :)

No .... they .... aren't.


I run a porn tube site, and they are nothing fucking like mainstream tube sites.

When a site is that size other things come into play and its not just about the benjamins...

This is the thing that just cracks me up about this business.

Every day someone comes in here and asks for basically a roadmap to success.
Hey tell me about your site and how much money you make and what things work and don't work.

In what other business do people try this without being laughed out of the fucking room?

The information you get from these requests is more likely to be misinformation than anything else. Who the hell wants to educate their potential competition?

Unless you have a friend already doing well in this biz, then it's going to be trial and error, just like it was for the rest of us. :2 cents:

To expand on this a bit.


There was a time, many years ago, when affiliate reps were pretty knowledgeable and could help a newbie along.
This was back when margins were huge and programs could afford to pay 100K+ per year to have outstanding reps. It was in their interest to help the newbs because some newbs would eventually become whales and remain loyal to the program.

These days that doesn't exist anymore. Margins are slim and there are no dollars to be had from newbie affiliates, only pennies.

There was a time when a newbie affiliate had a pretty good chance at becoming very successful if they worked hard and learned the ropes. Nowadays, your chances of succeeding here are pretty much the same as they are in any business. Very few will make it.

If 100 newbs start sites today, in 6 months 90 of them won't be here. In 6 more months, only 2 or 3 of the remaining 10 will be left, and only 1 of them will have any significant amount of traffic/signups.
It's just not worth it anymore to try and cultivate newbie affiliates on the off chance that the guy you're talking to will be that 1 guy.

Although I'm sure a bunch of failed webmasters.....errr sorry, affiliate reps will come in here and pay lip service to how much they're willing to help newbies, the people those programs have hired to help you are as clueless as you. They just answer requests for banners and content etc.
Do you really think a guy who takes a job for $400-500 per week can teach you how to make 10K+ per month? Does that make any sense at all?

Programs are putting their money into building up their own traffic sources internally, because that's the future.

Fiddy tube myths

The "fact" that google makes no money from youtube is probably wrong at all.

I have already posted a couple of posts that explain how tube traffic volume fits in developing hosting business (use the search function).

In short, google gets a HUGE price drop on their datacenter and bandwidth costs. The price drop for all the other projects the company has, is enough to make it for the youtube site "loses".

I doubt that youtube is making it for money loss if you take into account google as a whole. The project itself may be a money sink, but having lots of other projects benefit from its resources makes the entire difference and probably ends being profitable.

You can read in another thread of mines about how my company saved lots of money by running a tube site that delivers porn but it's resources are used for completely different stuff meanwhile.

Synergy... it's all about it :)

that and youtube cross promotes videos for pay. Many of the recommended videoes pay a fee per viewing for the keywords that they tag their video.

none of which is counted when an outside firm is looking at the ad views.

I hear that. No one knows for certain that Youtube doesn't make money. It's always some analyst saying they don't think Youtube makes money.

People have always shared porn, made remixes and reencoded videos. The usenet was always full of this. Due to the nerdy character and the special knowledge that you usually need to have to access the usenet, it did not catch on in such a large scale.

The tube sites are only a medium for the surfers that was missing. And they are going nowhere, either.

I have started to experiment with some of the tubes. All of the ones I tried monitor all of their uploads. Why do they do that? Some do it to protect themselves from child pornography. Others will not approve any user uploads and only upload their own videos. Unfortunately, the transparency in this system is zero, both for webmasters and surfers. I thought for example that tube8 is filled with stolen content. But they did not approve a single one of my uploads, which means they are either uploading their own DVD rips or use licensed content. And I simply don't have a way to know.

What people are missing is that a market instrument should be suitable for the audience that visits the site. As I explained above, surfers expect from tube sites to find uploaded video scenes. If you upload 30 second clips to your tube, you do not offer the surfer what they expect.

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