I"m outing Tim Youngs and http://www.ammediainc.com/... they have Stolen $25K - GoFuckYourself.com

sperbonzo · 03-11-2009, 10:53 AM

So after talking to some people, I decided to out these guys.

The money was sent to Tim Youngs at http://www.ammediainc.com in error in Nov 08, and they promised repeatedly to send it back, and still.... nothing.

.

BradM · 03-11-2009, 10:55 AM

That looks like a classy and legitimate business right there.

MetaMan · 03-11-2009, 10:57 AM

how the fuck did you accidentally send $25k? are you an idiot?

i hope you get your cash back but honestly.

PS both your designs suck

stickyfingerz · 03-11-2009, 10:59 AM

tops gis.

jmcb420 · 03-11-2009, 11:01 AM

Thats alot of cash........

RadicalSights · 03-11-2009, 11:04 AM

Sory to hear of your loss. Not sure how you got involved with these people but there's def alot more credible people you could have been working with to begin with.

junction · 03-11-2009, 11:09 AM

Please explain how you accidently send someone 25k.

sperbonzo · 03-11-2009, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by junction

Please explain how you accidently send someone 25k.

We send tons of wires every week.

No excuse.... but even banks make mistakes.

WiredGuy · 03-11-2009, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

We send tons of wires every week.

No excuse.... but even banks make mistakes.

If the bank made the mistake they should fix it at their expense or I'd go after the bank.
WG

TheLegacy · 03-11-2009, 11:13 AM

Seems odd that you would send that much money to a company - then realize it was a mistake. Sounds more like you paid them to do a job, then either they did it and you didn't like it and wanted the money back OR they simply never worked on the project OR last minute you changed your mind to use them and didn't realize that you couldn't get the money back. I never heard of them - but I still don't see how anyone can either mail a check (can be stopped) or wired it, which means that enough people were involved to have the right info in place. Just sounds odd.

either way - need more details as over the years on GFY I have learned, there are always two sides to any story.

LiveDose · 03-11-2009, 11:14 AM

At least you outed them. Make sure this thread gets bumped daily. And put a link to this thread in your sig.

BAKO · 03-11-2009, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveDose

At least you outed them. Make sure this thread gets bumped daily. And put a link to this thread in your sig.

I dont think they post or give a shit about this place

fuzebox · 03-11-2009, 11:17 AM

I can totally see how it can happen, anyone who sends a lot of regular wires knows what a pain it is with the forms and templates... Mistakes happen.

Forest · 03-11-2009, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WWC-Bako

I dont think they post or give a shit about this place

i think there was just an article or somehting about them in avn so if they dont know about this place they should

jmcb420 · 03-11-2009, 11:20 AM

That was in nov. 08, even if there was a mistake made in sending it, by now it should have been sent back. Thats pretty shitty.

RadicalSights · 03-11-2009, 11:23 AM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=7364009

fraggle

Tom_PM · 03-11-2009, 11:23 AM

I once visited my bank in person because there was a deposit on my statement for less than 1 dollar that I didnt make. I complained to them and they were just stunned that anyone would do such a thing as to bring it to their attention, let alone complain when they wouldnt remove it.
Sometimes it's hard to know what planet you're on isn't it.

LiveDose · 03-11-2009, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WWC-Bako

I dont think they post or give a shit about this place

Well, they have a lot of references to 'adult' so someone who works there or a client will certainly point them to this thread at some point if they don't surf here. Otherwise this thread may pop up in the SE's.

Either way it is a much better start then all the jellyfish who come to this board and bitch and complain about a company or individual but are too pussy to post who it is.

TheLegacy · 03-11-2009, 11:24 AM

Ok I just read the other thread you have and here is your reason

"Unfortunately, It was really our fault. I had hired them to do a job for $4k about in Oct 08. They really didn't do the job, but whatever. Unfortunately I have had the experience before of paying up front for work that doesn't get done.

In any case, about a month later, I was wiring $25k to a processor in the EU. I was rushed as I was leaving that day for a show and I grabbed the wrong template. The money was sent instead to this design firm. I didn't realize it until several days later.

When we contacted them they promised to send the money back. They still haven't up to now.

I don't think that lawyers will be much help here... I need more underhanded and painful ways to get to these guys.

Anyone?

p.s. Go ahead and call me an idiot, I call myself one all the time about this."

--------------

I do hope that you have a letter from the company stating that the money was indeed sent in error - that will hold up in court. If so then legally you can go after them on their own admission it was sent incorrectly. It's not the banks fault nor anyone elses.

Yet the letter you have from them (if I exists) clearly shows that they intend to pay it back and that it was a mistake. Check with a lawyer now - as far as outing them - sadly GFY I don't think will help too much in hurting their reputation as Im sure they have other sources of leads. Since so much time has lapsed I don't believe the bank will do anything - unless they are good and offer to investigate the matter. there is no way to "hurt" them also as then they can go after you legally if it is found out, and posting a thread is evidence now that you intend on harming them or slandering them somehow, and that won't help you out.

Lawyers letters and showing their letter to a judge then serve them is the only route now in hopes to get anything back - but sadly I fear this falls under the category of being your fault and they legally have no reason to give the money back (unless they have said they would in a letter to you).

JFK · 03-11-2009, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WWC-Bako

I dont think they post or give a shit about this place

they may give a shit or know about this one though, post the info there Michael

http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum...isplay.php?f=2

WarChild · 03-11-2009, 11:28 AM

Doesn't your bank ask you to go over the wire and sign it? I send a lot of wires and they always ask me to do this at each of my banks. I actually read it over too to make certain.

Phoenix · 03-11-2009, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild

Doesn't your bank ask you to go over the wire and sign it? I send a lot of wires and they always ask me to do this at each of my banks. I actually read it over too to make certain.

yeah my bank makes me jump up and down and do a back flip through a flaming hoop to send a wire.

but they said if i fillin some forms and some other jazz i can do it over fax...or automate it somewhat...so maybe that is what he did

Forest · 03-11-2009, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix

yeah my bank makes me jump up and down and do a back flip through a flaming hoop to send a wire.

but they said if i fillin some forms and some other jazz i can do it over fax...or automate it somewhat...so maybe that is what he did

i can usually send a wire with a phone call and the proper info needed

NetHorse · 03-11-2009, 11:56 AM

APP once accidentally sent me a pretty big wire, so it's possible. $25K is a lot of $$$, you should have contact both banks as well as local authorities, I'd even make a trip down there and talk to this guy in person.

Puremeds-J · 03-11-2009, 11:57 AM

I'll accidently take 25k

DaddyHalbucks · 03-11-2009, 12:01 PM

Damn, now it all makes sense. So that's why they had that big party at their place with all the live music, free booze, and strippers. I thought they were being a little free with the champagne and hors d'oeuvres that night.

Just kidding! Hope you get this resolved.

rowan · 03-11-2009, 12:05 PM

I've been accidentally wired another client's funds (in addition to my own) at a processor before, to the tune of about $5k. I did the honest thing and got my bank to reverse the second wire.

Sly · 03-11-2009, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild

Doesn't your bank ask you to go over the wire and sign it? I send a lot of wires and they always ask me to do this at each of my banks. I actually read it over too to make certain.

You can sign an authorization of sorts that allows you to send wires over the phone with a password. At least my bank does.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-11-2009, 01:14 PM

I know Tim for years, never did business with him, but I always had a good impression about him and respect his work and brains.

I'll forward him this thread so he can come up with something sensible.

Ozarkz · 03-11-2009, 01:15 PM

Keeping a incorrect wire for $25k that's balls.

JFK · 03-11-2009, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozarkz

Keeping a incorrect wire for $25k that's balls.

yup , pretty big ones

VikingStar · 03-11-2009, 01:22 PM

I dont know but whenever I send over 3k to someone I check everything twice before pushing the button. Not to mention if I would send 25k.
I dont want to heart your feelings, but yea you are an idiot ;-)

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-11-2009, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VikingStar

I dont want to heart your feelings, but yea you are an idiot ;-)

fris · 03-11-2009, 01:30 PM

Ive used a lot of design companies over the years, and have never heard of them

sperbonzo · 03-11-2009, 01:34 PM

Looks like they also own a program...

http://www.perversionpays.com/

Does anyone send them traffic?

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-11-2009, 01:50 PM

I just spoke with Tim,

He has an extremely valid point and will resolve this at the earliest convenience.

He doesn't want to get into any gfy meltdown thread though.

JFK · 03-11-2009, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

I just spoke with Tim,

He has an extremely valid point and will resolve this at the earliest convenience.

He doesn't want to get into any gfy meltdown thread though.

WELL?????????????????? What's the point ?

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-11-2009, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Looks like they also own a program...

http://www.perversionpays.com/

Does anyone send them traffic?

I'm not a judge here,

but you should leave this out of the boards and not attack any of their properties.

All I'm gonna say, it's not my problem, it's yours.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-11-2009, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

WELL?????????????????? What's the point ?

If you send me your icq I can tell you.

cb (at) bigsistermedia (dot) net

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-11-2009, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WWC-Bako

I dont think they post or give a shit about this place

Never, they're making their money in mainstream.

sperbonzo · 03-11-2009, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

If you send me your icq I can tell you.

cb (at) bigsistermedia (dot) net

*cough cough* More to the point.... do you think you could tell ME?

It is my money after all...............

.

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-11-2009, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

*cough cough* More to the point.... do you think you could tell ME?

It is my money after all...............

.

This is between you and him.

I'm not the judge and can care less about your problems.

sperbonzo · 03-11-2009, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

I'm not a judge here,

but you should leave this out of the boards and not attack any of their properties.

All I'm gonna say, it's not my problem, it's yours.

I'd be happy to rescind what I'm saying if things change..... I would love to hear the valid point as to why Tim has still not sent back a penny in 4 months. Somehow if there was something he wanted I'm thinking he could get it done faster than that...

Don't you?

Penthouse Tony · 03-11-2009, 02:10 PM

Hope you get your money back Sperber

CarlosTheGaucho · 03-11-2009, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I'd be happy to rescind what I'm saying if things change..... I would love to hear the valid point as to why Tim has still not sent back a penny in 4 months. Somehow if there was something he wanted I'm thinking he could get it done faster than that...

Don't you?

I will not do anything in this without his prior approval,

Sorry.

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 03-11-2009, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Looks like they also own a program...

http://www.perversionpays.com/

Does anyone send them traffic?

There's big money in sending traffic to parked pages....

LukieD · 03-11-2009, 02:24 PM

Might find some useful info here: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTax...cy/DG_10023133

https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp - "Money Claim Online (MCOL) is Her Majesty's Courts Service Internet based service for claimants and defendants."

Good luck!

WarChild · 03-11-2009, 02:25 PM

Carlos why do you keep posting when you have nothing to say? Just shut the fuck up already.

Fletch XXX · 03-11-2009, 02:25 PM

relax everyone, carlos is gonna settle this

any problem in the world, one phone call from TheGauch and things change!

JamesK · 03-11-2009, 02:29 PM

mmm... popcorn

03-11-2009, 10:53 AM	#1
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	I"m outing Tim Youngs and http://www.ammediainc.com/... they have Stolen $25K So after talking to some people, I decided to out these guys. The money was sent to Tim Youngs at http://www.ammediainc.com in error in Nov 08, and they promised repeatedly to send it back, and still.... nothing. . __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

03-11-2009, 11:01 AM	#5
jmcb420 So Fucking Drunk Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,155	Thats alot of cash........ __________________ I'm funner than AIDS, and easier to explain to your parents.

03-11-2009, 11:04 AM	#6
RadicalSights So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Europe Posts: 1,595	Sory to hear of your loss. Not sure how you got involved with these people but there's def alot more credible people you could have been working with to begin with. Last edited by RadicalSights; 03-11-2009 at 11:05 AM..

03-11-2009, 11:13 AM	#10
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,542	Seems odd that you would send that much money to a company - then realize it was a mistake. Sounds more like you paid them to do a job, then either they did it and you didn't like it and wanted the money back OR they simply never worked on the project OR last minute you changed your mind to use them and didn't realize that you couldn't get the money back. I never heard of them - but I still don't see how anyone can either mail a check (can be stopped) or wired it, which means that enough people were involved to have the right info in place. Just sounds odd. either way - need more details as over the years on GFY I have learned, there are always two sides to any story. __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

03-11-2009, 11:14 AM	#11
LiveDose Show Yer Tits! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Out there... Posts: 25,792	At least you outed them. Make sure this thread gets bumped daily. And put a link to this thread in your sig. __________________ Scammer Alert: acer19 acer [email protected] [email protected] Money stolen using PayPal

03-11-2009, 10:55 AM	#2
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	That looks like a classy and legitimate business right there.

03-11-2009, 10:57 AM	#3
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	how the fuck did you accidentally send $25k? are you an idiot? i hope you get your cash back but honestly. PS both your designs suck

03-11-2009, 10:59 AM	#4
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,984	tops gis.

03-11-2009, 11:09 AM	#7
junction Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,411	Please explain how you accidently send someone 25k.

03-11-2009, 11:17 AM	#13
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,227	I can totally see how it can happen, anyone who sends a lot of regular wires knows what a pain it is with the forms and templates... Mistakes happen.

03-11-2009, 11:20 AM	#15
jmcb420 So Fucking Drunk Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,155	That was in nov. 08, even if there was a mistake made in sending it, by now it should have been sent back. Thats pretty shitty. __________________ I'm funner than AIDS, and easier to explain to your parents.

03-11-2009, 11:23 AM	#16
RadicalSights So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Europe Posts: 1,595	http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=7364009 fraggle

03-11-2009, 11:23 AM	#17
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	I once visited my bank in person because there was a deposit on my statement for less than 1 dollar that I didnt make. I complained to them and they were just stunned that anyone would do such a thing as to bring it to their attention, let alone complain when they wouldnt remove it. Sometimes it's hard to know what planet you're on isn't it. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

03-11-2009, 11:24 AM	#19
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,542	Ok I just read the other thread you have and here is your reason "Unfortunately, It was really our fault. I had hired them to do a job for $4k about in Oct 08. They really didn't do the job, but whatever. Unfortunately I have had the experience before of paying up front for work that doesn't get done. In any case, about a month later, I was wiring $25k to a processor in the EU. I was rushed as I was leaving that day for a show and I grabbed the wrong template. The money was sent instead to this design firm. I didn't realize it until several days later. When we contacted them they promised to send the money back. They still haven't up to now. I don't think that lawyers will be much help here... I need more underhanded and painful ways to get to these guys. Anyone? p.s. Go ahead and call me an idiot, I call myself one all the time about this." -------------- I do hope that you have a letter from the company stating that the money was indeed sent in error - that will hold up in court. If so then legally you can go after them on their own admission it was sent incorrectly. It's not the banks fault nor anyone elses. Yet the letter you have from them (if I exists) clearly shows that they intend to pay it back and that it was a mistake. Check with a lawyer now - as far as outing them - sadly GFY I don't think will help too much in hurting their reputation as Im sure they have other sources of leads. Since so much time has lapsed I don't believe the bank will do anything - unless they are good and offer to investigate the matter. there is no way to "hurt" them also as then they can go after you legally if it is found out, and posting a thread is evidence now that you intend on harming them or slandering them somehow, and that won't help you out. Lawyers letters and showing their letter to a judge then serve them is the only route now in hopes to get anything back - but sadly I fear this falls under the category of being your fault and they legally have no reason to give the money back (unless they have said they would in a letter to you). __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

03-11-2009, 11:28 AM	#21
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Doesn't your bank ask you to go over the wire and sign it? I send a lot of wires and they always ask me to do this at each of my banks. I actually read it over too to make certain. __________________ .

03-11-2009, 11:56 AM	#24
NetHorse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,526	APP once accidentally sent me a pretty big wire, so it's possible. $25K is a lot of $$$, you should have contact both banks as well as local authorities, I'd even make a trip down there and talk to this guy in person. __________________ ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐ ICQ # 427013273

03-11-2009, 11:57 AM	#25
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03-11-2009, 12:01 PM	#26
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	Damn, now it all makes sense. So that's why they had that big party at their place with all the live music, free booze, and strippers. I thought they were being a little free with the champagne and hors d'oeuvres that night. Just kidding! Hope you get this resolved. __________________ Boner Money

03-11-2009, 12:05 PM	#27
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I've been accidentally wired another client's funds (in addition to my own) at a processor before, to the tune of about $5k. I did the honest thing and got my bank to reverse the second wire.

03-11-2009, 01:14 PM	#29
CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,527	I know Tim for years, never did business with him, but I always had a good impression about him and respect his work and brains. I'll forward him this thread so he can come up with something sensible. __________________ CTG Media \| TG: carl_boro \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles\|

03-11-2009, 01:15 PM	#30
Ozarkz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,377	Keeping a incorrect wire for $25k that's balls.

03-11-2009, 01:22 PM	#32
VikingStar Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Posts: 86,312 Posts: 190	I dont know but whenever I send over 3k to someone I check everything twice before pushing the button. Not to mention if I would send 25k. I dont want to heart your feelings, but yea you are an idiot ;-) __________________ .

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03-11-2009, 01:34 PM	#35
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	Looks like they also own a program... http://www.perversionpays.com/ Does anyone send them traffic? __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber

03-11-2009, 01:50 PM	#36
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03-11-2009, 02:25 PM	#48
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Carlos why do you keep posting when you have nothing to say? Just shut the fuck up already. __________________ .

03-11-2009, 02:25 PM	#49
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