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Marino exits the argument for simply not being a WINNER, nobody cares what records you own if you don't take your team to a title.
Elway nearly fell into the Dan Marino file except late in his career a big man named Davis carried his ass to the promised land.
I am a HUGE Montana fan and without a doubt he's the only man that has a real argument for being better than Favre. Montana is the ultimate winner with ice water running through his veins. He also played on without a doubt the greatest team of his era with nobody even coming close. I just can't rid myself of him limping around in a brace in a chiefs uniform but bringing that sorry ass team to the playoffs.
Manning and Brady will deserve being in that argument in the near future.
Simple fact is remove a couple of Favres late seasons, have him retire a few years ago and he's way higher on everybody's lists of top QB's. He greatly harmed his legacy in his later years and that insane collapse with the Jets and the divorce with the pack.
With Favre it just depends on if "fun" enters your rankings. I've never enjoyed AND hated watching a player more. Montana and Brady are both alike but are fairly robot like and and predictable. They are conservatives who are afraid to chuck the ball down the field. Montana was a great short yardage QB that nickel and dimed you on yardage but he didn't have the "gun" of an Elway or Favre. Elway became a champ when he LOST his gunslinger ways. If Favre could have lost his gunslinger ways the Jets may have gone to the Super Bowl just like the year before the Pack would have if Favre wouldn't have been trying to rocket shit in there like he used to. If Favre could have pulled an Elway the Pack quite possibly would have gone back to back champs since they really had a LOT of talent on both sides of the ball.-- QUOTE ME IT MAKES ME FEEL SPECIAL --Comment
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I hope the Bucs get him.No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
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Actually the deal was after Millen was fired and yes these are guys that were there before but Millen made it clear he was calling ALL of the shots and had final say on everything.
So far with what the new guys did to the Cowboys I have some hope with them. I don't like some of the cuts they made but overall they seem to be making solid trades and cut some cap space in some ways that for the most part made sense. I expected some form of major free agent but maybe they want to model themselves like the Packers did and grow with inhouse talent.-- QUOTE ME IT MAKES ME FEEL SPECIAL --Comment
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Don't forget Cutler says the owner promised him the offensive coaches would stay which the owner later denied.He'll get paid regardless. McDaniels is fuck, plain and simple. He's going to fuck that team up and be hated there in two years.
They made some huge mistakes. Most QB's are crybabies, just part of the job.
All he ever wanted was to be told he was their go to guy, they would never do that. And when they got rid of Shanny he was told by the owner straight up he has nothing to worry about.
He feels lied to, and not trusted. And the coach totally just gave ego to him. McDaniels is more concerned with everyone knowing it's his show to run, and not making the team happy.
Firing Shannahan was something that shocked the hell out of me and I'm sure it shocked everybody on the team. Shanny is simply a coaching legend. He's a shitty GM for the most part but a GOOD coach. I think the owner had to fire the GM but it happened to be his coach too. I think they should have at least made sure they had a capable coach in the wings before firing shanny. Cutler is coming off a great season and he has no faith in the young coach so he wants out. a LOT of shit happened in the offices at Denver this off season. I don't think ANY teams are going to be jumping all over Cutler right now. They all know they longer they wait the more Cutler will bend the Broncos over and a better deal can be had.
Anybody who doesn't think Cutler is in control of this situation is on CRACK! 9ers are out for sure, SIngletary is not the kind of coach Cutler wants. I wish SIngletary was coach of the Lions thats for sure. In the end Cutler signing an extension with the new team is what controls the entire trade. If Cutler can't work a deal with the bucs he won't go there, I seriously doubt he wants to deal with the PITA bears fans. They are just as loud and annoying as Philly fans. I think the Bears are gonna hold out for mcnabb.-- QUOTE ME IT MAKES ME FEEL SPECIAL --Comment
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agree with ya for sure... Gruden is exactly the coach Cutler would love. The new staff has too many question marks.
Fox sports possibilities of where cutler can go didn't include the Vikings WTF! I really think T-Jack is a joke and they badly need to upgrade a QB. Hell even talking Favre out of retirement would be a huge upgrade for them. Vikings with a QB means top 5 team easy! Shit when that running game gets going they're a top 5 team no matter who's under center.-- QUOTE ME IT MAKES ME FEEL SPECIAL --Comment
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There was no way he can change his style of play at this late in his career. Once Holmgram left GB it was over, because Brett lost the guy that made him great and could chew his ass. He let his mechanics go to shit and was to big of a star to listen to anyone else. All he had left was his Gunslinger ways. By the middle of last season age really caught up with him his arm was so tired he didn't even have that. He was through.Comment
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mcnabb would last about 3 mins in chicago, they don't like big name qb's there. they never ever have.Don't forget Cutler says the owner promised him the offensive coaches would stay which the owner later denied.
Firing Shannahan was something that shocked the hell out of me and I'm sure it shocked everybody on the team. Shanny is simply a coaching legend. He's a shitty GM for the most part but a GOOD coach. I think the owner had to fire the GM but it happened to be his coach too. I think they should have at least made sure they had a capable coach in the wings before firing shanny. Cutler is coming off a great season and he has no faith in the young coach so he wants out. a LOT of shit happened in the offices at Denver this off season. I don't think ANY teams are going to be jumping all over Cutler right now. They all know they longer they wait the more Cutler will bend the Broncos over and a better deal can be had.
Anybody who doesn't think Cutler is in control of this situation is on CRACK! 9ers are out for sure, SIngletary is not the kind of coach Cutler wants. I wish SIngletary was coach of the Lions thats for sure. In the end Cutler signing an extension with the new team is what controls the entire trade. If Cutler can't work a deal with the bucs he won't go there, I seriously doubt he wants to deal with the PITA bears fans. They are just as loud and annoying as Philly fans. I think the Bears are gonna hold out for mcnabb.
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As Tony pointed out earlier......the new system in Tampa is a perfect fit for Cutler. The old one focused on 3-4 yard passes, which is a total waste of Cutler's cannon arm. The new O spreads things out and looks to create mis-matches down the field.
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Based on that logic Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Marino, and Archie Manning sucked.
Gimme a fucking break.
How about the fact that Miami would have been 6-10 instead of 10-6 for alot of those years without Marino, especially late in his career.
You can't cherry pick parts of a guy's career to call him the greatest of all time. That's total bullshit.
Also, if he retired a few years ago, then he wouldn't have broken any of Marino's records....records that took Favre alot more games/attempts to do than Marino did.
Hey at least you know it can't get any worse. Although really if the owner wasn't such a cheapskate he would have brought in all new front office staff. He just didn't want to pay all those guys for not working like he has to do with Marinelli and Millen.Actually the deal was after Millen was fired and yes these are guys that were there before but Millen made it clear he was calling ALL of the shots and had final say on everything.
So far with what the new guys did to the Cowboys I have some hope with them. I don't like some of the cuts they made but overall they seem to be making solid trades and cut some cap space in some ways that for the most part made sense. I expected some form of major free agent but maybe they want to model themselves like the Packers did and grow with inhouse talent.
Well you've obviously chosen sides....since you've passed judgement on a coach who hasn't coached his first game yet, and praised a QB because "he busted his ass to show he was a top QB".....as if he was supposed to do something else for the $48 million contract he got?
As if he hasn't been playing for his next contract since he got there. Oh he just selflessly busted his ass and now the big bad broncos don't want him anymore. Cry me a river.
If you could be a little more objective you'd see that this was a carefully orchestrated thing by Cutler and his agent...who have been trying to get out of Denver ever since Shannahan and Jeremy Bates were let go.....and the trade discussions about Cassell were just his excuse for publicly lobbying for a trade.
McDaniels only considered the trade BECAUSE Cutler had already told the Broncos he wanted out of there.
The rest of it is just theater.
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You have your mind made up as well it seemsBased on that logic Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Marino, and Archie Manning sucked.
Gimme a fucking break.
How about the fact that Miami would have been 6-10 instead of 10-6 for alot of those years without Marino, especially late in his career.
You can't cherry pick parts of a guy's career to call him the greatest of all time. That's total bullshit.
Also, if he retired a few years ago, then he wouldn't have broken any of Marino's records....records that took Favre alot more games/attempts to do than Marino did.
Hey at least you know it can't get any worse. Although really if the owner wasn't such a cheapskate he would have brought in all new front office staff. He just didn't want to pay all those guys for not working like he has to do with Marinelli and Millen.
Well you've obviously chosen sides....since you've passed judgement on a coach who hasn't coached his first game yet, and praised a QB because "he busted his ass to show he was a top QB".....as if he was supposed to do something else for the $48 million contract he got?
As if he hasn't been playing for his next contract since he got there. Oh he just selflessly busted his ass and now the big bad broncos don't want him anymore. Cry me a river.
If you could be a little more objective you'd see that this was a carefully orchestrated thing by Cutler and his agent...who have been trying to get out of Denver ever since Shannahan and Jeremy Bates were let go.....and the trade discussions about Cassell were just his excuse for publicly lobbying for a trade.
McDaniels only considered the trade BECAUSE Cutler had already told the Broncos he wanted out of there.
The rest of it is just theater.
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