Shit I have to dissagree with Amp. I'm for it now :(



If I recall my basic electronics training, doesn't a thicker cable have more resistance? Ergo, a smaller copper conductor will be less lossy?

Add to the fact that a DSL line is just for that one purpose and does not have to carry X amount of channels over different freqencies, then you should have a cleaner signal (which is, to my understanding, the basic problem with cable as it stands now).



Not so sadly. It DOES depend on where you live and is slightly dependand on distance to the nearest node. The UK, for instance, still has a lot of areas without cable.



It is limited by distance, but not for the same reasons as DSL is. DSL is dependant on the distance to the exchange that's capable of swithcing a DSL line and that distance is a lot shorter than a cable to node requirement.

You can sometimes get cable in the boondocks for instance where you cannot get DSL, but there's still a distance requirement.



Again, not true. Check dslreports.com for some really bad cable networks. Oversubscription is a major problem even in small cities, and frequently my cable connection drops for no reason or is slower than dialup.

Depends on what upstream/downstream you're talking here. Most cable co's now work on the 128 down 500 or more up. DSL is generally at least 128 down 728ish up or more, so I'd expect to pay more for that.

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fuck you amp, dsl baby

Nice, where do you live gary, please dont say sac

If i spit, i'll hit Buffalo, but im on the canadian side

I run all my hitbots off this bad boy, cause im the king of hitbots

:1orglaugh

(on signal)
true... if we were talking about an electrical current instead of a broadband signal. But we're not.

(on frequencies)
DSL isn't capable of carrying more than that frequency because the wires are so small... cable has room for frequencies they've not even used yet.

(on nodes)
sorry bro... in the world of cable.... a node is essentially just a fancy name for "an area". (yeah, there's more to it than that, but that's it at it's core) As far as the actual gear in that "node"... they can add or subtract as much gear as they need.

(on distance)
see previous answer.

(on service)
this goes back to what I said earlier about being company dependant... if a certain area's cable company is sucking balls.... the service will too. But a company that runs a tight ship, (like RoadRunner out here) will provide exceptional service.

(on cost)
as far as I know, the dsl companies still require you to buy the gear don't they? Or has that changed for the most part now in order to finally compete for real? :winkwink:

Why do I have a feeling this is SPAMMER Gary from a certain unmentionable Western New York bizness whose owner lives in a nice big home overlooking the lake with lots of hardwood floors.

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sounds like you have line problems bro.... have someone come out and check your fitting and your signal strength at the modem AND at the drop. could be anything from a bad drop to some incompetent installer putting too many splitters of the wrong type in your cable path..... and I've even seen cases where 2 or 3 homes are actually sharing the same freaking drop.....

so, don't blame it on over subscription.. over subscription is a fast easy label to attach to all of the actual problems that can really cause your slow downs.


:winkwink:

Can't dispute your first three claims, but as to 4., why is it then that I lose my connection periodically and I have to get on the phone with a techie (much more available than the DSL company's techies, BTW) and reestablish my connection? These downages aren't all that lengthy, but they happen every 2 or 3 months.

As to 5., everyone has a phone line. Not everyone has cable. ONe has to factor in the cost of adding cable service instead of using a service that's already installed and paid for.

Also, I might be wrong about this, but isn't DSL available in various speeds (for various fees), whereas with cable you get what you get?

who knows.... maybe somebody is rebooting on the other end or something.... try resetting the modem when that happens and waiting for block sync?

but not everyone lives within 10 miles of the dsl center and hence, not everyone is able to subscribe. I understood dsl to need it's own line as well... or am I wrong?

Even farmhouses have cable now. The customers I went to do installs at that did NOT have cable... had a drop, and the house wired for cable for FREE, just so that we could provide them with broadband service..... let's see a dsl company do that. :winkwink:

Yeah, but DSL comes in varying degrees of slow.

Cable only comes in one speed. Fast as fuck. If you are not capped that is.

I was paying 180 a month for a business class DSL that sucked cock. Now I pay 40 for something 3 times as fast and is never down. And this is Detroit. Our infrastructure sucks balls, yet it still rarely has outages lasting more than 10 minutes.

Labret, can you message me....

I've got something to ask you about detroit and the windsor area....

ICQ - 159261339

knowing the things I know from my time working for AT&T, if given a choice between cable service or dsl.... I will never choose dsl. DSL will be my last freaking resort.... I'd rather seek a satellite solution first. DSL, in my opinion, is preferrable only over dialup.

7K square feet, paid for with 200 million emails a day. Pardon me while i go wipe my ass with hundred dollar bills

(on signal)



We're not? How does the signal get down the coxail cable then? It's a stream of data converted into +/- voltages to represent 1s and 0s for a digital signal, or amplitudes (hehe) for an analogue signal?

So resistance is going to play a factor. I believe it's called "SNR" in cable tech - signal to noise ratio.




Not exactly 100% sure, but I'm gonna have to dissagree again. It's perfectly possible for a copper pair to be used for more than one connection at a time - ask any ISDN user who places a voice call on one channel and connects to the net on the other.

The size of the copper pair has nothing to do with it. Either that, or fiber is doing some kind to Doctor Who tardis trick :)



I was always under the impression that a "node" was a repeater of sorts that split the frequencies used for the cable connection and then passed them on, amplified to the head end equipment and the last mile connection via routers to the net?

I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time :)



Depends on which side of the RR/AT&T migration you were on when Excite@home collapsed :)



Some do, some don't. Some charge for install, some don't. Some rent the swtich/modem, some don't.

I hate my cable modem. But it's the best I can get for now :(

hehe :)

I've had my place rewired twice - my connections to the modem and through my netowork are all with the best quality coaxial I could find. All connectors are gold plated, and it made not one bit of difference.

It's the network, not the signal. At times I have 99% packet loss from the gateway on my ISPs network.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/cable-modem3.htm

I was wrong about the distance - I think :)

Interesting read though.

More on DSL/ADSL : http://www.howstuffworks.com/dsl2.htm

Hey chaptery What ISP are you on? I'm in sac and looking...

railz.....

here bro... this will help demystify some of it for you:
http://www.dslreports.com/faq/cabletech

I can't answer all that stuff again... hehe... I got stuff to do here bro.. sorry.. :winkwink:

No biggy thanks for the link. Add me to ICQ sometime 117589794

Yes...I'd be proud of that if it came from here...

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or here...

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or here

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or here

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Did you get my spam about moving millions out of nigeria? That one bought me several new sports cars.

cables have way enough bandwidth.. the limits are usually at the companies end, or it is set in your modem.

sorry gary...the beaverhome gig is up.

Too bad, beaverhome was a gold mine. *sigh*

It makes me sick that you would be proud to be associated with one of the worst...most fraudulent businesses ever operated.

Hope the F B I doesn't decide to flag your file as you cross the border.

By the way...how's Cole?

Jesus wont I have egg on my skinny little face if this ISNT the gary i think it is....however i am 98% sure....

If I'm wrong...I'll go across the street to TOPS and buy you some rasberry wine coolers.

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Cole is good, he's taking the new ferrari for a test spin. I gotta run out for a few minutes to spit on old people. Then i got 200 million emails to send out. Busy day, it never seems to end.

Im back, spitting on old people is alot of fun