Vancouver Police: Out with tasers, in with guns. - GoFuckYourself.com

donkevlar · 03-20-2009, 02:51 PM

Our cops used to just be taser happy gentleman that robbed brown people while off duty.

But that shit is sooo 2008...

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Poli...592/story.html

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A suspected car thief was shot and killed by police on a busy downtown Vancouver street Friday morning.

The body of the man police believe was breaking into cars along Granville Street remained on the sidewalk outside the Salvation Army's Belkin House in the 500-block Homer Street for most of the day as police investigated.

Vancouver police spokeswoman Const. Jana McGuinness said police were first dispatched to the area after a call came in about someone breaking into cars. She said the call came in at 10:30 a.m. and when police arrived in the area they spotted a man who fit the description of the suspect.

She then said police had a situation where a man had a knife. She then said the officers on scene radioed in saying they needed help.

?They were requesting backup,? McGuinness said.

She would not say if the officers had Tasers, and would not speculate on why a gun was used to stop the man.

?There are a whole lot of questions I can?t answer right now,? said McGuinness.

The name of the victim has not been released.

The morning shooting shocked people who work in the area.

Maria, who did not want her last name used, said some of her colleagues watched the tragic events unfold.

?The police shot this poor guy down,? she said.

She said the man ?had something in his hand and he stopped and turned and the police told him to stop and when he didn?t they shot him.?

One man who was paying a bill at the nearby B.C. Hydro building said he was surprised police opened fire in such a busy place.

?Why did they have to use their gun?? asked Vancouver resident Ken Smythe. ?This is a very busy place to be shooting a gun.?

Police were expected to release more details later Friday.

Now I can sleep assured that all parked cars are safe and the insurance companies don't lose any revenue.

Thank you for serving and protecting me.

pornguy · 03-20-2009, 03:03 PM

So they shot him for Burglary?? Man thats rough.

BradM · 03-20-2009, 03:04 PM

Canada isn't a real place anyway so this doesn't matter. It's like reading a story about "Candyland"

Fletch XXX · 03-20-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

So they shot him for Burglary?? Man thats rough.

precisly the problem, anytime a cop feels threatened they can and DO pull the trigger whether their life is in jeopardy or not, human reflexes dictate you will die and cop wil just say "he had a weapon"

meanwhile, no weapon found and the guy never put any officer in grave danger.

cops vs citizens, thats how it is.

Loch · 03-20-2009, 03:09 PM

Dont steal cars, simple

BradM · 03-20-2009, 03:15 PM

Constable Gumdrops

Sid70 · 03-20-2009, 03:19 PM

16 blocks scene

DrChango · 03-20-2009, 03:22 PM

so much for my plans to move to British Columbia. I'd lock my keys in the car and get myself blasted inside of six weeks=(

Ethersync · 03-20-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

So they shot him for Burglary?? Man thats rough.

fucked up

dav3 · 03-20-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

So they shot him for Burglary?? Man thats rough.

No. They shot him because, "the man had something in his hand and he stopped and turned and the police told him to stop and when he didn?t they shot him.?

Ravage · 03-20-2009, 03:27 PM

She said the man ?had something in his hand and he stopped and turned and the police told him to stop and when he didn?t they shot him.?

He should have fucking listened.

Stardust_ · 03-20-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Canada isn't a real place anyway so this doesn't matter. It's like reading a story about "Candyland"

Yes! I live in Candyland!!! Wait... where's all the candy?

_Richard_ · 03-20-2009, 03:31 PM

definitely more info is needed, considering the area and time, but it seems like more messed up BS from the VPD

k0nr4d · 03-20-2009, 03:32 PM

I'm so happy i moved out of that shit hole. Here in poland, its not uncommon to see completely unarmed cops.

starpimps · 03-20-2009, 03:45 PM

Most cops in vancouver are douchebags. Once in awhile you will meet a decent cop.

Should be the other way around.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-20-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Adult Rental Chris

She said the man ?had something in his hand and he stopped and turned and the police told him to stop and when he didn?t they shot him.?

He should have fucking listened.

and if he was deaf and just holding his car keys ?

donkevlar · 03-20-2009, 05:23 PM

I've yet to meet a Vancouver cop who I didn't loathe.

To anyone who agrees with what they did here: I hope you get some of vancity's finest in your face... perhaps the off duty gentlemen who go around beating and robbing ethnics or the great folks who tasered that guy to death because he couldn't speak english.

Spunky · 03-20-2009, 05:24 PM

That will solve the homeless problem,start blasting the junkies

baddog · 03-20-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

and if he was deaf and just holding his car keys ?

If he was deaf I doubt he would have turned when they addressed him.

WarChild · 03-20-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

I'm so happy i moved out of that shit hole. Here in poland, its not uncommon to see completely unarmed cops.

Yeah I can totally see your point! I mean Vancouver consistantly ranks among the top cities in the World to live in, but I'm sure it's a shit hole compared to Poland.

donkevlar · 03-20-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Yeah I can totally see your point! I mean Vancouver consistantly ranks among the top cities in the World to live in, but I'm sure it's a shit hole compared to Poland.

It's getting terrible lately, really.

The Olympics in a year... they're sweeping homeless people under rugs, getting rid of awesome shit like my favorite bakery, tearing down all the good buildings, many people losing their jobs, installing tons of CCTV.

Plus the gang violence is increasing rapidly.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 03-20-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunky

That will solve the homeless problem,start blasting the junkies

No no no, we build legal clean shooting galleries for the junkies...

donkevlar · 03-20-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunky

That will solve the homeless problem,start blasting the junkies

I wouldn't be surprised if many of our great city's cops actually believe that.

WarChild · 03-20-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by donkevlar

It's getting terrible lately, really.

The Olympics in a year... they're sweeping homeless people under rugs, getting rid of awesome shit like my favorite bakery, tearing down all the good buildings, many people losing their jobs, installing tons of CCTV.

Plus the gang violence is increasing rapidly.

Big cities have problems, no doubt. As far as living in big cities goes, Vancouver is going to trump pretty most other large cities. I have to ask you, seriously, have you ever lived for any long period of time outside of the lower mainland / BC?

They aren't installing CCTV "EVERYWHERE", you're being silly.

Oh no, your favorite bakery! Damn the city of Vancouver!

Some consider Olympics to be a good thing, I guess you don't. Fair enough. Homeless people I could care less about.

Gang violence is rising, but mostly they're shooting each other with a few exceptions.

In case you haven't noticed, people are losing their jobs _EVERYWHERE_.

sortie · 03-20-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

If he was deaf I doubt he would have turned when they addressed him.

Yeah, god forbid that a deaf guy would turn his head without hearing something because
he wanted to use his eyes to look around.

Elli · 03-20-2009, 06:23 PM

What a mess

The cops are on a hair trigger these days, and the public is suffering. I wonder if the VPD planned something like this, so now they can say, "See, if the cop had a taser, this wouldn't have happened."

Lance69 · 03-20-2009, 06:32 PM

Good, maybe people will stop being shit heads. Everyone here always blames the cops. Fuck that. Don't steal, sell drugs or be a dumb fuck. Or just take your chances. This country has soooo many social programs and venues to get back on your feet if you're down and out. If you take the easy way and hurt society, have to steal or shoot people to feel like a man or "Gotta Get Yours"... fuck you and die fucktard.
The dude in the article even complained about shooting in a populated area, well that's what you get when you replace Tasers with Bullets! Good job people!

Rights to the Criminals, not the victims or the law right?

RFremont · 03-20-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Adult Rental Chris

She said the man ?had something in his hand and he stopped and turned and the police told him to stop and when he didn?t they shot him.?

He should have fucking listened.

Well, assuming that's REALLY what happened because everyone knows cops NEVER lie, they are ALL impeccably honest and righteous and of course God is on their side, I think that's WONDERFUL reason to shoot someone dead. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

/sarcasm

Let me guess, you have a relative or family member in law enforcement right? The righteous indignation reaks of it.

sortie · 03-20-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance69

Good, maybe people will stop being shit heads. Everyone here always blames the cops. Fuck that. Don't steal, sell drugs or be a dumb fuck. Or just take your chances. This country has soooo many social programs and venues to get back on your feet if you're down and out. If you take the easy way and hurt society, have to steal or shoot people to feel like a man or "Gotta Get Yours"... fuck you and die fucktard.
The dude in the article even complained about shooting in a populated area, well that's what you get when you replace Tasers with Bullets! Good job people!

Rights to the Criminals, not the victims or the law right?

Flash!

All porn has now been made illegal and you are now a criminal and will be fucking shot
by the cops just like you advise.

BlackCrayon · 03-20-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Adult Rental Chris

She said the man ?had something in his hand and he stopped and turned and the police told him to stop and when he didn?t they shot him.?

He should have fucking listened.

sounds reasonable...

donkevlar · 03-20-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance69

Good, maybe people will stop being shit heads. Everyone here always blames the cops. Fuck that. Don't steal, sell drugs or be a dumb fuck. Or just take your chances. This country has soooo many social programs and venues to get back on your feet if you're down and out. If you take the easy way and hurt society, have to steal or shoot people to feel like a man or "Gotta Get Yours"... fuck you and die fucktard.
The dude in the article even complained about shooting in a populated area, well that's what you get when you replace Tasers with Bullets! Good job people!

Rights to the Criminals, not the victims or the law right?

So just murder them all on the spot?

It was most likely a crackhead, right? It was probably a petty theif, scum. But it could have been your cousin, fallen on hard times, needs a stereo to surive. Maybe your bro locked his keys in his car while on peyote. Maybe the dude was a polish immigrant with a stapler...

What if you were downtown too drunk... and you do something stupid that could happen to anyone, criminal or not. Get angry and punch a car window or something. The cops stop you and you're so out of it you don't put your hands down right away, maybe you don't even realize they're cops.

You did something illegal, you're not cooperating.

Does getting shot in the head "serve you right"?

Ozarkz · 03-20-2009, 07:13 PM

I remember when cops used to be able to stop and disarm guys with knives..

Now they just shoot them..

donkevlar · 03-20-2009, 07:14 PM

New news on this... the weapon was a fucking X-ACTO knife.

A fucking BOX CUTTER.

BlackCrayon · 03-20-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by donkevlar

New news on this... the weapon was a fucking X-ACTO knife.

A fucking BOX CUTTER.

Gee that could have left a mark.

Lance69 · 03-20-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Flash!

All porn has now been made illegal and you are now a criminal and will be fucking shot
by the cops just like you advise.

Right, and doing porn is the same as destroying lives dealing rock, and shooting fuckers and assualting and terrorizing the population. You gonna gimme the being bald is now illegal analogy too to prove the point?

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Originally Posted by donkevlar

So just murder them all on the spot?

It was most likely a crackhead, right? It was probably a petty theif, scum. But it could have been your cousin, fallen on hard times, needs a stereo to surive. Maybe your bro locked his keys in his car while on peyote. Maybe the dude was a polish immigrant with a stapler...

6 Mounties to take one old man, yeah the Mounties fucked up. Though a baton to shatter his kneecap would have gotten the job done. Personally If I wave anything at a cop, I'd expect to get fucked up.

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Originally Posted by donkevlar

What if you were downtown too drunk... and you do something stupid that could happen to anyone, criminal or not. Get angry and punch a car window or something. The cops stop you and you're so out of it you don't put your hands down right away, maybe you don't even realize they're cops.

You did something illegal, you're not cooperating.

Does getting shot in the head "serve you right"?

Punching a window and having a knife is quite different. One is being a dumbass drunk, the other is presenting a danger. I've been drunk being a douche many times. Even got thrown face first in to the pavement, good times. But when I came to was I mad at the cops? Not one bit. I was ashamed and embarrassed. Just glad to not be in jail for being a cunt. Had I grabbed a knife and made myself a threat? I'd count my lucky stars if I made it till the next day.

Their lives are always being put on the line, why should they take undue risk of being stabbed for a lowlife? This isn't a Rodney King situation beating a guy unconscious. The city is being shot up every day for two months, and you expect cops to not be on their guard to protect themselves?
My main point is if you are being an unlawful cunt, who presents a danger to society, then you are taking your chances and will get not one drop of sympathy from me.

donkevlar · 03-20-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance69

Right, and doing porn is the same as destroying lives dealing rock, and shooting fuckers and assualting and terrorizing the population. You gonna gimme the being bald is now illegal analogy too to prove the point?

6 Mounties to take one old man, yeah the Mounties fucked up. Though a baton to shatter his kneecap would have gotten the job done. Personally If I wave anything at a cop, I'd expect to get fucked up.
Punching a window and having a knife is quite different. One is being a dumbass drunk, the other is presenting a danger. I've been drunk being a douche many times. Even got thrown face first in to the pavement, good times. But when I came to was I mad at the cops? Not one bit. I was ashamed and embarrassed. Just glad to not be in jail for being a cunt. Had I grabbed a knife and made myself a threat? I'd count my lucky stars if I made it till the next day.

Their lives are always being put on the line, why should they take undue risk of being stabbed for a lowlife? This isn't a Rodney King situation beating a guy unconscious. The city is being shot up every day for two months, and you expect cops to not be on their guard to protect themselves?
My main point is if you are being an unlawful cunt, who presents a danger to society, then you are taking your chances and will get not one drop of sympathy from me.

A box cutter...

Vancouver crackheads are about as fast and strong as the zombies from the Dawn Of The Dead. Gimme some cop training, a partner and nightsticks and I'll take on 20.

The reports haven't said if they had tazers or not yet.

I really do hope it turns out that they WERE threatened enough to shoot, but I really don't think it was warranted. The guy would have to be a 400lb ufc fighter on pcp to convince me.

Lance69 · 03-20-2009, 07:36 PM

400 pound UFC fighter? How about a 20 pound weekling with an aids infected syringe or even say a knife? That's actually the reason Janessa quit her job in Van a couple years back before her porn days. Happend to her boss at work. I've even I've seen 80 y/o men who are crazy good with knives.
You really cannot tell what a person is capable of by looking at them.
Man holding a butter knife with intent to use it = target.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-20-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

If he was deaf I doubt he would have turned when they addressed him.

news flash , deaf people cant tell your addressing them if they are turned facing the opposite way ( hence why they are referred to as DEAF ), many cant tell even if they are facing you unless they happen to be looking directly at your lips for no apparent reason.

Heres a demo you can try at home to simulate being deaf and not noticing a person in front of you yelling "freeze"

crank up your stereo really loud, have someone stand in front of you , look at their shoes while they yell "hey freeze"

VeriSexy · 03-21-2009, 08:39 AM

I was actually around that area.. (just 5 blocks away) was wondering what was going on.. thought it was a car that hit a power pole, (cause there was no power on the street where I was.

Fletch XXX · 03-21-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Spunky

That will solve the homeless problem,start blasting the junkies

many people say the same about drunks, an addict is an addict.

never understand when alcoholics try and put down someone who does heroin LOL

you are all the same. more homeless are DRUNKS than can afford heroin

STAROTICA · 03-21-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Canada isn't a real place anyway so this doesn't matter. It's like reading a story about "Candyland"

you know who the mayor of "Candyland" land is???

The "CandyMAN"........

alias · 03-21-2009, 09:00 AM

Fuck Vancouver.

Dirty F · 03-21-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

So they shot him for Burglary?? Man thats rough.

Huh? Where did you get that? They shot him because he had something in his hand (which couldve been a weapon) and they told him to stop (they warned him) and he didn't.

Get your facts straight.

Dirty F · 03-21-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by donkevlar

New news on this... the weapon was a fucking X-ACTO knife.

A fucking BOX CUTTER.

So when he turned to the police with a knife in his hand they instead shouldve asked: please sir, will you please drop your knife.

Fucking moron.

Don't fucking walk up to a cop with a knife in your hand. When you do and he tells you to stop first and you still don't stop you're just asking for big time trouble.

Im not sure what part you dont understand of that simpleton.

BlackCrayon · 03-21-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

So when he turned to the police with a knife in his hand they instead shouldve asked: please sir, will you please drop your knife.

Fucking moron.

Don't fucking walk up to a cop with a knife in your hand. When you do and he tells you to stop first and you still don't stop you're just asking for big time trouble.

Im not sure what part you dont understand of that simpleton.

Unless he started to charge the cop there is no need to shoot him. Most definitely not shoot to kill...If you want cops to have such power then ...wow. Go live in china.

John-ACWM · 03-21-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Adultmix

16 blocks scene

That was a good Bruce Willis movie

who · 03-21-2009, 11:08 AM

Cowards, that's all.

Va2k · 03-21-2009, 11:38 AM

Got what he deserved! If you are willing to play then you have to be willing to pay!~!

cykoe6 · 03-21-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Canada isn't a real place anyway so this doesn't matter. It's like reading a story about "Candyland"

Agreed. What is really a conundrum is how a place that does not even really exist can still suck so fucking much.

AaronM · 03-21-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by donkevlar

New news on this... the weapon was a fucking X-ACTO knife.

A fucking BOX CUTTER.

Damn, not like a box cutter could be used to do any harm....Like hijack a plane or 3.

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