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Not spoiled and not rich. Just come from a family who lives life the way they should. If you want something then pay for it in cash. We don't live beyond our means. Property has been handed down throughout the years. As far as my investments I just got in early and got lucky but I still have to work at it daily to keep making money and like everyone else the economy has killed it and I know it just didn't happen that way. The reason I know that is because I have a financial background.

No matter who you are or where you came from you'd be much further a long if you didn't waste so much time on this stuff.

All of the above doesn't matter if everything me, my family, and our forefathers have worked for all their lives gets stripped away by a bunch of crooks. This country was founded rebelling against the very things that are occurring today and I'm going to do everything in my power to keep it that way. If you wish to be the a slave then so be it, stay in Canada. I'm nobody's.

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Your forefathers already stole the land from the natives, so they are essentially crooks themselves. Regardless, all the "information" you read online is not going to prevent anything..at all..ever. To think so is very foolish.

The thing is these idiots depend on the crooks system so they defend it at every chance. I don't get how thinking people in power might want to extend their power and influence through NETWORKING and scheming together to achieve a "greater goal" is considered lunacy? Are we not on the internet and even this gfy.com for those VERY REASONS? fucking morons...

I don't just believe any wacked out theory I hear from EITHER side, I never have. As a child you can see the wrongs and inconsistencies that go on through the MAINSTREAM MEDIA, HISTORY and even in your own neighborhood, let alone independent media and thinking. HISTORY and FACT can tell you much if you think about what you read. Everyone does things for a purpose, do YOU know why Kennedy was shot? Do YOU know why men like Andrew Jackson, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln etc etc, have their likenesses printed on FEDERAL RESERVE MONEY, when EACH of them fought against the federal reserve in one way or another?

Why my mentally challenged friends do you IGNORE the FACT these great MEN of HISTORY themselves spoke against the form of banking we all live by today? Why do you retards refuse to see that our ways of making,saving and spending money are symbiotic to this bank system and CREDIT and that this terrible SYSTEM is flawed? That's the big point, fuck a conspiracy that you focus on to think to call others insane, think that it IS in FACT going on, and someone has to be responsible! Search your own thoughts and you will come to the same conclusion as many others have.... that some douchebags are pulling strings, than ask yourself... "Are we down with them?". :321GFY

I'm well aware of history my great grandmother was full blooded Cherokee hence the prior to North America/US part. As far as information it appears that someone doing their homework started the movie in this thread. I'd be willing to bet it's doing some damage.

All the damage it will do is *maybe* create more people like yourself who never do anything to combat the issues at hand besides posting on useless web forums.

It's called an information war.

Get off you ass and do something about it. You're wasting your life doing as little as possible and pretending like it will make a difference.

I'm doing a lot. I email and phone my representatives all the time. I attend rallies do handouts including dvds of movies like above at my own expense. What the hell are you doing? What do you think I should do storm the White House myself? Get fucking real. lmao

Never before in history has there been such a difference in the knowledge of people.
This is bigger than knowing how to make fire or not.
Today you got camps that believe in supernatural gods, camps that scream 'conspiracy' if your reality/opinion is not in line with the one on TV, and finally camps filled with people that all took that first step: to listen to some guy and then go fact checking through his statements. See if any of it is true.

Good shit!

Obama... What a joke...

Yes it's very obvious that I'm an uneducated person who spews mindless drivel in thread after thread.

All of them are. These are the same retards who were out en masse pimping 9/11 loose change and telling us we were idiots for not believing it was an inside job.
Later on, loose change was exposed for what it was, and the creators were totally owned by scientists from Popular Mechanics.

These theories and stories have been around forever, with the "villian" changing but the basic theme of the story remaining the same.
At one time or another, the Bavarian Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Pope, the Jews, international bankers, the League of Nations, the United Nations, the Rockefellers, and the Communist International were all going to take over the world, and our elected leaders were just their puppets.

Now that Obama is President the new villains appear to be the Bilderberg Group. Ok, whatever.

The fact that I'm not willing to spend the time to dismantle these ridiculous theories point by point doesn't mean that your points are valid. It just means that I'm not willing to take time out of my day to prove you wrong, when I know that even if I do, you'll still refuse to believe it.

It's really the perfect fantasy world for you to live in, because when anything is presented to you that doesn't line up with your theories, you just dismiss it as propaganda that's put out by whatever evil villain you believe is pulling the strings on the world wide puppet show.

Therefore no book, magazine, newspaper article, scientific study, or anything else can prove you wrong because you'll just hypothesize that the evil world controlling villains are the ones behind the information that contradicts you, and therefore that information can't be trusted. The only information that can be trusted is information that agrees with your theory.

That's like saying I can't tell you the emperor is naked because I'm not an expert in invisible clothes.

I don't have to let the Jehovah's Witnesses into my house and listen to their sales pitch for two hours before I can decide they're kooks too. I just slam the door in their face and go on about my day. :2 cents:

If you knew anything about this shit you'd know that the "villian" has never really changed, it has always been the money powers.

The "new" villians are the Bilderberg Group? Wtf are you talking about? The Bilderberg Group has been meeting since 1954, there is nothing "new" about it at all.

People are always trying to talk about shit that they know nothing about.

I'm part of the Bilderberg group and I have a big dong..and what.

If the villains have always been the money powers, and they are indeed powerful, more powerful than governments or Presidents....then how is it the groups with the "money power" have changed over the years according to these theories of yours?

Why aren't the Illuminati or Freemasons or Jews or the Council on Foreign Relations still public enemy #1?

Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Corp which is owned by William Randolph Hearst whom is a member of.. drum roll please.. the Counsel on Foreign Relations.

I'm not sure what you mean by "these theories of yours." I've never said that the money powers have changed over the years, because they haven't. The same families have been controlling most of the world's wealth since the Rothschilds created the Bank of England.

So in a nutshell, the world is ruled by some secret shadow government, and no matter who is elected president, we are all fucked. So let's blame Obama. Yeah, that makes lots of fucking sense. The Bilderberg group begins in the late 1950's - clearly Obama must have been there in spirit - it only makes good sense. The Bilderberg group controls everything, so I guess every once in a while they "allow" a president to do well, and make us wealthy, but at other times they "force" a president to be bad for everyone, just to keep it real.

Oh yeah, the whole thing makes all sorts of sense to me. And I'm glad the "documentary" offers another choice too - like things would have been fine under McCain and Palin, because they wouldn't have to answer to the scary secret shadow government?

This is nothing more than additional Republican smear propaganda against Obama, with no BETTER solution offered. Just hatred and propaganda.

The truth of the matter is just slightly harder to believe. Turns out alien beings from the Neptune Galaxy have been methodically taking over the minds of every single world leader - one by one. When the time is right the real shit will start hitting the fan. Oh yeah, the time is coming. Just ask Quiston7 from planet Dumbshit5 - he knows all....

It's not about Obama himself, the whole "Obama" thing is a deception. Anyone who is personally blaming Obama doesn't get it.

This has nothing to do with the 2-party paradigm. The creator of this film also has documentaries about how George Bush was a puppet for the elite just like Obama is, it has nothing to do with Republicans being upset that a Democrat is in office.

You are wrong when you say "no matter who is elected president we are all fucked." There were multiple candidates in this last presidential election who were not members of any of the elite groups, and had they won, there probably would have been a chance for some real change.

oh yeah I juss love how obama is sucking me dry with high taxes because of my income and giving it too all the lazy americans who dont want to work for their money

When twisted people play with logic you get twisted logic. None of the new negative responses here are even worth replying to. :disgust

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saw it, VERY interesting documentary


i think people need to be open minded and research the FACTS before forming an opinion, or before they dismiss anything as a crazy "conspiracy theory"

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i saw this, and they did a very good job.. they kept to the points and facts they were trying to make, some of the imagery was propagandy but all in all very informative

Research and making strong arguments are left for other minds to do and the masses to repeat. Put down the kool-aid on both sides and start with reading your constitution.

I watched it, I have to say it was interesting.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh The best video in this thread...

Nah in another thread he said he's lived the life of a hobo at times.. and that he wasn't going to invest in anything that fit into his beliefs - buying gold etc which would point to having no money to invest, I doubt he's living off investments or anything else he says.. He's just an average schmoe feeling screwed and can't do anything about it except crying on a forum (if he's not a fake nick).. the GFC has really flushed these guys out.
Anyways spoilt rich kids don't give a shit, this whole thing is an investment opportunity. The only people crying are the clueless. It's like seeing a massive wad of money falling from the sky and not knowing how to catch it.

too much conspiracy going on lately...

I didn't say hobo. If memory serves correctly I said something along the lines of the streets. But I could be wrong I'm not bothered to look back. You can quote me if you like. You seem so interested in following my old post so you must be interested in who I am. It's not a fake nick. The only one I've used here since day one. If I'm not doing business with you I don't need to know who you are and don't need you to know who I am. I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. Who's sporting a link pimping himself/herself or someone else? I must be doing something right not to have to whore myself out.

Disability pension? You didn't have the balls to make investments that matched your worldview which is extreme enough that most people with it do. That points to no money or an indolence bordering on pathological. I don't care about the lack of money thing, just you talked about living the life of hobos and prison thugs previously and now you're talking like you're the landed gentry.

I've never taken one dime from the government my entire life. Not even unemployment.

You talked about not investing and now you're living off investments.. Just trying to keep track of all the lies maaaan and see the truth behind the conspiracies...

Streets and stints in jail are different from hobo and prison. Worldview? What exactly do you think my world view is? The world I would like to see is people minding their own fucking business and going about their happy fucking lives. The world we are entering is one of a handful of people trying to tell everybody else how to live.

You're reading what you want to read. I live off of MY own investing. I don't invest in other companies or let other people do that for me. I make my money off of my own skills and that is in a form of investing. If you need some fucking help there domains is the keyword.

VERY simplified financial worldview = elites controlling everything destroying the value of the dollar, ushering in rampant inflation.

Any person who actually truly believed what they were saying would go out and get a $100k loan and put it all on gold. The inflation will wipe the debt away and the gold will be worth a zillion bucks right?
I only remember you because unlike most anti-fed doomers (amongst whatever else) your actions didn't match your beliefs and you seemed to be absolutely defeatist.. nothing you could do was going to help etc etc. It's not a mentality I can empathise with. Most people will react to make the most of a situation.. which is what is prompting me to reply now you're talking of living off investments and being part of the original landed gentry.
Whatever.

A domainer who isn't prepared to take advantage of financial situations. Now i've heard it all. And as though commodities or dividends are any more variable than affiliate or PPC income.
I don't know why I'm wondering how a conspiracy guy would act illogically in areas as well I guess... But you sir, are most definately an odd potato.

When people will realize president doesn't have anything with actual economic situation no matter who it is.

I suspect 7/11 and Starbucks arent clean too!

yet the everything he wrote was true...

Gold market is manipulated just like the stock market. If you watch either one of them and believe any differently you have to be fucking stupid. Look up "the working group" you fool and figure out who they are. If you need a little help it's the same group of bankers that got all of the bailouts.

U.S. Government Sanctioned Gold Price Manipulation

"The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency just released its Q3/08 Quarterly Derivatives Fact Sheet today. Here is one of the highlights:

Take a look at J.P. Morgan's gold derivatives [futures] position, paying particular attention to how the < 1 yr. position changed from the end of Q2/08 to the end of Q3/08: "

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article8014.html


Actions match my beliefs? What the hell are you talking about? Defeatist? No I will always come out on top. All I have ever done is open the eyes of stupid people like yourself.



I don't live off of affiliate or PPC income. Thanks, have a nice day.

Geez that guy thinks there is a conspiracy behind everything

It's all the same group of people conspiring. Hence the movie this thread is about. They are and have been covering their asses. Look at whats going on in England right now. Their government is falling a part because of this very topic. Gordon Brown is about to be tossed out on his ass and they've lost 4 MP's in 24 hours. Expect the US government to soon follow.

Yup, and barely anyone over here even knows about that yet. The American mainstream media isn't even talking about it.

Here's a recent article talking referring to what I have said in this thread and another one as well. The bankers consider you and I as their property.

GPS Marking of Every House in U.S. Not Authorized by
Supreme Law of the Land
By: David Deschesne,

Editor/Publisher, Fort Fairfield Journal May 6, 2009, page 1

The U.S. Census Bureau has been overstepping the U.S. Constitution?s requirements for a simple enumeration of the citizens for years, but their current plans to mark the GPS location of every address in the U.S. is just the latest in a long list of usurpations of the General Government?s Constitutional authority.

The Bureau of Census is sending its army of workers to every address in the United States within the next couple of months in order to log the Global Positioning System (GPS) location of every American citizen?s home.

Cataloging the physical location of people?s homes is far removed from the Constitutional grant of authority to the government to merely count how many people are living in the several states in order to assign an appropriate number of Representatives to them in the U.S. House of Representatives1 so, there must be another purpose for this action.

The term ?Census? is Latin for to appraise or to assess a value thereon. In Roman history it was a registration or count of citizens and their property to determine taxation."2

The spirit of the word ?Census,? as to appraise or assess a value on the citizens? labor and their property, does not appear anywhere in the U.S. Constitution, only an enumeration (counting) of people every ten years in order to appropriate Representatives.

The Bureau of Census is a relatively new creation, not actually in existence in the beginning of the United States. It was established temporarily in 1899 and as a permanent office within the Department of Interior in 1902, just a few years prior to our nation surrendering its money supply to a private cabal of international banks. In 1903, the Bureau of Census - now functioning as a de facto ?Bureau of Appraisals? was absorbed by the newly created Department of Commerce and Labor, which was later separated into two separate departments. The Bureau of Census (Appraisals) was reorganized in 1950 and remains in the Commerce Department to this day.3

Congress created the Bureau of Census (Appraisals) to begin the laborious task of cataloging, serial numbering and tracking the value of all personal and business property in the United States, as well as the humans therein for the purposes of appraising their value and preparing them for use as collateral against the nation?s debt under a proposed fiat debt money scheme to be implemented later on in 1913.
Ten years after its inception, the Department of Commerce was restructured as a stand-alone entity separating Labor into its own Department (15 USC 1501). The private, for-profit corporation, known as the Federal Reserve System was formed in the same year as the restructuring of the Department of Commerce. Under the new Federal Reserve System's plan, all new money would be brought into existence via loans to the government and citizens. The Bureau of Census (Appraisals), as a division of the Department of Commerce, is charged with keeping track of the number of human chattels whose labor is pledged against the national debt via the Federal income tax. The Bureau of Census (Appraisals) also appraises and keeps track of manufacturers, mineral industries, distributive trades, construction industries, agriculture, religious organizations and transportation. All towns, cities, and municipalities are required to annually submit a report of all new construction, multi-family units, new businesses, and any losses to the Bureau of Census (Appraisals) for the purposes of keeping a current valuation of all property in the United States.4

Just prior to the bankruptcy of the United States in June, 1933, the Bureau of Census (Appraisals) undertook a bold new venture. During the month of April, 1930, over 100,000 persons were engaged in taking the census. At that time the usual questions regarding race, color, sex, age, occupation, whether married or single, and whether able to write were asked. In addition were such questions as the value of your home and whether owned or rented, whether you were the owner of a radio, and detailed questions regarding unemployment.5 This information was needed in order to assess a value on the chattels and collateral the Federal Reserve banks needed before loaning money to the soon to be bankrupt U.S. government.

The Under Secretary for Economic Affairs compiles all Census data and makes it available to those who are in need of it - such as banks seeking to determine how well a state or geographic area of people are able to collateralize a bond issue (loan) with their currently existing labor and property.

The current scheme of using unwitting census workers to mark the GPS location of every address in the United States, under the banner of a Constitutional enumeration of the citizens, has nothing to do with counting people in order to appropriate Representatives to Congress. Instead, it appears to be an unconstitutional ploy to catalog and track all citizens? property which has been pledged to the banks and creditors who hold the notes on the United States? now $11+ trillion national debt.

?We are using the GPS data to help our census takers find your home when they come around next year,? said one census worker. However, when asked since she was able to find the person?s house without a GPS coordinate to begin with, why was a GPS coordinate necessary for another census worker, she was unable to explain.

Some have speculated that the GPS coordinates are for the Federal Government?s future use in silencing protestors, confiscating firearms or foreclosing on homes on behalf of the foreign banks and countries who have loaned the U.S. trillions of dollars in unpayable debt. Whatever this government?s intentions are, history has shown they are not benevolent.

The Fort Fairfield Journal contacted Paul Powell, Partnership Coordinator for the Boston Regional Census Center to ask what Constitutional authority the Bureau of Census had to catalog GPS coordinates, what the information was being used for, what other information was being collected about the address at the time the GPS coordinates were taken, and what steps the Bureau of Census was taking to protect the privacy of those who chose not to allow their home to be cataloged as such. Mr. Powell acknowledged receiving the questions, but refused to comment or provide answers.

While the Bureau of Census (Appraisals) may have enacting legislation to grant its authority by fiat, the U.S. Constitution has granted no power to the Federal government to do anything other than count people, with respect to the Census. Therefore, the Census workers? cataloging the GPS positions of every home address in the U.S. is blatantly unlawful activity initiated on behalf of the private banking industry now running Congress. According to the 10th amendment, any power not granted to the Federal government, or prohibited by the Constitution to the States, is reserved to the States or the people respectively.


Notes
1. see U.S. Const., Article 1, Sec. 1, Clause 3.
2. World Book Dictionary/Thorndike Barnhart; 1969 ed. ©1969 Doubleday & Company Inc., p. 333.
3. U.S. Government Manual 2000-2001, p. 608
4. op. cit., p. 137
5. see MacGruder's American Government,
©1939 Allyn and Bacon, pp. 285-286.

http://www.mainemediaresources.com/ffj_05060901a.htm