This is CUT AND PASTE from one science web site:


Is global warming occurring?

ØAccording to Accu-Weather, the world?s leading commercial forecaster, "Global air temperatures as measured by land-based weather stations show an increase of about 0.45 degrees Celsius over the past century. This may be no more than normal climatic variation...[and] several biases in the data may be responsible for some of this increase."

ØSatellite data indicate a slight cooling in the climate in the last 18 years. These satellites use advanced technology and are not subject to the "heat island" effect around major cities that alters ground-based thermometers.

ØProjections of future climate changes are uncertain. Although some computer models predict warming in the next century, these models are very limited. The effects of cloud formations, precipitation, the role of the oceans, or the sun, are still not well known and often inadequately represented in the climate models --- although all play a major role in determining our climate. Scientists who work on these models are quick to point out that they are far from perfect representations of reality, and are probably not advanced enough for direct use in policy implementation. Interestingly, as the computer climate models have become more sophisticated in recent years, the predicted increase in temperature has been lowered.



Are humans causing the climate to change?

Ø98% of total global greenhouse gas emissions are natural (mostly water vapor); only 2% are from man-made sources.

ØBy most accounts, man-made emissions have had no more than a minuscule impact on the climate. Although the climate has warmed slightly in the last 100 years, 70% percent of that warming occurred prior to 1940, before the upsurge in greenhouse gas emissions from industrial processes.

ØA Gallup survey indicated that only 17% of the members of the Meteorological Society and the Geophysical Society thought the warming of the 20th century was the result of an increase in greenhouse gas emissions.

If global warming occurs, will it be harmful?

ØThe idea that global warming would melt the ice caps and flood coastal cities seems to be mere science fiction. A slight increase in temperature -- whether natural or mankind induced -- is not likely to lead to a massive melting of the earth ice caps, as sometimes claimed in the media. Also, sea-level rises over the centuries relate more to warmer and thus expanding oceans, not to melting ice caps.

ØContrary to some groups' fear mongering about the threat of diseases, temperature changes are likely to have little effect on the spread of diseases. Experts say that deterioration in public health practices such as rapid urbanization without adequate infrastructure, forced large scale resettlement of people, increased drug resistance, higher mobility through air travel, and lack of insect-control programs have the greatest impact on the spread of vector-borne diseases.

ØLarger quantities of CO2 in the atmosphere and warmer climates would likely lead to an increase in vegetation. During warm periods in history vegetation flourished, at one point allowing the Vikings to farm in now frozen Greenland.

Will the Kyoto policies actually stop global warming?

ØIf the policies do not include developing nations the result will likely be a reallocation of emissions to developing nations, not a reduction of emissions.

drew:

Yea.. ignorant is more relevant than "not" *lol* As for "keep bitching and crying" - I ain't doing either - just amazed at your utter stupidity!

"We will not ask you about your opinion. " Who is this "we"??*g*

Yea.. I am a nobody, just like all the others you choose to claim are "whatevers" - Hell.. I'll be a nobody to please ya - got no problem with that!

Getting back to the point.. you are one ignorant, racist, pigheaded, biggot asshole that sees no further than the end of your nose. Ya got one of the biggest "chip on the shoulders" about almost everyone/nation that I ever seen.

As for Kyoto, ya consume 25% of the planets resources but only have 5% of world population - so what the fuck are you talking about??

You are just na.. not just an embassment to the US.. more an embarassment to human existance.

Ain't got fuck else to "communicate" with you about - suggest you get a life and enjoy! :BangBang:

Let's see, where do i start:

First a correction, i checked and the US is responsible for "only" 37% of the gas emissions. Not bad...

Yes, Kyoto is not about the ozone layer, where did i say it was? I was referring to the facts that the decrease of the ozone layer was PROVEN related to the increase of temperature by the SAME "junk scientists" (american ones too) that said that the increase in Carbon Dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere also increases temperature.
I know that it's in my Pepsi and you're WRONG, carbon dioxide does KILL you. Just try holding your breath for more than a couple minutes and you'll realise that you can't really use all that carbon dioxide that is accumulated in your lungs.
It's not like monoxide carbon but it's not breathable (sp) either.
More C02 concentration equals less O2 concentration equals more difficult to breathe.

You see, that greenhouse effect is linked to the emissions of CO2 which cause an increase in temperature which cause, among other things, an increase in ocean levels.
People will lose their houses by the sea, complete islands will be covered by the ocean... if that's not significant...well...

Wrong again. Tsc tsc, empirical evidence? You mean scientists just stick their fingers in the air and know it's getting hotter? Ridiculous, please refer to the img below taken from the US Environmental Protection Agency:


http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwa...ElemFormat=gif

Taken from your .gov:
"According to the National Academy of Sciences, the Earth's surface temperature has risen by about 1 degree Fahrenheit in the past century, with accelerated warming during the past two decades. There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities."

Hmm, you mean they're melting due to cavemen fires heat that's beggining to get into the atmosphere now?

It seems that it's you who is doing it, not me

Of course, flood scenarios are pre-made in a Hollywood studio

Not really, i want to change things, improve the environment, you're saying that you don't think it's worth it.

You were wise there. You're so right! Let's make those chinese, brazilian and indians who live in misery reduce their emissions! Hell, how about those bastards in Angola?? No way, if they don't do it, you shouldn't also!

Now you can remove that number 6 on your list cause now you know where our gas taxes are going to...

Hell i'm too tired, i'll hit the sack.
Talk to you all tomorrow.


Ricardo

dude, mr.bean was funny as fuck

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:thumbsup Ya answered him! *lol* .. Yea, suppose we gotta educate our brothers! *BIG GRIN*

You just don't give up do you?

Strange, i have a quote from your US Environmental Protection Agency EPA saying:
"According to the National Academy of Sciences, the Earth's surface temperature has risen by about 1 degree Fahrenheit in the past century, with accelerated warming during the past two decades. There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities."

Who do you believe? Your government or those "junk scientists"?


Here's another quote:
"Global mean surface temperatures have increased 0.5-1.0°F since the late 19th century. The 20th century's 10 warmest years all occurred in the last 15 years of the century."
It's really odd, your data is different from my taken from an US agency.
Oh here's another quote:
"The snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere and floating ice in the Arctic Ocean have decreased. Globally, sea level has risen 4-8 inches over the past century."
Strange, even though there are no citie near the Poles it seems they're getting hotter cause they're melting...

Well, that IS interesting cause you see, the rules to lower Carbon Dioxide emissions and CFC's were implemented also recently! See a patern there?
Gosh, i can only imagine what would be like if the US signed the Kyoto deal...maybe it would become cooler too!


LOL, this one cracked me up.
You see, what is the result of power plants among other things? Bingo, mostly water vapor!

what is man made here? i really can't figure it out.
And saying that we didn't have an impact on the climate is...just stupid.
From EPA:
"Before the Industrial Revolution, human activity released very few gases into the atmosphere, but now through population growth, fossil fuel burning, and deforestation, we are affecting the mixture of gases in the atmosphere."


Hmm...so the water is getting warmer but you're saying the climate is getting cooler... strange. And the water gets warmer and expands but doesn't melt ice... i like your sources.

no argue here...

LOL, yeah, let's turn Greenland a garden and turn all Africa and Europe into a desert.. sorry, but your "scientific" sources make me laugh.


DUH, don't be such an idiot. All countries must cooperate but while fucking India is responsible for less than 1% of the emissions BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INDUSTRY and their people is starving YOU are responsible for 37% and HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.

Once again you're showing how a self centered person you are, unable and unwilling to give something to others without expecting anything in return.

YOU SHOULD BE A FUCKING POLITICIAN

(Now, i'm going to bed)

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1.France - Ala fucking bama, Arkansas, take your pick

2.Socialists - The Chritian Right, i would rather have socialists. Especially when I am sick and need a doctor.

3.Mr. Bean - Special mention on this one: The British think Americans are idiots for liking Mr Bean. It is considered complete crap over here and it is well known that the HBO specials and the movie were made just for the North American and Japanese audiences. The UK knows the actor, for his other GENIUS comic acting in things such as 'Not the nine o'clock news' and 'Black Adder'. So, no one to blame but yourself. Kind of like how the French like Jerry Lewis, Americans like Bean.

4.The metric system - big deal, pay attention in third grade math and it won't be a problem.

5.Really stinky cheese - no defense..the UK doesn't really have that stuff and over all I agree

6.Insane rates of taxation on gas - sorry we will have to invade a couple countries to take care of that

7.Ethnic Cleansing - Ask the native americans

8.Adolph Hitler
9.Slobodan Milosevic - taking these together: never heard of the KKK, cause you know America doesn't have any racists ?

10.Soccer - Love it, not as much as I love Baseball but still great.

11.EuroDisney - went there last year and it wasn't as bad as I had heard. PLUS: who brought it there?

12.The UK's Rail Roads : Now, see this is a personal pet peave of mine. The British don't know how lucky they are. It is true that in the context of other Western European countries the UK system has problems. However, having grown up in bum fuck Pennsylvania I know what it is like not to have ANY public transport system at all and I know full well that is the case with most places in the States..major cities excluded obviously.

Also, the british railways are used so often in ways that most Americans can't even think about. So, an accident every now and then is bound to happen. Amcrash (and I love Amtrack) has had just as many. The only difference is people don't use Amtrack so you don't have the the death tolls to warrant making the news. The fact still remains is that in May I had a family emergency and I got from the London suburb I am in to bum fuck Pennsylvania completly by public transport. There wasn't a single car involved until I got to my home town where there was suddenly no public transport. Europeans are spoilt when it comes to public transport, and I think it is great.

13All the ass-sucking going on. - if they didn't americans would complain.

14.Designer Butt-Plugs from Milan. (I'm not making that up) - Hmm, well not all that much a bad thing in my book but like America doesn't have freaky products..flowbe..and spray on hairpaint comes to mind.

15.Unmowed female body hair - most i know shave, Julia Roberts (American) came over here with hairy pits and caused a storm . Even if they don't who cares.

16.Lack of Good junk food. - hmm, matter of opinion

17.Everyone over the age of 11 smokes. - Didn't you go to High School? I couldn't move at the bus stop for kids smoking?

18.Preponderance of Evil junk food. - what would make it evil?

19.The women in Sweden don't really wear bikinis in the winter. - touche but theere are loads of cute goths from Sweden.


I know you are just stiring but hey couldn't let the Mr Bean thing go ;)

A few environmental facts for you to consider (and discuss if you feel like it :winkwink: ):

1. Ice core samples have shown that, over the past 100,000 years, an increase in global CO2 levels have always come AFTER an increase in global temperatures.

2. If global temperatures were to rise to such an extent that the global ice caps were to completely melt, this would create just as much useable land (no more permafrost, Antarctica wouldn't be covered etc) as it would detroy due to rising sea levels.

3. A slow increase in global temperatures would result in an increase in icebergs from the Arctic. This would drift south and cool the northern Atlantic and North Sea, resulting in the Gulf Stream being diverted south. Most of Europe gets it's heat from the Gulf Stream, so Europe would cool down significantly, resulting in greater snowfall. Snow, in case you hadn't noticed, is white and reflective, and would reflect the sun's radiant energy, accelerating the cooling effect to such an extent that the heat lost due to this effect would be much greater than the heat gained from global warming, and the Earth would enter another ice age. The cooling of the Atlantic would also affect the "conveyor effect" that affects the heat tranfer of the world's oceans (not just the Atlantic), just in case you are thinking that a few more snowflakes in Europe wouldn't affect anywhere else...

4. Methane is a MUCH bigger greenhouse gas than CO2. Methane comes from, amongst other things, rotting and decaying plants and animals. A massive amount of decaying plant matter is found in stagnant water, such as that found in the still waters behind dams - dams built so that they could generate electricty from the flow of water. These power stations help in generate more greenhouse gasses than a regular coal-fired power station...

5. Solar radiation also effect the planet's temperature. The Earth's magnetic field helps to deflect a great deal of solar radiation. However, the Earth's magnetic field is decreasing and is expected to fail (and then reverse polarity) within the next century.

It's more than just CO2....

volante:

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