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LisaWP 03-05-2009 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 15587347)
how does this all pay for itself?

oh.. yeah... it doesn't. tax payers have to pay for it. how does it sustain itself financially?

oh yeah... it can't.

what role does convenience play in the economics of it all? it doesn't.


i guess this will just all be done by rubbing the magical unicorn and waiting for money to rain from the sky as we go through a massive economic depression.

What really pisses me off is the the AMA opposed WalMart from opening clinics in their stores to provide people cheap access to basic care...open every day with no appointments necessary....mostly to treat things like ear and sinus infections, strep throat, lacerations and other minor things.

We have a clinic nearby which is open from 5- 10 pm and will treat you for $90. Otehr charges apply if tests-medication needed. It is run by doctors & nurses after normal hours to help those who don't have insurance or those who don't want to use the emergency room or wait for an appt. at their own dr.

No tax money is used....these doctors saw a niche & filled it. They make money & people get help.

slapass 03-05-2009 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WWC-Raffi (Post 15585733)
it can vary from type and policy? you must have HMO with high deductibles and prescription costs?

And you should too... Why pay that huge premium to cover the small stuff. Do the math and stick a few k away. You can cover the medicine and deductible and they can cover the big stuff.

WWC 03-05-2009 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 15586690)
I pay $997 for family plan with Kaiser. Deductible is $25.

This is exactly what i have....its insane....is there a different plan than Kaiser?

BFT3K 03-05-2009 09:07 PM

So far it looks like 1 out of 3 GFYers who have responded to this poll are uninsured.

JD 03-05-2009 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WWC-Raffi (Post 15585733)
it can vary from type and policy? you must have HMO with high deductibles and prescription costs?

nope. we've got great insurance

JaneB 03-05-2009 10:42 PM

I have insurance and my co-pays are $25 a visit. Prescriptions are pretty cheap. I am paying well for it. Like someone said all it takes is one ER visit with no insurance and then you are paying a shitload to the hospital.

pocketkangaroo 03-05-2009 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Honez (Post 15586632)
I used to but, dropped it. Then I broke my foot and found out that if you don't have insurance, you get discounts from Dr's and hospitals if you pay cash. I guess that proves to me that they jack prices up for the insurance companies.

I have to say I don't understand this position. A broken foot is one thing, but what if you get diagnosed with cancer? What if you simply come down with a real bad case of food poisoning and need to spend a few days in a hospital? Right there you're talking 6 figure hospital bill. I understand being able to pay for the minor stuff, but any serious health issue literally can bankrupt you overnight.

woj 03-05-2009 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 15590302)
.... What if you simply come down with a real bad case of food poisoning and need to spend a few days in a hospital? Right there you're talking 6 figure hospital bill.

you aren't going to get 6 figure bill for a few days in a hospital for a food poisoning... maybe 10k tops... which is certainly rough, but it's not going to bankrupt you....:2 cents:

Mr. Stiff 03-06-2009 12:07 AM

1K a month?! Damn! I'm fully covered for $90/mo! Move to europe ;)

Rochard 03-06-2009 01:16 AM

I'm lucky. My wife works in the medical profession, and they always have good health care. I'm covered.

StaceyJo 03-06-2009 03:25 AM

I do. My company paying for it.

Pleasurepays 03-06-2009 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LisaWP (Post 15588401)
What really pisses me off is the the AMA opposed WalMart from opening clinics in their stores to provide people cheap access to basic care...open every day with no appointments necessary....mostly to treat things like ear and sinus infections, strep throat, lacerations and other minor things.

We have a clinic nearby which is open from 5- 10 pm and will treat you for $90. Otehr charges apply if tests-medication needed. It is run by doctors & nurses after normal hours to help those who don't have insurance or those who don't want to use the emergency room or wait for an appt. at their own dr.

No tax money is used....these doctors saw a niche & filled it. They make money & people get help.

my issue is simple.. similar to what you said. "universal healthcare" might be great. i'm not really against the idea in principle.

what i'm against is the idea that we can all agree the system that currently exists is fucked.. but we don't do anything to fix it. trial attorneys still run the show. i was talking to my neighbor (medical physicist) about liability in medicine. he was explaining how you can't be a radiologist without getting constantly sued.... because trial attorneys and the legal system can't accept any degree of error - yet, we are asking imperfect people who make errors to help us get better and often to save our lives or that of someone we care about.

"universal health care" isn't "fixing" anything. its scrapping one way that we couldn't manage for a massive unknown, a massive/costly learning curve and one that will be paid for by tax dollars. it just sounds good... its an appeasing concept that appeals to the lowest common denominator of society. those who produce the least, benefit the most. those who contribute the least, get the most benefit from this. those who do produce, get punished. those who work hard, act responsibly, live responsibly and so on are the ones who have to pay for this.

its completely retarded that people can bitch about the cost of health care and then think that someone government is revamp the entire system, create something we've never done, reduce those cost for you and provide any decent level of care without an unreasonable tax burden.

NikKay 03-06-2009 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Honez (Post 15586632)
I used to but, dropped it. Then I broke my foot and found out that if you don't have insurance, you get discounts from Dr's and hospitals if you pay cash. I guess that proves to me that they jack prices up for the insurance companies.

That's not necessarily true. I had high deductible insurance that left me responsible for the first $4,000 in medical bills per year. My son broke his arm and had to go to the hospital to have it reset, and when I got the bill from the hospital it was almost $2,000. My insurance wouldn't cover any of it, but they did apply their forced pricing- which is the max the insurance company will allow the hospital to bill someone under their coverage- and the bill dropped down to just under $800.

Even with the insurance company paying NO money to the hospital, I saved $1,300 by having insurance. That really pissed me off that the hospital would charge so much to people they assume will be paying on their own. They probably would have offered me 20% off the $2,000 to pay cash, whereas the insurance company forced them to discount the original amount by 60%.

lazycash 03-06-2009 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WWC-Raffi (Post 15588570)
This is exactly what i have....its insane....is there a different plan than Kaiser?

Of course, many of them, take some time and do some research www.ehealthinsurance.com I find that most of the time people are overpaying because they're too lazy to look at alternatives.

JenniDahling 03-06-2009 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WWC-Raffi (Post 15585716)

Paying $925 per month for health insurance!!! Fuck! Just got notice , it went up! Unbelievable! Whats up with this?

Dang cutie! I think you should shop around if you can get out of your existing plan. A lot of the insurance companies have lowered their rates or created new programs with lower rates and better coverage. I went from $386/mo to $236/mo including dental.

WWC 03-07-2009 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JenniDahling (Post 15593239)
Dang cutie! I think you should shop around if you can get out of your existing plan. A lot of the insurance companies have lowered their rates or created new programs with lower rates and better coverage. I went from $386/mo to $236/mo including dental.

Well thats about the same as mine which is for a family of 4 ;-) but i think i am going to look into incresing the deductible, doctor visit fee and presciption fees higher....currently i have no deductibles and zero fees.....

baddog 03-07-2009 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WWC-Raffi (Post 15595050)
....currently i have no deductibles and zero fees.....

Changes everything.

blonda80 03-07-2009 02:41 AM

i have health insurance but i don`t use it :) tips and cash are the power in my country :)


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