You people and your numbers, you have no clue.. 500k a year? I can't say still is, BUT IT WAS A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR PROGRAM. That's prob at least 3 Million a year, at least.

And you think he dropped to 500k a year? 20-30 sales a day sustained for years, 1300 members? Even if he is at those numbers today, it still wouldn't have hit 500k, even if he kicked all his affiliates out and lived on the rebills and inhouse traffic, it wouldn't be at 500k a year.

I'm sure LS has taken a hit.. But people, wake up... my program makes $500k a year and I haven't updated sites in 2 years. 500k a year is a "sleeper" program, and Steve is FAR from Sleeping.

I can list the programs an arm long that are 500k a year programs, and I know they don't have half the sites, half the exposure, half the life, damn sure not the girls names.

what you say makes sense, but it must be a lot easier said than done because that was posted by a nats programmer who started 3 failed programs/companies, evilgeniuscash, bigcockcontent and mafiabucks

Well.. First, I didn't start Mafia, I saved it from not paying affiliates out and closed it when the partner broke our deal. However, saving it was my investment to own it, so I closed it.

BCC, we changed the name... It's still going, 40k investment for 1.5 million net return.. still has clients today. That's FAR from failed.

EGC made me a few million.. After some stuff out of my control happened, I lost my motivation and quit. But that program far from failed, at one point it was doing 100+ sales a day on one site.

And that's not the only programs I have owned or still own. My biggest program is easily larger than any program posted in this thread, actually - without question.


I'm not a programmer either.. Actually, I suck really bad at code, plenty of people will back that up. So that must really toss your idea off of what I do.

the thing about Lightspeed, steve and shannon, is that their program has a lot of personality, and steve has a long history of taking smaller webmasters under his arm and showing them the ropes.

the subject of lightspeed ignites a lot of passion around here, steve helped a lot of people out on here and when i first got on GFY, he was one of the few that kept me entertained

i can say i learned a lot from him, brilliant marketer

Better luck next time, hehe.

actually that was the answer i expected.

its really easy to jump into a thread about a program thats down like any other program in a shitty market and say "well, the reason is the owners lack of skills"

i thought that was a dickish thing to say and then thought, well, what the fuck have i seen the thedoc do, except for pick up misc nats programming work? everything ive ever see him connected to appeared to fizzle out

oh, but you "vaguely" mention owning some program out there thats making a mint and thats why you can make comments like that

yea right, me too

agreed, steve is still making a ton right now.

When the Botto brothers put Maxcash on auto pilot 6 or so years ago, i rememeber hearing that they were making 10% the revenue of what they were before, but were more profitable now than ever

but you have to get off your high horse bro, especially in a thread like this

The problem here is you "assume" because I sold or quit doing something, it failed... How stupid is that?

Programming wise, I have a coder, a damn good one too. Just like I have staff to do template installs. Do you assume I do all the work?

And it is a lack of owner skills.. That's why my skills get hired. People can't figure out how to correct or setup affiliate program, how to market them, exactly what to say to members/affiliates, etc.. and of course they want it to self grow with less or NO work.

Crazy thing... I make more money selling information, things I already created, hell even ideas and theory, and research - people love research.

This is my dream job...

If the program is the one that I'm thinking of... he isn't lying. It made a lot of people a lot of money several years back. A lot. Then it ran into issues that I will not mention because it's not my place. :-)

thats my point. he went through the success of a program, some things happened out of his control, apparently had problems

pretty disingenuous to go into this thread and say shit like "Because the "ONLY" problem if you will.. is the lack of skills in business/marketing."

in my experience, if you went through something like that and you know how hard it is to maintain control, you shut the fuck up

we need steve in here to post a picture of jordans butt wiggling :)

When I left the program, it was rocking... I made a business choice to leave and being so, I started a Content Plugin.

My history, would prove my point even more. As things started to get stale (in my eyes), I moved on.. I followed a new trend. I didn't "expect" it to be the same years down the road. I have done CJ's, and TGP's, and now Tubes, and Paysites, and Plugins, and Content Companies, and Designs, and the list goes on and on..

Not failed business.. it's how I have my skills.

People get STUCK in the rut, and are afraid to move, they aren't doing new niches, they aren't marketing differently, they aren't thinking outside the box because they are locked inside of it.

Any other B.S. you would like to try to pull out of thin air?

Let me say this. A long time ago, when i was first lurking on this board, i saw you post that your house mortgage was paid off. id say that was about 4 years ago. i remember this because this was around the time i got my house, was stuck with a big payment each month, and thinking it would be nice to have at least a few hundred k around to do that, wow, how did thedoc do that? sort of thing

then some time later, i dont remember if you posted it, or if i somehow picked it up some other way, but it was thrown out that you had to make a mortgage payment every month (like everyone else)

at that moment i labeled you a bullshitter (in my eyes) and have taken your posts with skeptisicm

then i saw you throw your shit around in this thread, with a self-righteous "stomping on steves grave" attitude and it ignited me.

I didn't stop on Steve, I actually made it clear that I wasn't talking about Steve. But now that I know this is about you riding Steve's cock.. I will have a ton of fun with it.

About 4 years ago would have been in the house in S. Az, that we sold, thus no house payment. I will always have a house payment though, I move around every few years for like the last 15 years. But I'm not sure why me having or not having a payment is a factor of anything.

The person you, for some reason, is trying to defend has a house payment too.

I agree 100% with you on this one. :2 cents:

at the time you were bragging that you were doing so well you paid off your house,

who are you feeding this shit to? The context of the entire thread is about how steve is showing his affiliate sales are down and your first post was:



yea, im not talking about you either, im just talking about "some" nats programmer that ran some big cock and mafia programs that are defunct now

And I would have paid off a house.. we made great money from the deal too. It was something to brag about.

Funny thing about this.. It was Kristin that posted it.

That's why I said, this isn't about Steve. Clearly, your ability to understand English is limited.

If I wanted to attack, bash, etc Steve/LSC, I would have just straight out done it. It's not like I hold back what I think, as Steve knows.


I still run Big Cock stuff - #1 in the niche for 10 years now, copied by all but never duplicated by any.

Hey Doc
I'm selling hugecocks.org for $400
Domain is at least 8 years old, maybe 9 or 10.
web guy david @ gmail . com (no spaces)

I love how everyone is an expert on other peoples bank accounts

Suddenly everyone has MBA degrees here :)
WG

Nice domain... I'm not buying adult domains these days, trying to sell mine too. But I do know several people looking/buying domains, I will forward your info along to them.

I don't have time to read 2 pages, but I do know that Steve and Lightspeed are in tact. I also know that posting on GFY or not does not necessarily represent a viable business or not.

From CCBTools I have had so many clients that... ready for this... don't even know that GFY exists or that adult webmaster trade shows happen. Yet these same clients are making a ton of cash on the web just like those who do post here.

....and the voice of reason speaks. Thanks for posting this far more eloquently then I could have. Steve and Shannon have built a solid foundation at LightspeedCash.

I haven't been privy to concrete stats in several months, however seeing 'top affiliates' earning less isn't necessarily an accurate reflection of how things are or how stable a business is - not when you take into account variables like there were far less solo girl sites 3-4 years ago and affiliates have diversified where their traffic goes, and no one here really knows how much an affiliate base has grown over a few years. It is conceivable to have a scenario where top affiliates are earning less, but the overall active affiliate base has grown and the volume makes up the difference. Add on top of that that most programs don't rely entirely on affiliate traffic to make up their base.

One thing is for certain - Steve branded the company so well that even months after his last posts here, people are still talking about it :)

Looks like somebody has been paying atenttion to this thread :winkwink:

TOP 100 Affiliates For The Past 31 days

Rank for past 31 days: # N/A
Rank Location Commission
1 non-published $27615.00

100 Prague 1, Czech Republic $23.97

I sent account change request few days ago , but still no reply from Lightspeed.
How come I can't change payment details when epassporte is dead? How do you suppose to pay me then?

Steve is 1 of the coolest and most hospitable of all the people I know in this industry

I fucked all of your mothers... Except for Wired Guys... She said I needed a higher post count...

LightspeedCash is dead

No doubt, but I still not able to change my payment info...

Why dead? just got a signup notification 8)

Yup. Happened.

How about you email them rather than bump an extremely old thread.... you might actually get a response.

how about i never got reply to my mail?