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Iron Fist 02-20-2009 11:41 PM

Let me know when we achieve ludicrous-speed...

Darkland 02-21-2009 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 15529859)
Interesting read on a theory from Tipler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Point_(Tipler)

Interesting indeed, but my problem with this theory is the suppostion that the universe will end in a "Big Crunch" which has yet to have any solid proof any such event will ever happen.

We don't even know all there is about our own solar system, let alone our galaxy, neighboring galaxies and the universe at large. Among scientists there are 3 agreed possible outcomes of the universes ultimate fate.

In regarding the 3 below one must consider that the universe already contains all the energy and matter that it ever will. No new energy or matter can be created.

1. That the universe truly is infinite and always will be. The current argument against this was lost years ago amongst the steady state advocates to the big bangers.

2. That the universe continues to expand at an exponential rate and continues to do so, stretching ever thinner, cooling down and eventually dying a chilly death.

3. That the universe expands to its explosive limit (depleted energy from the big bang) and it begins to contract upon itself back to the origin of singularity. Also know as the "Big Crunch", some scientists also believe that this is a repetitive event driven phenomenon. Meaning there have been multiple "Big Bangs" and "Big Crunches", driven by a singular event, with each successive expansion being smaller and smaller.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-21-2009 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15531549)
Interesting indeed, but my problem with this theory is the suppostion that the universe will end in a "Big Crunch" which has yet to have any solid proof any such event will ever happen.

We don't even know all there is about our own solar system, let alone our galaxy, neighboring galaxies and the universe at large. Among scientists there are 3 agreed possible outcomes of the universes ultimate fate.

In regarding the 3 below one must consider that the universe already contains all the energy and matter that it ever will. No new energy or matter can be created.

1. That the universe truly is infinite and always will be. The current argument against this was lost years ago amongst the steady state advocates to the big bangers.

2. That the universe continues to expand at an exponential rate and continues to do so, stretching ever thinner, cooling down and eventually dying a chilly death.

3. That the universe expands to its explosive limit (depleted energy from the big bang) and it begins to contract upon itself back to the origin of singularity. Also know as the "Big Crunch", some scientists also believe that this is a repetitive event driven phenomenon. Meaning there have been multiple "Big Bangs" and "Big Crunches", driven by a singular event, with each successive expansion being smaller and smaller.

i don't see the mention of a multiverse here. there's a lot of study now going towards the possibility that in a multiverse, individual universes can split and have offspring baby universes. in a way somewhat similiar to single celled organism splitting and giving new life. as opposed to our singular universe just ever-expanding. that our universe and the big bang may just be the offspring of an older universe, and that we may have in fact sprung life into several other baby universes ourselves. they also say that our universes may be connected by a type of umbilical cord by means of the black holes and that on the other side of a black hole may in fact be a white hole, from which all that supposedly disappeared matter springs forth from. this could explain the instance of the big bang. a massive flush of matter being thrust forth into another dimension, creating a new universe. "big bangs" could be continuously happening.

apparently they say that gravity can cross dimensions. when looking at dark matter, which has a gravitational pull yet doesn't appear to be composed of any particular matter itself, some physicists believe this may in fact be a gravitational pull crossing dimensions from another universe. in a few years there's supposed to be a new satellite being launched which will be listening for shockwaves from the big bang or some shit along that lines. they're hoping that they may just be able to prove the existence of the multiverse by listening for these other big bang occurrences.

it's all pretty trippy shit really. quantum physics is ridiculous. strange beyond belief. read up on the double-slit experiment to shat some bricks...

who 02-21-2009 11:24 AM

"John Titor" is some person's way of showing just how much more intelligent they is than you. :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

Dirty F 02-21-2009 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Voodoo (Post 15529246)

Titor explains that his "Worldline" may not be "Exactly" what ours is (or was when he was posting), but if most things were at least similar... similar outcomes would happen. Not 100% accurate, as his "History" may or may not be exactly what ours is, today.

Well, guess why he uses this theory instead of other theories.

Seriously, i understand that the time travel subject is interesting but stop giving this idiot attention. He's simply a scammer.

Dirty F 02-21-2009 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15531549)
Interesting indeed, but my problem with this theory is the suppostion that the universe will end in a "Big Crunch" which has yet to have any solid proof any such event will ever happen.

We don't even know all there is about our own solar system, let alone our galaxy, neighboring galaxies and the universe at large. Among scientists there are 3 agreed possible outcomes of the universes ultimate fate.

In regarding the 3 below one must consider that the universe already contains all the energy and matter that it ever will. No new energy or matter can be created.

1. That the universe truly is infinite and always will be. The current argument against this was lost years ago amongst the steady state advocates to the big bangers.

2. That the universe continues to expand at an exponential rate and continues to do so, stretching ever thinner, cooling down and eventually dying a chilly death.

3. That the universe expands to its explosive limit (depleted energy from the big bang) and it begins to contract upon itself back to the origin of singularity. Also know as the "Big Crunch", some scientists also believe that this is a repetitive event driven phenomenon. Meaning there have been multiple "Big Bangs" and "Big Crunches", driven by a singular event, with each successive expansion being smaller and smaller.

I just had a big bang in my pants.

Dirty F 02-21-2009 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 15531681)
Well, guess why he uses this theory instead of other theories.

Seriously, i understand that the time travel subject is interesting but stop giving this idiot attention. He's simply a scammer.

Actually he is far from an idiot. Let's just call him a scammer instead.

Darkland 02-21-2009 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15531671)
i don't see the mention of a multiverse here. there's a lot of study now going towards the possibility that in a multiverse, individual universes can split and have offspring baby universes. in a way somewhat similiar to single celled organism splitting and giving new life. as opposed to our singular universe just ever-expanding. that our universe and the big bang may just be the offspring of an older universe, and that we may have in fact sprung life into several other baby universes ourselves. they also say that our universes may be connected by a type of umbilical cord by means of the black holes and that on the other side of a black hole may in fact be a white hole, from which all that supposedly disappeared matter springs forth from. this could explain the instance of the big bang. a massive flush of matter being thrust forth into another dimension, creating a new universe. "big bangs" could be continuously happening.

This area of research is fairly new and emerging which is why I didn't bring it up. There is still too little research to count it yet but I am sure that will change. Part of what you are talking about is an actual collision of multiverses in which the area of contact or what we know in our universe as the singularity, created an explosion of matter from both universes to create a new one.

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15531671)
apparently they say that gravity can cross dimensions. when looking at dark matter, which has a gravitational pull yet doesn't appear to be composed of any particular matter itself, some physicists believe this may in fact be a gravitational pull crossing dimensions from another universe.

Gravition is a strange beast... As much as we like to think we know ALL about it, nothing could be further from the truth. We have recorded near events that behave in a way not explainable by present day gravitational theorem's. Unknown forces acting upon space, time and matter in an atypical fashion.

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15531671)
in a few years there's supposed to be a new satellite being launched which will be listening for shockwaves from the big bang or some shit along that lines. they're hoping that they may just be able to prove the existence of the multiverse by listening for these other big bang occurrences.

We are already able to detect this to a degree although there is much interference in such readings on earth. It is called CBR (Cosmic Background Radiation) or CMBR (Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation). I am looking forward to this launch as once in space they will get much better readings and start getting more data on the true age of the universe.

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 15531671)
it's all pretty trippy shit really. quantum physics is ridiculous. strange beyond belief. read up on the double-slit experiment to shat some bricks...

I am a huge science geek as you might be able to tell and I am well studied in quantum physics and phenomena. But it DOES give new meaning to the saying, "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to observe it, does it make a noise?" Never underestimate the power of observation or the lack of. See Schrödinger's cat... :winkwink:

GatorB 02-21-2009 12:21 PM

I have a time machine. Unfortunately it only moves forwards and at normal speed.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-21-2009 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkland (Post 15531994)
I am a huge science geek as you might be able to tell and I am well studied in quantum physics and phenomena. But it DOES give new meaning to the saying, "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to observe it, does it make a noise?" Never underestimate the power of observation or the lack of. See Schrödinger's cat... :winkwink:

Schrodinger's cat was an interesting one. The idea that all possible outcomes are coexistent until observed is pretty trippy to me. Untilt he box is open the cat is both dead and not dead. Until someone is there to observe the falling tree, it both does and does not make a sound. Odd, but when you observe something like the double slit experiment it really makes you start to think. You're obviously more well versed in physics than I am. I am just a dabbler in many things. Jack of all trades, master of none I guess. :1orglaugh It is something I've been reading more and more on though. Makes me wish i took physics in highschool instead of chem...

Agent 488 02-21-2009 12:25 PM

know some of the guys behind it, though it has been hijacked by fuckers trying to make a profit off it.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 02-21-2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 15531999)
I have a time machine.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h3...amite-fs21.jpg

Darkland 02-21-2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 15531999)
I have a time machine. Unfortunately it only moves forwards and at normal speed.

Actually what you are experiencing is a causality loop known as "now" or "the present" :1orglaugh


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