What other producers have sat down with a lawyer, paid for an ungodly number of research hours and got an actual legal opinion on the whole issue?

These companies which you mention, has one of the worst reputations in the industry right now and as it is a lot of webmasters REFUSE to be a part of any site that sponsors.If, i`m talking about AFF , they are a little bit up than absolute scumbags like zango.But not more:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

You left out that everyone is an also an economist, a sociologist totally versed in the nuances of immigration policy, and the soon-to-be Nobel peace prize winner for solving the Middle East and terrorist crises. :2 cents:

It is pointless.

Because you see, no doubt you will find one of those same companies advertises here, so by even visiting this site then you would be in the wrong. :1orglaugh

That is the funniest part of gfy "boycotts," bitch about tubes, bitch about aff, bitch about whatever.... they advertise right here!

Now post away! :1orglaugh

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You're 24 and you've been in the business for 10 years. That's always good to know. :1orglaugh

Theres alot of people who started young. I started out in the E/N shit and had porn mixed in, but really didn't SELL porn, until I met a guy named Joe (com3designs.com) and he told me I could actually make money off it, so I did, GammaCash was my first account.

Until the dmca laws change, stolen content will exist in mass. Just the way it is. It appears that most stolen content sites WILL take your shit down if you notify them so we've got that going for us. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of time to locate your own shit so hire RemoveYourContent and just chock the $200/month up to the cost of doing business. They do a great job.

I believe that stolen content tubes and torrents will go away eventually but it will take time. It appears the big boys of porn are not going to spend the money to fight these sites and they've decided instead to embrace them. Fine, under the current law, they have that right. However, is it my hope and belief that the mainstream media will lobby for laws that will benefit adult as well. It's just a matter of time.

I believe the programs who advertise on stolen content sites are shooting themselves in the foot. They just don't realize it yet. For that reason, I'm glad they advertise on these sites. It is my belief that this will mean more business for me in the long-term. Why? Because affiliates are dropping sites that allow tubes and torrents to freely give away their content. Their ratios start hitting 1:2000 and they go looking for different sponsors. So, they pick up programs like mine. Which is nice. :-)

It is my educated belief that, once the DMCA laws change, stolen content sites will be gone, for the most part. Yet, I'll still have all the affiliates who used to promote the programs that allowed their material to be given away for free and advertised on stolen content sites. They'll hopefully contine to be happy and never leave me.

Does it suck right this very moment? Yes it does. But, long-term, programs like mine that actively police sites for stolen content and do not advertise on sites with stolen content, are going to continue to poach affiliates and are going to become stronger and stronger.

I equate the programs that allow tubes to display their content in full length videos and/or advertise on these sites, to people who smoke cigarettes. They know it's going to kill them they just don't know when so it provides pleasure to them NOW, so they'll continue to do it. And that's just fine in my book. All I have to do is survive until the cancer hits. :-)




:2 cents:

how many times has a thread been posted in which a customer bitched about the site being streaming only. That a complaint about taking away someones timeshifting right.

the fact that they don't explictly spell out that it because, court already ruled "i am selling you access, not the content, you only have access when i say you do" doesn't make the expression any less valid.



so setup a private tracker and shut me up. Even if you personally believe that it is not a legitimate beef but simply and excuse to justify "stealing from you" , setting up a private tracker will solve the problem by eliminating the fair use "excuse" and allowing you to come down hard on the "theives".

Whining and putting up a little :disgust icon is just being a crybaby about the issue.


or the affiliate network will collapse, end up being replaced with process monitezation and you will be best buggy whip salesman in the auto industry.

I suppose anything is possible but a sponsor can only get out so many links on their own. I just can't see a sponsor surviving without the support of affiliates. Again, just my two cents. I could be wrong.

ah you don't understand process monitezation. got it.

We're taking more/less the same approach as SteveHardeman. It'll be a bloody battle for the immediate future, and there'll be some casualties. However, I think it's a war worth fighting... and rolling over now, giving up, and allowing the "illegal" tubes/torrents, etc. to dictate the future isn't the answer.


BTW SteveHardeman, since I really like your site and agree with your ethics on this issue, please hit me up about trading some traffic if you're interested.

Personally I don't see laws really changing in this area for atleast 5 years. To the law makers this is perfect how it is. Which it's not, but they don't see the loss of income from this.

If a law maker had shared in an adult company then im sure it would be a different story.

Great posts Steve and I dont see the affiliate model going anywhere.It just going to have to be based in reality like it is in mainstream.

I respectfully disagree here but lemme splain why. The lawmakers couldn't care less about what's going on. Fully agree with you there. It's the mainstream entertainment industry that most certainly cares. And I believe it is the representatives of the mainstream industry who will file lawsuits and set entertainment precedents that will apply to ALL digital entertainment available on the internet. Not just mainstream. Rather than placing the burden of proof on the owner of content to find and then file paperwork to have it removed, I believe we will soon see the day when it is the obligation of a site owner to ensure the content on their site is not stolen BEFORE they offer it. And when that happens, we'll all be better off.

If I had the cash to sue some of these stolen content sites, I'd do it. But I don't. So, in the meantime, I'll sit and wait for the mainstream guys to do my work for me. I really have little choice in the matter.

Great post Tony. Anyone who agrees with me is obviously a brilliant person. :-)

Isn't this more or less what Viacom vs. Youtube is all about?

What happens if Youtube (Google), who must have pretty deep pockets for legal fees, wins and sets precedent the other way? Then it will be open season on content.

The way I see it is that DMCA does not complete the task it was intended to. It needs to be rewritten and the law changed to be more relevant to today's technologies as oposed to hoping a court will interpret the existing laws in a favorable way. :2 cents:

never going to happen under the current law
the original act specifically designed your exclusive right not to be an absolute monopoly.
Such a ruling would grant copyright holders sherman anti trust level monopoly and would not survive appeal process.

1. DMCA is balanced if not overly pro copyright holder now
2. there is 2.2 trillion dollars of the US economy that is dependent on fair use staying exactly where it is.
3. And higher laws like sherman anti trust act, can overturn a bad law like that if it was passed.