i don't want you nor any others 2 know were I live.. It is non of your business nor anyone else's... PERIOD...

and why would you agree with some fucked up law like this... You don't care if everyone knows were you live... Well I happen to have some Crazed Ex-Wifes... and a shit pot of very crazy ex-girl friends... Screw that law they can put my white ass in jail...

all corporations and people doing brick & mortar business have their information publicly available. u are full of shit saying u can do stuff anonymously because it is YOUR right 2 do so, tell that 2 the other millions of business owners who are legally required to have information avail. to the public. it is a cost of doing business and making money. what do you have to hide?

putting valid contact info on a domain even if it doesnt list your real name and home phone # but has proper mailing address and a working email, yes that should be a law.

You don't have a real business without a real name and address, and trying to assert any of the positive rights you might have when your business is owned by someone imaginary could result in some fairly laughable courtroom testimony.

who in the hell are you 2 tell me what I should and should not do.. I had a Scale Company for *25 years*... Sold it and moved.. and now I don't want anyone to know were the fuck I am....PERIOD... And I should be able to do this in the USA... after all the last I heard it was a *FREE* country. And you are the one full of SHIT.

When you start doing business you lose the right to absolute anonymity. Besides, you have shifted the argument to the question of knowing where you are, whereas the question was one of putting up accurate WHOIS info, which is something else entirely. You can put up accurate WHOIS information without giving the coordinates to where you are.

htaccess.

It's just one of the hassles of working online... you're never going to have 100% lawful people dealing with you unfortunately.. and even if you did know who the company was how are you going to do anything to some shell company in russia? You've just go to cop it sweet and move on.
I am incorporated and the executor of a trust - the latter a lot more anonymous than the first but until I absolutely need to I won't be putting even this info on there.. I spoke to my registrar a long time ago about this and was told that as long as you had the correct email you'd be right.. I have email and cell # on there I don't see the need for anything more. Call me silly and paranoid if you want - and I guess it may be warranted and i'll take it on the chin - but it doesn't worry me.

well the joke's on them... all my doamins are registered to a real former address at #1 World Trade Center, 101st floor... so technically i no longer exist.

sorry, wrong. plz learn reading comprehension and try again. no chumps allowed.

for a businessman u sure dont have any common sense, surprised you werent begging ppl to take it off ur hands. :1orglaugh

C'mon people, some of you just fucking amaze me.

You think that everyone with a domain name on the internet should be required to give out their real name, address and a working phone number?

Then you pull the old "If you don't have anything to hide" shit.

I am sick of hearing dumb asses saying "If you don't have anything to hide".

Do you lock your doors at night? Maybe close your curtains? Why would you do that if you don't have anything to hide?

Can I come search your house for contraband? Why not, if you have nothing to hide?

Maybe we should put cameras in your house to watch your every move, I mean you don't have anything to hide do you?

I get TONS and TONS of spam from the emails that I put on my whois information. I SURE as shit don't want them calling me up on the phone. Hell, it's bad enough they use my fucking name in some of those emails and yes, I have received "snail mail" spam from hosting companies and the like who got my info from whois.

It's a fucking bullshit idea which will be used in the USA's upcoming crackdown on porn.

Look, if you are doing business online and "accepting credit cards" you had to give REAL information in order to process payments, and if anyone wanted to take legal action it is that route which would seem most obvious.

What about all the sites on "free" hosting? What are we going to do about them? Or how about all the stores on Ebay.com and Yahoo.com that don't use their own domains? Better put those guys in jail quickly!

When I walk into my local brick and mortar store I don't get the home phone number of the manager of that store now do I? I don't see that information posted publicly.

Sure, you can incorporate and hope that helps protect your privacy but it still leaves a nice paper trail for the US government to use against you when they decide to crack down on porn.


And please stop posting messages that claim that people are FREE in the USA. YOU ARE NOT FREE IN THE USA.

If you were free you could have oral sex with your wife in every state without worrying that you could be sent to jail for doing that. You can't even get a tattoo legally in some states.

Freedom is allowing people to do things in the privacy of their own home even if you don't like what it is that they are doing.

In the USA, you are free to be a gun carrying Christian conservative consumer, but not the right to have oral sex with your wife.

very well said dude... i never thought i'd say this but thank god i live in Canada... at least fisting is legal up here... LOL

AMEN.

/me watches Deamonwolfe bitchslap dicksplit or dickbomb whatever his name is in the face

hehe

You think that everyone with a domain name on the internet should be required to give out their real name, address and a working phone number?

Sure do! All legal businesses have to supply the local governmental agency that deals with such information and they in turn hand it out to anyone in the general public upon request--most always it goes right to that business
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Then you pull the old "If you don't have anything to hide" shit.

I am sick of hearing dumb asses saying "If you don't have anything to hide".

Do you lock your doors at night? Maybe close your curtains? Why would you do that if you don't have anything to hide?

Yes, we close the curtains and triple lock the doors, have a guard dog, 2 alarms and several guns. Why? To keep anonymous assholes from walking in to take our shit. Curtains? So you can't see if we have any shit worth taking.
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Can I come search your house for contraband? Why not, if you have nothing to hide?
Yes you may, but if you touch my tylenol, see two of the above - subclauses, guard dog and guns
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Maybe we should put cameras in your house to watch your every move, I mean you don't have anything to hide do you?
We already have 12 cameras but they point OUT so we can see anonymous assholes trying to look in at our shit.
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I get TONS and TONS of spam from the emails hat I put on my whois information. I SURE as shit don't want them calling me up on the phone. Hell, it's bad enough they use my fucking name in some of those emails and yes, I have received "snail mail" spam from hosting companies and the like who got my info from whois.

Sorry that you spend so much time ranting instead of reading on how to stop this from happening and if it doesn't, follow up and collect a couple of grand for them harrassing you
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It's a fucking bullshit idea which will be used in the USA's upcoming crackdown on porn.

Again, sorry, this regulation has been around several years but netsol decided in their infinite wisdom that they didn't have time to be verifying the whois dbases, only the time to trash it as much as they could with anonymous assholes writing the code etc
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Look, if you are doing business online and "accepting credit cards" you had to give REAL information in order to process payments, and if anyone wanted to take legal action it is that route which would seem most obvious.

Sure they would but thats not the point. This is a regulation from the governing body over IPs, whois dbases and several other things. It supercedes other laws just as state law can intensify federal law
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What about all the sites on "free" hosting? What are we going to do about them? Or how about all the stores on Ebay.com and Yahoo.com that don't use their own domains? Better put those guys in jail quickly!

Who says they fall thru a crack? They may NOT be legal under the statues and will be dealt with accordingly, or they may be forced to verify that all information they are given by anonymous asshole users is correct
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When I walk into my local brick and mortar store I don't get the home phone number of the manager of that store now do I? I don't see that information posted publicly.

They don't? Most all of them have their address, hours, phone numbers posted inside as well as on the doors.
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Sure, you can incorporate and hope that helps protect your privacy but it still leaves a nice paper trail for the US government to use against you when they decide to crack down on porn.

Skiza? No one has to incorporate to use a company name. Read your federal tax rule manuals instead of anonymously whining about having to pay them. Asshole
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And please stop posting messages that claim that people are FREE in the USA. YOU ARE NOT FREE IN THE USA.

Didn't listen in your government class? Or did they throw that anonymous asshole asleep on his desk out before you got that far? The constitution guarentees us certain freedoms, not total freedom. Get it straight or don't anonymously post on boards quoting your lack of knowledge. Fill in the blank here
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If you were free you could have oral sex with your wife in every state without worrying that you could be sent to jail for doing that. You can't even get a tattoo legally in some states.

Oops! State laws written 100 years ago. Catch your anonymous asshole up by whining to your state reps and getting said laws changed. GFY won't vote in your favor
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Freedom is allowing people to do things in the privacy of their own home even if you don't like what it is that they are doing.

You ARE free to do whatever you want inside your home, as long as they don't violate local law. Or possible cause harm to someone outside your anonymous shanty. (blank fill in)
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In the USA, you are free to be a gun carrying Christian conservative consumer, but not the right to have oral sex with your wife.

Sure they voted to be ALLOWED to carry that gun. Never know when you will catch your anonymous wife blowing some asshole and NEED that gun

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I think that about covers your rant. Sorry that YOU have NO say in the rules on the net. Sorry that when they DO catch you violating them, they will at the very least yank your domains if you don't fix it (and if they can even reach you since you have false contact information. We aren't in favor of jail and that all they want but if the anonymous assholes don't do it when asked nicely... Lock their anonymous assholes up where they get their wish. Lose their names and get a number to be called. And they will be anonymous asshole for con 3598602 to use since it IS a loose asshole. And anonymous at that.

Let me know if you need some more 'splaining done sonny. :thumbsup

I cant believe you actually took the time to pick apart his entire post which was 100% accurate. You want some father of the model you got on your front page beating your ass cause he is pissed off that you are exploiting daddys little girl? I dont.
You want some sick fuck that is inlove with your wife knocking on your door cause he wants to fuck her or rape her after he saw one of her amateur cam shows? I dont.
You follow what I am saying?


We havea right to privacy.. and I dont want the DrewKoles of the world, and the Dickblasts of the world knowing shit about me or where I live... One word for you.. *stalker*

How many times do I need to repeat this. Accurate information needn't be your home address and home phone number. It can be a business address (which can be a drop box which forwards mail to you anonymously) and your phone number can be unlisted or a cell phone or a message service. You can use a hotmail.com e-mail address. I think the problem is people who put in FALSE information.

I am aware of that.. But why the hell should I buy a po box, a cell phone,a answering service,a unlisted number just to protect my privacy? and those are not secure in anyway.. How do you think i found out who escortbiz was? I hired a PI and found out he had 4 drop boxes all linking to eachother, and then the trail finally led to his real name and address. There is no security in that shit at all.. 250 bucks, and I can find out just about anything about anyone.

forgot to add

If I can keep my name out of the phone book.. then i should be able to keep it out of the whois databases.. but since they dont allow blank feilds.. I am left with no choice.

cost of doing business, sort of like all the hosting bills u have for getting termed :thumbsup

glad to hear that u are a stalker as well as a scammer and liar.

im sure all the cp, illegal content (copyrights and such) and spammers r getting extremely unhappy now that all of a sudden multiple laws are on the table that punish them for being anon lamers. ah well.

:thumbsup

G-D is a ninja

thank god for the voices of reason

:GFYBand

The security lies in the fact that it can be that difficult to track down the information (most people would regard having to hire a PI as more trouble than they want to go through). The day you want to serve someone with a legit subpoena, you'll want them to be findable some way or other. But that info doesn't need to be as close as the phone book or information operator.

BTW, I just confirmed with someone who should know: Many registrars will disable any domain if it can be shown the information is bogus.

That will go nowhere!

Only took 5 minutes to do that pimp... Unlike you, I think fast and type faster, with some wit.

Maybe if you didn't spam anything that moves (and I have heard you spam people for an hour after their death certificate is made out) you wouldn't have the drewkoles and others mad at you.

On the other hand? Had a stalker, he was dealt with summarily. Did you miss the gun and dog clauses? I also did a followup with information to his wife so when she dumped him, she got it all. I'm not one of your typical board flamers. I don't GEt mad, I just get even.

And a Daddy at the door? Well I guess the mailguys would have to explain to him they rarely do porn shoots in the office. Seems they have some sort of regulation list that covers about everything. Except shooting each other.

Btw, ANYone that knows the net... they don't need your address posted anywhere. They can trace you right back to your house via your ISP. :1orglaugh

If someone wants you bad enough son they'd get you.

Better to be prepared than to be hiding under a rock.

I agree with this, but why hand it to them on a platter?

You are a dip shit *MORON*:321GFY

NO I do not think you undstand. Some people and yes honest people * DO NOT WANT THEM TO KNOW SHIT* Do I need to repeat this. You have 1,000's of people that Inc, in the State of NV. for this reason and it is *LEGAL*. The Gov. knows 2 dam much now about me, fuck'em.

It takes someone that knows how to do a trace about 90 seconds to trace you. Less time than it takes to go to internic and do a whois.

No matter when they get around to everyone, if they find false info, your domain is history. If they do manage to reach you? They haven't said what would happen if part of it is wrong but you ARE reachable.

It seems like everyone thinks this is the old west... It was, but now the law is here and no more guns inside the city limits so to speak.

People CAN be found via their email addresses as well. Ever done a search in yahoo? Bigfoot? If you can get the smallest bit of information, then you can build on that and trace someone.

senseless to debate a legitimate internet topic with libertarian militia members G-D

ppl on gfy arent exactly the fountain of wisdom on good business practices. if u are using the internet to make money u should be required to treat it like a business. get a po box in a business name and get someone else 2 be ur officers on the corp if u want to remain as anonymous as possible, but putting fake info should result in a revoke of the domain 4 sure. i dont think the registrar should be able 2 keep it however as some of them do.

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I don't know where you people live but where I live you have to have a business license to operate a commercial web site. So I ask the the question, what is the difference about providing real information to obtain a business license and providing real information for a domain name? I suspect all of you that do not have a business license are operating outside the law, unless you live in an area that does not require a business license to operate a business.

my registrar basically said that no-one will strip you of your domain straight up if your email is correct - you'll probably get a "change false info or lose your domain" message so it's not as if they're going to be snatched up from under you. but he doesn't speak for all registrars.
Anyway all of this is solved by godaddy's masking service... I may eventually take them up on it using my trust as the owner. If for some legal reason I need to be contacted im sure godaddy will forward contact details but it'll stop jerk-offs and troublemakers just doing a whois - a buffer layer of protection anyway.

Well me for instance when I started my company and registered my domain, I registered it to my step fathers PO box in TN. Therefore anyone trying to locate me through the state, would be going to the wrong state.

I now do have MY po box on there, but I still use a false name. I use my cell phone number, and the po box. Good thing I do, because as I mentioned earlier I do have a few people blasting my whois information out in different chat rooms. One of which, I don't even know who he is. The other is just an annoying little bitch who gets off posting my pictures (private pictures she obtained from my ex) on the net and making yahoo groups about me with my REAL phone number and REAL po box. IF I had my REAL name in my whois, how many freaks that DONT know how to use whois would know who I am, and how to find me? These are otherwise people who have no clue who I am. I don't mind them having my cell phone number, but my home phone is a bit different, especially since I have children.

Imagine if pornstars put THEIR own information on there? How many stalkers would they have? Those of us who don't HAVE business agents and people who handle that for us, get stuck having to either lie, or risk being put in jeopardy. I for one just find it easier to use a work name that I have used for the last 3 years.

Is it or is it not true that one cannot operate a porn site based in Australia? Porn site or not, do you have to have a business license in Australia to legally operate a commercial web site?

you aren't allowed to host images 18+ or over on australian servers (meaning only MA15+!!)
which is an absolute travesty of representational politics - a religious nut from tasmania held the balance of power during a time when the government desperately wanted some unrelated legislation passed - basically he got to ask them to jump and they had to say "how high" there were demonstrations and marches in sydney as it was against the general public's wishes who have consistently supported porn. usually to the tune of 70% pro-porn. but this wowser got his way.. luckily is was lip-service law full of loopholes and unworkable. The situation is pretty strange - i can put an ad in the paper asking for adult models, i can shoot them provided the acts aren't illegal (rape/violence etc) sell them on video if i duplicate them in the ACT or NT but im not allowed to host an image thats R18+ on a local server... ridiculous..

you need a registered business to buy a .com.au domain name but no special license is required.

Do you have to pay to register your business. Where I live I had to pay $80.00 to acquire a business license to operate a commercial web site.

Exactly what I was thinking...I have great fear and despise of the zealots.

yes it's around $60.. and you must have a registered business or company name to purchase a .com.au address which costs $60 itself - much higher than a .com.
I am assuming the reason we have no such special operating license is that you can't just buy an australian commercial domain off the street, you must already be a business.

Dear "G-D"

I saw that you attempted to reply to my original post, but I have to admit I didn't take anything you said very seriously since you do not appear to speak very good English and are struggling with spelling.

I did find it funny that you called me an anonymous asshole though, since you have all of 13 posts (most of which are on this thread) and no one has ever even heard of you.

I guess I am anonymous because I don't give out my phone number to losers like you.

Anyone who has "closed curtains and triple lock the doors, have a guard dog, 2 alarms and several guns" obviously has something to hide.

But since you don't have anything to hide, go ahead and post your real address and phone number here.

By the way, what is a skiza?

Oh, and what sites do you run?

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To everyone else which has a brain:

Why does everyone assume that if you have a website you are in business. I know lots of people have personal websites with pictures of their kids, etc. I don't think that they should be required to put up their home address and phone number on their website dedicated to their daughters vacation pictures.

Or perhaps we are now going to require that all citizens either incorporate or lease alternative addresses and phone numbers with a DBA so that they can put up a family website?

And just how is the USA going to make other countries require "real" information, and of course how would they ever verify "real" names when they are from another region of the world.

I think there is a big difference between getting a business license which provides a government agency information about yourself and providing easy access to intimate information to the general public.

I think there's a bigger picture here. We are seeing our privacy rights erode in a mind bogglingly short period of time.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...veillance_dc_5

The government has apparently concluded that they have the right to know everything about us and if we protest that we must be hiding something. It's a slippery slope. What really gets me is that there are so many dumbasses that are more than willing to go along with it.

feel free to keep missing the point

if u are running a website TO MAKE MONEY it is a cost of doing business to have a corp identity or some sort of address for legal reasons. also none of us are advocating a home phone # or home address up on the site. a valid email is a start, a valid address for legal issues (so if the owner of britneyspears.com happened to have a personal homepage there they should be immune from legal action?) and thats all. a po box costs dollars a month running a personal website has costs 2, or u can get a geocities account and do it just fine there. but hey all those of us with half a brain must be the ones who r wrong in the face of such compelling arguments


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Dear Dickblast

I think that it is you who are missing the point. I already have this info available. Everything except a phone number can reach me just fine.

NO WHERE did it say "If you are a running a website to make money".

I read the entire article which was linked to and it did not mention that anywhere.

From what I can see most of you guys work from home. Even some of the big ones.

Oliver if you do not want people to know where you live open an office, I'm sure you can afford it.

This is the downside of being in business. If you want to stay annonymous and expect the right to take peoples money, then do not complain when shit heads like Dave Stodgehill rips everyone off. Because that is what will result with everone staying hidden.

You want to be part of the multi billion dollar porn industry then join the real world. You want the right to charge money on credit cards, then the world needs to know who you are. You do not like the rules and laws of the land you live in, tough.

I hear Mcdonalds are hiring.

That is an excellent point :thumbsup

Cassie

I don't know whether i'd agree with the entire thrust of that - of course they should be able to contact you.. thats just part of good business anyways, but im not entirely sure of the right to know exactly who you are - I think a legal entity suffices, even an anonymous one. It's a suable, liable (or limited liability) entity.
If I am allowed to go to New Zealand or wherever and legally form a blind trust to protect my privacy then thats my right.
and no trouble maker's wish to the contrary supercedes it..
I guess I view it very much from the stance that I am professional, legit and honest.. and that the only reason someone would be tracking me down would be for nefarious purposes.. if it was for business reasons, they would go through the proper channels of the site. and although it may seem like something i've been too paranoid about - it's much more a case of a little organisation at the beginning removing a potential hassle..

I don't think anyone is disputing the above for people who are actually being charged. But for the freaks who are a bit internet savvy and just get either angry at you, or fall in love with you, or whatever the case is, they should not have this information available at their fingertips.

Agreed a valid e-mail and address (po box) are in order, but a name and home phone number (for those of us who work at home)? Not really important. Besides, most peoples business phone numbers are listed on the clients merchant statements...no?

Demon i was referrin to what those of us on here suggested what actually becomes law is another story :winkwink:

but regardless

if u have a family homepage and u dont want ur private info given out just get a geocities site its free

cost of owning a domain name is ppl can contact u, thats just the way it is. mayb if certain countries want to license their domains differently they can but i favor all .com .net .org having full address & email disclosure

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does this mean that Capone can't be the owner of my domains :1orglaugh

so far no1 has ever contacted the emails he "protects" for me!

Nothing to hide

There are also those that will argue that if you have nothing to hide, you wouldn?t care if someone knows everything about you. Those people miss every point. It?s not about guilt or innocence. It?s about control and
relinquishing that control to those that want to control you. It?s a fact, if someone knows everything about you, they can learn to control you as well.

Second, their argument assumes that those who have your information will protect your freedom and never cause you harm, that government and corporate officials will protect your freedom without question, and any person who would sacrifice that freedom and your interests for personal gain will never obtain the data. Such assumptions are pretty grand, illogical, and dangerous.

(Unfortunately I can't take the full credit of the above two paragraphs...and I don't have the authorship at hand at the moment.)

Furthermore, don't think it can't happen to you....here's a testimonial of an innocent human being humiliated in the name of 'nothing to hide,'...

Statement of Amanda Buritica, Port Chester, New York (Passenger)

Testimony Before the Subcommittee on Oversight,
of the House Committee on Ways and Means

Hearing on the U.S. Customs Service Passenger Inspection Operations

May 20, 1999

Good Morning, Chairman Houghton, Ranking Member Coyne and other Members of the Committee. Thank you for inviting me here to testify before you today.

My name is Amanda Buritica and I live in Port Chester, New York, where I work part time as a crossing guard. I am here because of my experience with the U.S. Customs Service. Because of this experience, I sued the Customs Service and won a civil judgement of $450,000.

On September 22, 1994, I was traveling from Hong Kong to San Francisco. When I arrived at the San Francisco airport, a man from the U.S. Customs Service asked me for my passport, took a look at it, and told me to go to another
Customs employee, a woman. She took my passport, opened it up, and asked me who I was traveling with. I said, nobody.

She gave me back my passport and sent me to another Customs employee, a woman seated at a table. This woman asked me to open my luggage and I did. She then picked up everything in the luggage, piece by piece, feeling them and smelling them. When she got to the bottom, she ripped off the lining and again felt and sniffed it. The luggage was ripped apart completely.

She then told me to follow her behind a little door, and told me she had to pat search me. I asked her why. I asked her what she was looking for. I didn't get an answer. I was in this tiny little room and scared to death. I started shaking and sweating. When I protested, she said "If you have nothing to hide, everything will be all right. You will be on your way."

I had nothing to hide, so I let her do the search. She went out again and then came back. She said she had to do a strip search. I said, "Oh, God, why are you doing this to me?" I got more scared. She again said "If you have nothing to hide, you will be on your way."

She made me take off all my clothes. Then she told me to bend down, and she kept kicking my legs, telling me "more, more." And as she said "more, more," she would kick my legs, until I was on all four. She told me to get up and
lift up my breasts. She told me to lift up my hair. She searched everywhere.

She again went out and came back. She told me I had to go to a clinic in the airport to have x-rays taken. When I protested, she said, "You have to have the x-rays." Again she said, "If you have nothing to hide, you will be on
your way." I agreed to go to the clinic.

The man who read the x-rays said there were some black spots in there and nothing else could be done at the clinic. I had to be taken to a hospital. A big man came with handcuffs and said he was going to handcuff me because
they had to transport me to a hospital. He said "It is either go to the hospital or go to jail."

They took me to a hospital. When we arrived, a nurse gave me a huge plastic jug with some clear liquid in it, and said "this is for you to drink." I said "no, I am not thirsty." She said I had to drink it. She said "If you
don't drink it, we will put tubes in your nose and you will drink it anyway." It tasted awful.

I started going to the bathroom and having big stomach cramps. I got so sick they had to transfer me to the intensive care unit. I was so dehydrated they had to give me an IV. This lasted the whole night. The Customs people were with me the whole time, even when I went to the bathroom.

The next day, they took four more x-rays. At one o'clock in the afternoon, I heard the doctor say "the x-rays are clean." I heard the Customs inspectors leave, and I never saw them again. About five o'clock, a nurse told me I had
to try to get up and get dressed because I was going back to the airport.

When I got back to the airport, they then told me I had to sign some papers. My luggage was still there in a mess. I was so sick, I could not lift the luggage. I signed the papers and they told me I could go. Nobody ever apologized to me. I left.

For twenty-five hours, I could not talk to the outside world. I could not make a phone call. I could not speak to an attorney. I was held captive.
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I think anyone who thinks they have nothing to hide is very naive indeed to believe that we should be able to trust "the system".

this was some I stumbled across some time ago... makes u wonder ehhh :321GFY