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Abortion Clinic throws out live baby.

02-06-2009, 01:57 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488644,00.html

"Only Renelique didn't arrive in time. According to Williams and the Florida Department of Health, she went into labor and delivered a live baby girl.

What Williams and the Health Department say happened next has shocked people on both sides of the abortion debate: One of the clinic's owners, who has no medical license, cut the infant's umbilical cord. Williams says the woman placed the baby in a plastic biohazard bag and threw it out."

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02-06-2009, 02:09 AM

Not gunna bother reading story or talking morals.
If it lived - attempted murder.
If it died - murder.

Pretty simple.

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02-06-2009, 02:21 AM

Damn, that is some fucked up shit..

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02-06-2009, 02:23 AM

Doesnt sound like she would make a very good mother anyway. Fucked.

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02-06-2009, 02:32 AM

man, i've done some things that i KNOW if should be hung for, but this takes the cake. my word.

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02-06-2009, 02:39 AM

that's more than fucked up
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02-06-2009, 02:41 AM

Earlier tonight I was reading a journal entry of a 17 year old who was going to do a late term abortion at 22 weeks... and THAT was keeping me up/awake...

Now this... geezus, I'm not sleeping ever again.

This is tragic.

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02-06-2009, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by PSSuperstars

Earlier tonight I was reading a journal entry of a 17 year old who was going to do a late term abortion at 22 weeks... and THAT was keeping me up/awake...

Now this... geezus, I'm not sleeping ever again.

This is tragic.

I don't get that. If you're that far along then you need to wait until the baby is born and adopt it out. 22-23 weeks is 5 months. Bitches know if they are preggers by then. Anything after the 1st trimester shouldn't be allowed. Personally I'd put it at 9 weeks. With all the different kinds of contraception and you can even get morning after bills there's no excuse getting pregnant if you don't want to. Hell if worse comes to worse and you just can get or don't want to use contraception then take it in the ass. And if you think you're not mature enough to take care of a baby maybe you're not mature enough to fuck.
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02-06-2009, 03:59 AM

*If* that actually happened it is disgusting.
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02-06-2009, 04:02 AM

im all for pro choice but late term abortions are sick and unless there is a very high risk of the mother dying as a result of giving birth should not be allowed and those who practice such methods should be charged and lose their license.

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02-06-2009, 04:18 AM

Shit, this is so sad... I don't support and don't accept this...

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02-06-2009, 04:19 AM

Sounds like the doctor shouldn't have had a license to begin with.

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02-06-2009, 04:25 AM

Sounds like he had other cases of malpractice previously
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02-06-2009, 04:28 AM

Late Term abortions need to be outlawed... and this is coming from a hardcore liberal. Me.
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02-06-2009, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by PSSuperstars

Earlier tonight I was reading a journal entry of a 17 year old who was going to do a late term abortion at 22 weeks... and THAT was keeping me up/awake...

It is possible for a baby to live at only 22 weeks.

I am on the fence with the abortion issue, but IMO once the baby reaches a viable age then it becomes murder.

This is why I don't buy the "health of the mother" arguments as an excuse for killing a baby late term. If there really is a health concern with the mother, fine, just get the baby out and hope it lives.
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02-06-2009, 05:01 AM

Originally posted by Sarah_MaxCash

*If* that actually happened it is disgusting.

"An autopsy determined Williams' baby ? she named her Shanice ? had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive, according to the Department of Health."
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02-06-2009, 05:07 AM

This sort of thing goes on all the time, mothers abandoning / dumping newborn infants.

The sad part to me is that we're only reading about this one because it happened at an abortion clinic so it has publicity value.

Nobody seems to care when women leave babies in dumpsters, etc.

No moral/political campaign publicity to be gotten then there's no outcry and media coverage. Really bugs me when people take advantage of a tragedy to further their own agendas.

If these people, on both sides, really cared about the children then they'd be outraged every time a child is abandoned, not just when it suites them.
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02-06-2009, 05:12 AM

that is fucked up
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02-06-2009, 08:58 AM

omg! I can't believe that there's someone who can do such thing!

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02-06-2009, 09:04 AM

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02-06-2009, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by After Shock Media

Not gunna bother reading story or talking morals.
If it lived - attempted murder.
If it died - murder.

Pretty simple.

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02-06-2009, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by After Shock Media

Not gunna bother reading story or talking morals.
If it lived - attempted murder.
If it died - murder.

Pretty simple.

Agreed.

I'm pro choice but there's never any excuse for that kind of shit.

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02-06-2009, 10:36 AM

In 3-4 years... I will be trying for adoption... Hopefully I can find one of these girls and go all Juno on them...

Hubby and I are about 3-4 years away from being ready... got some more selfish living to do ;) and a few things to check off the pre-baby list.... but God, if I knew either the chick whose journal I read.. or this woman.. I'd have taken the baby right now.. Heck, I'd have paid for her medical expenses and the adoption papers.. geez.

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02-06-2009, 01:33 PM

What I want to know is why the article seems mainly targeted at the doctor (which yes, clearly did wrong) and glossed over the clinic owner being the one that "took out the trash" . The doctor being the one to take someone that late is clearly wrong but what the clinic owner did is 10 times worse...murdering a baby, and WHY? That's just sick and I hope both of them pay dearly in more than just money. They deserve every punishment coming to them and then some.

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02-06-2009, 01:53 PM

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"An autopsy determined Williams' baby ? she named her Shanice ? had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive, according to the Department of Health."

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02-07-2009, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by After Shock Media

Not gunna bother reading story or talking morals.
If it lived - attempted murder.
If it died - murder.

Pretty simple.

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02-07-2009, 01:24 PM

Maybe the baby didn't breathe until it was in the bag?

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02-07-2009, 01:36 PM

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02-07-2009, 01:44 PM

I am extreamly pro-choice. What I just read about is outright murder.

This isn't a pro-choice / pro-life issue. The mother, doctor, and the clinic owner should all be charged with murder or complicity to.

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02-07-2009, 02:02 PM

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION

Fox news isn't reporting "what happened" here, they're reporting what is being alleged in the lawsuit.

Lawsuits are filed with the intention of settling, not with the intention of having to prove in court that what's in your complaint is actually true.

This lawsuit, like many others, was probably filed specifically for the purpose of creating this news story and the public outrage that will follow.

"If" Fox News had any credible reason to believe this were true, it would be the lead story on their newscast and on the front page of their website....not buried in the health section as a story reporting what was alleged in a lawsuit.

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02-07-2009, 02:03 PM

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02-07-2009, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION

Fox news isn't reporting "what happened" here, they're reporting what is being alleged in the lawsuit.

Lawsuits are filed with the intention of settling, not with the intention of having to prove in court that what's in your complaint is actually true.

This lawsuit, like many others, was probably filed specifically for the purpose of creating this news story and the public outrage that will follow.

"If" Fox News had any credible reason to believe this were true, it would be the lead story on their newscast and on the front page of their website....not buried in the health section as a story reporting what was alleged in a lawsuit.

Good points. It looks like they got the reaction they wanted. They want to sway the public on the issue before it even goes to court.

But goddamn, that is some horrible stuff. If you bring the baby to term, you have no business walking into an abortion clinic, even an unlicensed one.

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02-07-2009, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION

Fox news isn't reporting "what happened" here, they're reporting what is being alleged in the lawsuit.

Lawsuits are filed with the intention of settling, not with the intention of having to prove in court that what's in your complaint is actually true.

This lawsuit, like many others, was probably filed specifically for the purpose of creating this news story and the public outrage that will follow.

"If" Fox News had any credible reason to believe this were true, it would be the lead story on their newscast and on the front page of their website....not buried in the health section as a story reporting what was alleged in a lawsuit.

Let me repeat this quote from the story:

"An autopsy determined Williams' baby ? she named her Shanice ? had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive, according to the Department of Health."

FACT: The baby was born alive. She was by ANY definition an actual human being with rights at that point.

FACT: 911 was not called.
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02-07-2009, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Matt 26z

Let me repeat this quote from the story:

"An autopsy determined Williams' baby ? she named her Shanice ? had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive, according to the Department of Health."

FACT: The baby was born alive. She was by ANY definition an actual human being with rights at that point.

FACT: 911 was not called.

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02-07-2009, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Matt 26z

"An autopsy determined Williams' baby ? she named her Shanice ? had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive, according to the Department of Health."

Actually air in the lungs does not mean the baby was born alive. Air in the lungs can also happen with decomposition. No medical examiner will be able to say if it was born alive for sure.
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02-07-2009, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION

Fox news isn't reporting "what happened" here, they're reporting what is being alleged in the lawsuit.

Lawsuits are filed with the intention of settling, not with the intention of having to prove in court that what's in your complaint is actually true.

This lawsuit, like many others, was probably filed specifically for the purpose of creating this news story and the public outrage that will follow.

"If" Fox News had any credible reason to believe this were true, it would be the lead story on their newscast and on the front page of their website....not buried in the health section as a story reporting what was alleged in a lawsuit.

The story was also on the front page of CNN yesterday. Sorry to burst your Fox News bubble.

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02-07-2009, 07:21 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/06/flo...ef=mpstoryview

The doctor lost his license. The state is still investigating to see if there were criminal actions.

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02-07-2009, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by After Shock Media

Not gunna bother reading story or talking morals.
If it lived - attempted murder.
If it died - murder.

Pretty simple.

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02-07-2009, 07:32 PM

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Sounds like the doctor shouldn't have had a license to begin with.

it was the owner of the clinic and he had no license

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02-07-2009, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Sly

The story was also on the front page of CNN yesterday. Sorry to burst your Fox News bubble.

Originally posted by Sly

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/06/flo...ef=mpstoryview

The doctor lost his license. The state is still investigating to see if there were criminal actions.

My skepticism had nothing to do with it being fox news, it had to do with the coverage being about the allegations in a lawsuit rather than what actually happened at the clinic.

In light of this new information, my opinion has changed.

BTW, I never heard back from you about that thing. Let me know what you want to do.

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02-07-2009, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Sly

The story was also on the front page of CNN yesterday. Sorry to burst your Fox News bubble.

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02-07-2009, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

My skepticism had nothing to do with it being fox news, it had to do with the coverage being about the allegations in a lawsuit rather than what actually happened at the clinic.

In light of this new information, my opinion has changed.

BTW, I never heard back from you about that thing. Let me know what you want to do.

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02-07-2009, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Sly

I'm still working on it. Have been pretty sick for the past couple weeks and haven't been able to get much "extra" finished.

NP.

Something is fishy about this whole thing IMO.

I hate to seem like a callous asshole because I'm personally pro-life....

BUT

This happened in July of 2006.
The FL dept of health didn't file an action until Feb of 2007.

The girl is filing a lawsuit NOW claiming that

"she witnessed the murder of her daughter" and said she "sustained severe emotional distress, shock and psychic trauma which have resulted in discernible bodily injury."

when the whole purpose of her going to that clinic was for them to "kill her daughter".

The timing of all the events and the girl filing a lawsuit over this just smells funny to me, that's all. I have a feeling we're not getting the whole story.

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02-07-2009, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Matt 26z

Let me repeat this quote from the story:

"An autopsy determined Williams' baby ? she named her Shanice ? had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive, according to the Department of Health."

FACT: The baby was born alive. She was by ANY definition an actual human being with rights at that point.

FACT: 911 was not called.

You keep saying "FACT FACT" when if you read closely, all of those horrible things are followed with "the suit said"

Staff at the clinic did not call 911 or seek medical assistance for Williams or the baby, the suit said.

Two search warrants found nothing, but officers executing a third warrant "found the decomposing body of a baby in a cardboard box in a closet," the suit said.

"The staff began screaming and pandemonium ensued. Sycloria watched in horror and shock as her baby writhed with her chest rising and falling as she breathed." A clinic co-owner entered the room and used a pair of shears to cut the baby's umbilical cord, the suit said.

This girl was 23 weeks pregnant and didn't know she was pregnant until she was being treated for "a fall".
I've got dollars to donuts that this girl was on something when this all went down...and the fact that she was coherent enough to "see the baby writhe with her chest rising and falling as she breathed" but not coherent enough to tell the staff not to put the baby in a plastic bag and seal it, or not to scream bloody murder or dial 911 isn't believable.

Doesn't pass the smell test.

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02-07-2009, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

NP.

Something is fishy about this whole thing IMO.

I hate to seem like a callous asshole because I'm personally pro-life....

BUT

This happened in July of 2006.
The FL dept of health didn't file an action until Feb of 2007.

The girl is filing a lawsuit NOW claiming that

when the whole purpose of her going to that clinic was for them to "kill her daughter".

The timing of all the events and the girl filing a lawsuit over this just smells funny to me, that's all. I have a feeling we're not getting the whole story.

I agree 100 percent. Something is not right about this story. Plus the mother filing a lawsuit claiming PTSD is pretty crazy. She wanted to have an abortion, which would be the murder of her child. I hope that she loses her lawsuit.
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02-07-2009, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

The timing of all the events and the girl filing a lawsuit over this just smells funny to me, that's all. I have a feeling we're not getting the whole story.

That is only because you are not readily familiar with the legal process. There is a method to the madness.
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02-07-2009, 08:30 PM

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02-08-2009, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Snake Doctor

NP.

Something is fishy about this whole thing IMO.

I hate to seem like a callous asshole because I'm personally pro-life....

BUT

This happened in July of 2006.
The FL dept of health didn't file an action until Feb of 2007.

The girl is filing a lawsuit NOW claiming that

when the whole purpose of her going to that clinic was for them to "kill her daughter".

The timing of all the events and the girl filing a lawsuit over this just smells funny to me, that's all. I have a feeling we're not getting the whole story.

The only fishy part is the girl. Sounds like she decided that she made a bad decision and wanted to take it out on somebody. As fast as the government goes, I'm surprised they took action within six months.

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02-08-2009, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Sly

The only fishy part is the girl. Sounds like she decided that she made a bad decision and wanted to take it out on somebody. As fast as the government goes, I'm surprised they took action within six months.

Definitely something up with her.

My thinking is just that in the CNN version of the story, everything is followed by "the suit said"....basically that's their only source is the allegations in a lawsuit.

The Fox story kept referring to the "department of health" but never gave a name for the person at the dept or health or even that someone there gave them information on the condition of anonymity....and "if" the police had followed up on a tip and found a body decomposing in the closet 3 days later, where's the police report or the comment on the record from the police department?

My guess is that all the references to the "department of health" are really references to "the complaint filed (by the plaintiff) with the department of health"

For me to believe a story like this it's going to take more than just the story of the girl and her attorney.

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