I'll agree - the fries at McDicks were good - i had the chilli nachoes at wendy's though.

Funny thing..after thousands of years in existance.

There are STILL Religious wars.

I could have sworn..when I grew up in a church.
The bible said..God has many childred (of all difference races, religions, etc.)

The Muslims think they are right and whoever isn't Muslim should die.

Whats fucked up...
The Muslims claim to be very religious, peaceful people.
And they can't understand why some poeple have problems with them?

Yet..they hate Americans.
But they come here to live and attend our Universities.

I think the US goverment aught to tell them.
You hate us and wanna come here..gfy and find someplace else to attend school and live.

How so. We send the billions in aid, and we get what out of it exacty?

So if Israel got wiped off the face of the Earth, our economy would collapse?

who would do the books? AutherAnderson?

We need Jews the porn biz is all jews im half of jew and half italian I told ya if I cant buy it wholesale I steal it

goodnight im outta here

Israel sends millions in aids to the palestinian authotiry.
Sometimes mr labrat - things are more complicated than a special-education people can understand :winkwink:

And that was an answer to my question... how?

For our billions, what do you and your countrymen give "US"?

What do our billions buy from Israel that is so valuable, that we could not possibly live without. My tax dollars keep you alive. You are my welfare bitch.

the solution is to kill all the hardcore religious people...

US owns Isreal, but the maintenance costs outweigh the benefits of ownership.

What are you giving to "your" country man?
I fail to see how a guy like you can ever be productive.
As to your question - the answer is too serious for you to grasp. But lets just say that - You get what you pay for.

Cant you just be man enough to admit that you have no idea why we let you live?

Americans work so you can sit on your ass and make traffic scripts for tgp kiddies. Money well spent. Thanks Israel.

:1orglaugh

"respect the differences in cultures and religions"

what the fuck are you smoking? do you have any clue about the history of Isreal and the conflict?

how many Arab states acknowledged Ireals existence? Iran, Jordan, Syria, Egypt etc tried twice to wipe Isreal off the map in a VERY traditional "We must kill all Zionist pigs" assualt. Is that the "respect" you refer to?

Why did they try and do that?

i know where you are going to go with this. the basic fact is that the UN established the State of Isreal after WWII. Thats a fact. Everything aftwards is just a big mess of racial and religious hatred. Isreal however, unless you can prove otherwise was definately the first to be attacked. All neighboring countries vowed to destroy them and began to mobilize right up until the point that Isreal pre-emptively took them out.

its all one long pathetic arguement about who did what to who first, but the simple fact is that it is still rooted in the religious hatred and intollerence of one side.

i am quite sure that as a Liberal, you feel that a person detonating a bomb on a bus and killing innocent men, women and children is nothing more than an issue of sefl expression and should be protected at all costs.

but all arguements about the middle east revolve around taking different issues out of context.

An interesting phenomenon that happens on GFY: Eventually all threads end up as a discussion/rant/argument about Isreal.

One side?

Can I post some examples of Israel / Judaica intolerance?

..or about who did what in the ww2

Umm.. how many US presidents were assassinated by americans?


Last I checked Israel had not made any decision to 'remove' arafat - maybe some people call for that but you know what? I think that falls under 'freedom of speech' which strangely enough is not very popular in Iraq or the Palestinian Authority. But even if Israel does decide to remove him - so what? Why should Israel not deport a known terrorist? What would YOU do? Suck his dick and bend over while he fucks you in the ass every day?

Israel IS a democracy.. there are arabs in the israeli parliament, there are arabs, beduin & druze in the israeli army, there are many arabs in israel and they all have full rights to vote in free and fair and open elections.. naturally they are all israeli citizens..

Arafat is not israeli, he is a terrorist leader, has been for decades, he has killed many americans as well as israelis and will kill many more if given the chance.. despite this he has been given every chance to form a peaceful, democratic state of his own but always he returns to terror.. he is a dictator like Saddam.. its no coincidence that he is good friends with Saddam.. they are both cut from the same cloth.. people like Arafat and Saddam need to be removed any way possible so that a new generation can take over and form democratic governments and then the world will be a safer place..


How do 'average americans' benefit from sending money to Israel? Well first of all most of that money is only for buying US weapons made by 'average americans' - the US government is basically providing employment for its citizens.. they also give billions to Egypt for the same reason..


Anyway, if america is forced to convert to Islam - look on the bright side.. you can all have 4 wives! :thumbsup

1 wife... is 1 wife too many.

And we have Mormons here. The Muslims of Utah.

I found this tshirt on my favorite news website, jpost.com

http://www.rustedpuffin.com/dontworry.jpg

Dont worry America, Israel has our backs. I can sleep safe now.

I ordered this one.

http://www.rustedpuffin.com/bud.jpg

I have read enough of your posts to know that you will indeed waste a tremendous amount of time searching out exceptions in a desperate attempt to disprove the general rule.

again... The UN established the State of Isreal after WWII.
No Arab country would recognize it as such
The neighboring countries made two attempts to destroy Isreal and failed only because the US had armed Isreal.

what do you want to prove? where on the timeline does an arguement become irrelevent? is something that happened 1000 years ago as relevent as something that happened in the last 100?

I am not Jewish. I am not even religious, but this whole middle east issue fascinates me. All these stick weilding, rock throwing dipshits rally behind terrorists and terrorist governments to destroy a race of people... then in the end are still bitching about the very situation that they created themselves.

You cant say that both sides want peace. I dont see any evidence that either side wants peace. But one defining difference between Isreal and the Arabs and Palestinians is that one side is a part of the modern world and a democracy... and the other side, namely Palestinians aligned themselves for 40+ years with a terrorist, terrorist groups and a terrorist leader. They kill innocent people and say "well, yeah ... its only because ...blah blah blah"

there is a reason the world is very unsympathetic to their cause. Palestinians dont hesitate to point out how bad they have it... when did they ask for help? The Palestinian Leadership are terrorists. The PLO is a terrorist organization. Arafat was the leader of Black September when they killed the 11 hostages at the 72 Munich games. It was people like you that granted them observer status in the UN with the Utopian notion that "we can all just get along".

Muslims dont want to get along with Jews. They dont want to get along with you. They want you dead. Doesnt that suck?

you want to argue that point? where is the muslim community when it comes to condenming the actions of Muslim terrorists based on Muslim beliefs? where is the Muslim community condeming Hamas and other terrorist groups? Who condemns Arafats own actions and his "up rising" backed by terrorists?

Its easy to look at everything on the surface and suggest that one side is seriously out gunned. There is a reason they are well armed... its because the surrounding Arab countries both pledged, then attempted to destroy Isreal more than once, in addition to the continued finance of terrorist activities.

why is it ok for surrounding countries to send mortors and AK-47's and less of a priority to build a school or a hospital.

there is an increasing one-sidedness in that whole issue and Muslim radicals are losing because the world does not agree with them. If the world does agree with them... where is the UN? where are governments stepping in and saying "hey, fuck this... we are going to send in peacekeepers and straighten this shit out"?

Palestinians and radical Muslims lost their audience long ago because of their behavior that continues to today.

is terrorism ok? or not ok?

answer that question first.

if you feel that there is anything that justifies blowing up a restaraunt full of children and women, then that would be the first place where we would part ways in our basic views of things.

there is no question to be answered of "why" do they do it. There will always be idiots with a reason "why". I think that first, that behavior has to stop before anything can be discussed.

if they dont want to discuss it based on todays principles of a civil society and want to base it on the laws of Islam and 2000 year old arguements about "sacred" sites where "infidels" should be killed or driven off of... then i say fuck it. turn them loose and let them finish one side or the other.

It becomes very relevant when the deeds of a 1000 years ago are what fuels the violence of today.



They created it? They said "hey Zionists, come on in and take my land". "Use terrorism to run out the British, and then you can turn on us after they are gone".



I dont think that both sides want peace. Both sides wants the other side gone. Dead gone.

Many of Israels prime ministers, and the IDF, were members of zionist terrorist organizations. The IDF sprang directly out of a terrorist organization.




And what exactly did the Hagganah and the Irdun become? And what members of the Israeli government were once members of these terrorist organizations?

http://www.jewishmag.com/9mag/irgun/irgun.htm



They shouldnt have to, and I understand why the average Palestinian wants me dead. If you supported the people who bulldozed down my house, I would want you and your children dead as well.



Do you live in the states? All they did for months after the bombing was try and convince the yahoos not to drive around and shoot at anyone who even remotely looked like an "Arab".

All day long... "not all Arabs are terrorists, not all Arabs are terrorists". Well no shit, thanks captain obvious. The fact that people needed to be told that tells you the level of intelligence we are dealing with here.




You cant be serious. You know why groups like Hammas became so powerful in Palestine? because they are the ones who came in and educated the children, built schools and hospitals. You do realize that Hammas and the PA are two entirely different entities correct? For someone so interested in the subject matter, you sure dont seem to have a very good grasp of this history of the subject.



The UN is always bitching at them for not paying attention.

Unrelated...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...06/wmid206.xml

"The declaration expressed deep concern about a "deterioration of the humanitarian situation" in Palestinian areas, condemned Jewish settlements there as "illegal" and urged Israel to refrain from "grave breaches" such as "unlawful deportation", "wilful killing" and "tor- ture".




Who was their audience to begin with?



Yes. My founding fathers used it quite effectively against the British and the Native Americans. It would be hypocritical for me to say, as an American, that terrorism is "bad". My founding fathers were terrorists. Errr... I mean "patriots".

You obviously watch too much American news media. And you believe it.

If there never would have been massive illegal Jewish immigration into Palestine post WWII, and the subsequent use of terrorism by the zionists, there would be no Israel.

So bitch all you want about terrorism. Israel is a land founded on terrorism.

Whats good for the goose, is good for the gander.

Push them into the sea. Kill them all.

Of course that is our official reason why we are their "to back a democracy' but can you really call or treat it as a democracy that believes it's ok to cut off water rights of some of it's inhabitants, bulldozes their houses that they've been living in for generations, etc? That's be like backing old Milosevic during his ethnic cleansing, because they were a democracy! LOL

Oh, and btw, if we weren't backing Israel with blind-allegiance we'd have plenty of other countries / allies in that region that would allow us to stage out of, btw we also have this niftly lil tool called aircraft carriers that do quite nicely....and long rang bombers that do a wonderful job.



Bottom line both parties in that region are fuckwits, the Israeli's have become more like the nazi's than they'd like to admit and the Palestinians are just plan wacky & pissed off.

I like one of my relatives idea, turn that country over to the Tibetan Buddists, they need a home, have been treated badly and can monitor both sides with impartiality... Thinking that two bad-kids in a tug of war over a small strip of land would work out ever is a freakin fantasy...

Labret, couldn't have said it better and as accurate....

The US would have most Arabic and Muslims countries as friends if they did not support blindly the terrorist acts of the Israelis ( different then the Jews: one is a nation, the other a religion).

Terrorists??? When you bulldoze family houses because a terrorist ( no trials tough, just a unilateral declaration: you are a terrorist) lived there, that is inflicting fear and terror.
When you invade towns in the middle of the night and bomb houses where people lives, that is terrorism. When you "lock down" a whole area, cut off water, etc... that is terrorism as much as when Sadam was sending missiles on Israel. When you appropriate land that is not yours, and build on it, it is terrorism or even facism! Terror is terror, and terrorists are terrorists.

The difference is that Israel is militarely and financially suipported by the US, which makes the US an ennemy and a terrorist target.
That is why the Arabic and Muslims hate the US and other nations that support the US position on the middle east.

It hurts when you have a nailed planted in the sole of your feet, and unless you take it out and clean the wound, it is only going to get worts, till the feet rots away.... Take it out, clean the wound and it will be better. Sure, there is going to be a scar, and inconfort at the beginning, but it will go away. Better than doing nothing.

Peace is the only solution to this conflict, before it spreads like a wound, and it is not with statment from the past and soon to be again premier of Israel such as "I will deport Arafat" that will get things better.

So many hightech products you use come from israel most net security products come from there

?????? so

Well in the name of peace, I for one am converting.

A salami I like 'em!

Pleeaassse wake up for fucks sake! Think about what you just said and think about such an alternate reality.. let me paint you a picture..

Israel doesn't exist..

What does exist is a middle east entirely dominated by dictators, absolute monarchs, meglomaniacs.. (as it is now with the exception of israel), billions of arabs & muslims living in poverty (as they do now) all living in fear of their leaders who never tolerate any kind of opposition or free speech..

The US is great friends with these regimes, supports them financially, militarily, does lots of business with them, makes the dictators richer..

All those impoverished, desparate, angry arabs will look for a target to vent their fury on.. an easy target.. one that wont arrest and execute entire families for the 'sins' of one.. guess who that target will be? That great democracy, the US of A..

Al Qaeda would still exist, they would still attack you.. the only difference is there is no Israel between the western world and 'the bad guys'. Al Qaeda's stated aim has always been to destroy the US - long before they ever talked about israel..

The fact of the matter is that the US has already supported ALL the corrupt and dictatorial arab regimes at some point in time and this is why they are hated! Do you really think a billion arabs all over the middle east give a fuck about israel or a handful of palestinians? Fuck no! Most of them probably don't even know where israel is! They care about the food on their table, the roof over their heads, their freedom or complete lack thereof and the US supported regimes that oppress them.

Actually this was a tactic first introduced to palestine by the british, israel just decided to continue the fine tradition.. if you can't stop your kids from strapping a bomb to their ass and blowing up a load of innocent civilians then accept the consequences.. you reap what you sow..

Sad that this has become a anti-Israel diatribe. Israel was not an issue to Bin Laden until he realized it would get him some milage in the anti semetic community. Bin Laden is really against the Saudi Royal family and wants an Islamic Republic of Saudi Arabia.

That is a scary prospect. Billions in oil revenue to help expand his self rightous interpretation of Islam. He is dangerous, as are all of the other players using this issue for their own agendas including Bush, Sharon, Hussain et al.

Islam preaches brotherhood with the other Abrahmic religions, Christianity and Judism. It is only fanatics with their own agendas who pervent the Koran to justify their actions.

If the world become independent of oil no one would care what happened in the middle east.

Mainly because they are fucken hate mongers and stupid - a concept so unfarmiliar to you :thumbsup

who said so?

wtf is your problem here

Explain what was your point :

Quote:

So many hightech products you use come from israel most net security products come from there

End of quote.

BTW, I dont think I use any product like that, so clariify and let me know what this makes th esituation acceptable to you.

Maybe these new 'Al-aeda threats' are more American propaganda.

Oh, so now all US allies are now targets...sounds like a good way to get allies to back a US war. Now that we're all potential targets we'll gladly help the US eradicate 'terrorism' wherever the US finds it. lol

LONDON, England -- Three men are to appear in court on charges reportedly linked to alleged plans to release a chemical gas on the London Underground.

The men, believed to be from north Africa, were arrested last week and remanded in custody after an initial court appearance.

They are due to appear again before Bow Street Magistrates, central London, on Monday under the Terrorism Act 2000.

The case came to light following a report in the Sunday Times newspaper which said that the men were plotting to release poison gas, possibly cyanide, during rush hour on a train in the London Underground, known as "the tube."

It said the three were believed to belong to the North African Front, a terrorist organisation linked to al Qaeda.

Quite the opposite. Threatening anyone who joins the US in this War is more likely a way to keep people from aligning themselves with the US. How does it push people to align with the US? I know the recent threats against the UK have helped the "don't help the US" factions here...

Labrat and the fiesta guy - you bring back my old beliefs that there is still hope ants will one day outsmart the human kind.
Fiesta - you are watching too much Egyptian, Dubai and Al-ghazira TV. Let me assure you its not a Jewish custom to drink young christian (or arab = new version) kids blood.. [I could be lying though :winkwink:]
Final line.

Israel is a shining beacon of light in the Middle East.
ALL other regimes in the Middle East are dark evil regimes (who happen to be Muslim --- but dark regardless) that are better gone or changed rapidly or deeply. People should find better ways to live than in dark countries like that.
Israel is a democracy - a concept so fragile in this world - especially in the Middle East. Israel is backed by US weapons and smartly so. US interests dictate that and will always do. It?s a good thing and Israel is happy with it.
As to US being good friends with shitload of Arab-Muslim countries because of their backing of Israel - A lot of tourists in Bali and their families from many countries - are happy with their so good friendship with Muslims and Arab countries and regimes. A lot of Australians who never backed Israel are dancing joyfully with the all-mighty - celebrating their friendship with the Arab world (that is a black humor if someone failed to notice).
By all standards - Israel is a free country - democracy. A nation which has mourned the death if Yitzhak Rabin, the death of 9/11 (labrat - even the none-Jews) and the death of President Sa?adat (yes ? a Muslim Arab). It?s in the capacity of Israelis ? you see.
Israel is full with good people. Israel is full with smart people (smart enough to take labrat tax money :) ? though I don?t think one pays tax if got no income ? right?). Israel is full with compassionate people. Indeed, there are some evil, stupid, dumb-ass mother fuckers as well, but while we live in a democracy ? nothing can be done against those.
Israel is often short of actively defending herself ? due to many political pressures. Israel should take down (and I don?t mean exile ? I mean through full use of the nifty American weapons) Arafat?s regime including all surrounding supporting mechanisms. The fact that the government fails to do so pisses a lot of democratic voters in Israel who wish otherwise and comforts some other voters who believe otherwise (but still get butchered ? like the two 4-5 y/o kids living in a peace supporting Kibutz alongside with their mother, by a Arab/Muslim ?peace loving? ?freedom-fighter? with an American M16 gun from close range). But it also fills Israelis with a feeling of trust in their country that sometimes you think before you act ? even if the inactive conclusion may sometimes prove over the long-term as a mistake.
Labrat ? you have very little time to try to convince your president and 70% of your fellow ?average? Americans that taking out a Muslim Arab country leaver (Sadam) is a bad move towards the friendship you are so much craving for. Good luck. God help you avoid one-sidedness and two-faced hypocritical behavior.

Am I the only one who thinks it's time for someone to read the riot act when it comes to signatures again? I guess these guys with the gigantic signatures must think the rest of us are idiots for not having big ones, eh?

Hmm, they are about to become like the old South Africa, a country in which an ethnic minority rules the majority. In not too many years, the muslim (mostly Arab) population will outnumber the Jews, and the question is what will happen then? I'm betting that the Jewish minority will find some way to stay in power.

LONDON, England -- Three men are to appear in court on charges reportedly linked to alleged plans to release a chemical gas on the London Underground.

The men, believed to be from north Africa, were arrested last week and remanded in custody after an initial court appearance.

They are due to appear again before Bow Street Magistrates, central London, on Monday under the Terrorism Act 2000.

The case came to light following a report in the Sunday Times newspaper which said that the men were plotting to release poison gas, possibly cyanide, during rush hour on a train in the London Underground, known as "the tube."

It said the three were believed to belong to the North African Front, a terrorist organisation linked to al Qaeda.