Script that will stop ANY hitbotter - GoFuckYourself.com

SleazyDream · 11-15-2002, 09:26 PM

Here's what is needed to stop all hitbotters no matter how smart they are. A script that traces back not just clicks to galleries or to link trades, cause we all know that can be faked. We need a script that can trace productivity back to a SALE. That's what it's all about - Sales. If hitbit traffic is buying who gives a fuck, but hitbot traffic doesn't buy so they would all get banned real quick with a script like that.

I would like to be able to trace back the buyer so that I could know where I got that traffic from that bought something through my site.

SleazyDream · 11-15-2002, 09:46 PM

thoughts?

11-15-2002, 09:49 PM

Aren't the signup forms encrypted and secure ? I don't think you could have a script trace a buyer.

SleazyDream · 11-15-2002, 09:59 PM

another idea would be to test a blind link site with a program that hit it say hit the links 3000 times over a 24 hour period and gave you a record of where all the hits went - a real site would fall within certain limits close to their sextracker ranking stastically according to trades and galleries. Any site that didn't pass this test would have fake traffic on it.

this might be very feasible to do?????????????????

Bobo · 11-15-2002, 10:00 PM

You're going to have to get custom scripting done to trace where buyers are coming from. You can get that type of script built for under $800.

SleazyDream · 11-15-2002, 10:50 PM

i'm really starting to think a script that tests the trades of a site might be the way to go. You can't fool statistics when you compare them.

Brujah · 11-15-2002, 11:47 PM

How can hitbot traffic buy ?

BJ · 11-15-2002, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
i'm really starting to think a script that tests the trades of a site might be the way to go. You can't fool statistics when you compare them.

I know a SAS programmer that could probably write a program that would compare all of your signups to all of your traffic and then merge to identify each account.

not sure if this is what you mean though

BJ · 11-16-2002, 12:02 AM

actually, I have someone who can do this.. he needs more details and it can be done in perl or ran on a SAS server which we have.

email me at support @ puremeds.com with all the details of the script and Ill forward it on to him.

DarkJedi · 11-16-2002, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
That's what it's all about - Sales. If hitbit traffic is buying who gives a fuck, but hitbot traffic doesn't buy so they would all get banned real quick with a script like that.

i thought it was all about free porn ?

Bobo · 11-16-2002, 01:01 AM

It's all about giving facials to strange and diverse men.

pr0 · 11-16-2002, 01:18 AM

Ummm you would have to track an enormous amount of tgp traffic to even track down one sale. But i'm quite sure its possible.

bawdy · 11-16-2002, 01:46 AM

Couldnt you just have a seperate url for each trade by appending refering domain?

ie http://www.sleazydream.com/main.html?tradexyz.com

If your sponsor supports refering URLs you will be able to see which trade sent the sale

Your ratio of inbound traffic from the trade to sales with sponsors should give you some rough idea of which trades are productive in terms of sales.

Im not a HTACCESS guru but think you could implement something like this there... definately could do in PHP/C++ etc but not sure of processor overhead involved ie (to do a header location transfer)

cgiGeek · 11-16-2002, 01:49 AM

I can do it.
Or at least tell you how to go at it.
Send me an email to:
[email protected]
with your contact details.

snowpimp · 11-16-2002, 02:34 AM

that's a great idea sleazydream!!

I'd do it this way:
If you have your own program, customize it, otherwise a program like porncash works great 4 this (since they allow 26 referring id's). I'd have each page load have a unique banner id based upon the referrer. Over time, one can easily track which trades send you sales and which don't.

anyone build this and i'll buy it....icq# 4790444

TheFLY · 11-16-2002, 03:10 AM

Dude you only have to blame the sponsors that don't give a shit about you -- and therefore provide no proper tracking...

Because satan is about greed -- like he gives a fuck about you -- he is self serving... Money is the master.

So fuck you!!!!

Create your own tracking... Track internally... I don't use sales as an indicator -- I still rely on behavior modeling... But sales indicators are definitely useful -- and as sponsors open their doors, we will have more honest and useful tracking information. I suggest we all support AdultCentro as it will keep sponsors honest and we will for once be able to x-reference sales w/ traffic and referrer locations... and x-feference trades, affiliates, etc. etc... It's all about reference...

But when you get down to the nitty gritty -- it's all about greed and money -- why else do you want sales -- more sales -- more sales! More money. More honey. More pussy. More juice. More cum. More sum. 2+2=5 so don't Jive with the truth -- I'm the sooth.

aleck · 11-16-2002, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
I would like to be able to trace back the buyer so that I could know where I got that traffic from that bought something through my site.

if you have a possibility to put a cookie or run a php/cgi script when the surfer hit "Bill Me!" button on the join page it would be VERY SIMPLE script, otherwise explain what can you do(run) on THAT page.

<IMX> · 11-16-2002, 03:43 AM

Thefly--
AdultCnetro seems great, but I want my own stuff on my own servers ;)

TheFLY · 11-16-2002, 03:53 AM

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Originally posted by <IMX>
Thefly--
AdultCnetro seems great, but I want my own stuff on my own servers ;)

Yeah but if you isolate yourself -- you lose something called "collaboration" !!!!!

Without a group effort you will always be working alone -- isolated -- in the dark... The calculations on the whole -- the center of gravity -- the DNA of existance... without a group effort you are lost wondering... and wondering and wondering...

<IMX> · 11-16-2002, 04:16 AM

Alone I am the master of my fate.
In collaboration with a profit making entity, they ultimately want to profit from my usage of their system. Especially since Adult Centro folks run their own hosting and programs.

No thanks.

I'd rather develop my own and be independent. That way I can come and go as I please

Due · 11-16-2002, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
Here's what is needed to stop all hitbotters no matter how smart they are. A script that traces back not just clicks to galleries or to link trades, cause we all know that can be faked. We need a script that can trace productivity back to a SALE. That's what it's all about - Sales. If hitbit traffic is buying who gives a fuck, but hitbot traffic doesn't buy so they would all get banned real quick with a script like that.

I would like to be able to trace back the buyer so that I could know where I got that traffic from that bought something through my site.

Basicly impossible.
If you would do it it can already be done with Larsen from scripttown.com or TM3 tgpsoftware.com
BUT the problem is not with the trade script but the tracking features that most sponsors offer.
There is a few like allliquid.com that can offer you to setup different campaigns, so you can setup your big trades in different campaigns and keep track of it that way.
But the technology from most sponsors is certainly not ready yet.
I'm thinking that one of the best solutions would probably be to get Larsen from scripttown for trading. Then talk to the owner, Frank about how much extra to pay if you would like to buy a copy of his gallery management script (kick ass) that can track the productivivity on your galleries also and then start setting up your big traders with different pages where they have the same layout but different tracking codes.
But that is a lot of work espacially if you update your site(s) often because you would then have 20 pages to update instead of 1

XXXManager · 11-16-2002, 07:15 AM

Hey SleazyDream
Definitely possible

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jayeff · 11-16-2002, 07:43 AM

An attractive idea, but even if it could be scripted I'm not sure how valuable the results would be.

First, the number of sales compared to visitors is so low on a TGP that you could easily see thousands of unproductive visitors before hitting a short run of sales. I wouldn't want to hazard a guess at how long a period you would need to track, before being able to have any confidence that the stats were reliable enough not to risk cutting off as many legal trades as cheats.

In particular, some of the biggest sites with lots of bookmarkers would likely be flagged, unless the "formula" was so conservative as to be near useless. That is a consequence of having a trading model that measures "quality" by clicks, not revenue.

I believe that the most effective solution, although far from perfect, would be to track click patterns. You are not dependent on anyone else if all you have to do is cap the number of clicks counted and/or the number of clicks over say a 1-2 minute period.

Krome · 11-16-2002, 08:04 AM

If you had a script that could do that it could also be used to highlight affiliate programs that shave. I doubt you could track a sale as it goes over to a secure server then the person could pull out of the deal.

XXXManager · 11-16-2002, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Krome
If you had a script that could do that it could also be used to highlight affiliate programs that shave. I doubt you could track a sale as it goes over to a secure server then the person could pull out of the deal.

Indeed you can

11-15-2002, 09:26 PM	#1
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	Script that will stop ANY hitbotter Here's what is needed to stop all hitbotters no matter how smart they are. A script that traces back not just clicks to galleries or to link trades, cause we all know that can be faked. We need a script that can trace productivity back to a SALE. That's what it's all about - Sales. If hitbit traffic is buying who gives a fuck, but hitbot traffic doesn't buy so they would all get banned real quick with a script like that. I would like to be able to trace back the buyer so that I could know where I got that traffic from that bought something through my site. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

11-15-2002, 09:46 PM	#2
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	thoughts? __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

11-15-2002, 09:59 PM	#4
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	another idea would be to test a blind link site with a program that hit it say hit the links 3000 times over a 24 hour period and gave you a record of where all the hits went - a real site would fall within certain limits close to their sextracker ranking stastically according to trades and galleries. Any site that didn't pass this test would have fake traffic on it. this might be very feasible to do????????????????? __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

11-15-2002, 10:50 PM	#6
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	i'm really starting to think a script that tests the trades of a site might be the way to go. You can't fool statistics when you compare them. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

11-15-2002, 11:47 PM	#7
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	How can hitbot traffic buy ? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

11-15-2002, 09:49 PM	#3
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Aren't the signup forms encrypted and secure ? I don't think you could have a script trace a buyer.

11-15-2002, 10:00 PM	#5
Bobo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,253	You're going to have to get custom scripting done to trace where buyers are coming from. You can get that type of script built for under $800.

11-16-2002, 12:02 AM	#9
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	actually, I have someone who can do this.. he needs more details and it can be done in perl or ran on a SAS server which we have. email me at support @ puremeds.com with all the details of the script and Ill forward it on to him.

11-16-2002, 01:01 AM	#11
Bobo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,253	It's all about giving facials to strange and diverse men.

11-16-2002, 01:18 AM	#12
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	Ummm you would have to track an enormous amount of tgp traffic to even track down one sale. But i'm quite sure its possible.

11-16-2002, 01:46 AM	#13
bawdy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,424	Couldnt you just have a seperate url for each trade by appending refering domain? ie http://www.sleazydream.com/main.html?tradexyz.com If your sponsor supports refering URLs you will be able to see which trade sent the sale Your ratio of inbound traffic from the trade to sales with sponsors should give you some rough idea of which trades are productive in terms of sales. Im not a HTACCESS guru but think you could implement something like this there... definately could do in PHP/C++ etc but not sure of processor overhead involved ie (to do a header location transfer)

11-16-2002, 01:49 AM	#14
cgiGeek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Miami Beach, FL Posts: 203	I can do it. Or at least tell you how to go at it. Send me an email to: [email protected] with your contact details. __________________ Need help dealing with a hacked website? Contact me via icq 163583431 :D Premium Bandwidth Managed Servers, 12 Years in business xxxHOSTit.com I work for xxxhostit.com

11-16-2002, 02:34 AM	#15
snowpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: South Lake Tahoe, CA Posts: 1,099	that's a great idea sleazydream!! I'd do it this way: If you have your own program, customize it, otherwise a program like porncash works great 4 this (since they allow 26 referring id's). I'd have each page load have a unique banner id based upon the referrer. Over time, one can easily track which trades send you sales and which don't. anyone build this and i'll buy it....icq# 4790444 __________________ HIGH QUALITY ADULT AND NON-ADULT DESIGN/MARKETING WORK SINCE 1997!! Yan - ICQ # 4790444 - Phone: 530-544-7058 SIGNS, GRAPHICS & PRINTING ~ NETWORKING AND IT SERVICES

11-16-2002, 03:10 AM	#16
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Dude you only have to blame the sponsors that don't give a shit about you -- and therefore provide no proper tracking... Because satan is about greed -- like he gives a fuck about you -- he is self serving... Money is the master. So fuck you!!!! Create your own tracking... Track internally... I don't use sales as an indicator -- I still rely on behavior modeling... But sales indicators are definitely useful -- and as sponsors open their doors, we will have more honest and useful tracking information. I suggest we all support AdultCentro as it will keep sponsors honest and we will for once be able to x-reference sales w/ traffic and referrer locations... and x-feference trades, affiliates, etc. etc... It's all about reference... But when you get down to the nitty gritty -- it's all about greed and money -- why else do you want sales -- more sales -- more sales! More money. More honey. More pussy. More juice. More cum. More sum. 2+2=5 so don't Jive with the truth -- I'm the sooth.

11-16-2002, 03:43 AM	#18
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	Thefly-- AdultCnetro seems great, but I want my own stuff on my own servers ;) __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

11-16-2002, 04:16 AM	#20
<IMX> Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,728	Alone I am the master of my fate. In collaboration with a profit making entity, they ultimately want to profit from my usage of their system. Especially since Adult Centro folks run their own hosting and programs. No thanks. I'd rather develop my own and be independent. That way I can come and go as I please __________________ $$$ Check out NICHE PAY the leader of Micro Niche Sites! They offer $1 Trials! $$$ $$$ Check out 10 FREE TRIAL SALES equals 1 FREE LAP TOP ! $$$

11-16-2002, 07:15 AM	#22
XXXManager So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy Posts: 893	Hey SleazyDream Definitely possible Contact me ICQ 9129246

11-16-2002, 07:43 AM	#23
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	An attractive idea, but even if it could be scripted I'm not sure how valuable the results would be. First, the number of sales compared to visitors is so low on a TGP that you could easily see thousands of unproductive visitors before hitting a short run of sales. I wouldn't want to hazard a guess at how long a period you would need to track, before being able to have any confidence that the stats were reliable enough not to risk cutting off as many legal trades as cheats. In particular, some of the biggest sites with lots of bookmarkers would likely be flagged, unless the "formula" was so conservative as to be near useless. That is a consequence of having a trading model that measures "quality" by clicks, not revenue. I believe that the most effective solution, although far from perfect, would be to track click patterns. You are not dependent on anyone else if all you have to do is cap the number of clicks counted and/or the number of clicks over say a 1-2 minute period.

11-16-2002, 08:04 AM	#24
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	If you had a script that could do that it could also be used to highlight affiliate programs that shave. I doubt you could track a sale as it goes over to a secure server then the person could pull out of the deal.