Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15406135)

sold it without breaking the law and got fucked and made a exsample out of all because of a closet whore.

Originally Posted by TisMe (Post 15407354)

Those posting that Max went "over the line" are complete idiots and should really consider asking Santa for a brain this year.

Doesn't matter that he went over your line, or mine, whats critical is that by agreeing with the decision you accept the right and competence of that person or group to SET a line.

Next month, or year, when they decide that whatever you do is over the line, remember that YOU gave them your acceptance of their qualifications to do so.

Gay porn being ruled "over the line" is not at all far fetched when you consider the power of the religious lunatics in this country. They've already done this repeatedly with Gay marriage.

Short sighted business people have short lived businesses.

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 15406503)

who cares what a pornographer thinks, the government and 99% of society don't care. Obscenity laws, federal and state, have been on the books in the US since the 1800's - and been tested over and over again in the highest courts in the land - and they stand - accept it or move to a country where there are no obscenity laws - there probably are none. The definition of what's obscene changes with the times - and Max Hardcore went way over the line and he got nailed.

even in a culture where hardcore porn has become commonplace if you think the government is going to change/liberalize obscenity laws you are cukoo. if you are going to be pushing the envelope of 'hardcore pornography' you take the very real risk of going to jail - and it will be the same 100 years from now.

Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 15407392)

I'm sorry, but you are naive.
Max did what he did, to make money and to provoke, and now he is playing this "they are throwing me in jail" card for all its worth.

People making content like that, ask for trouble - just like GGW and bumfights.

Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 15407392)

I'm sorry, but you are naive.
Max did what he did, to make money and to provoke, and now he is playing this "they are throwing me in jail" card for all its worth.

People making content like that, ask for trouble - just like GGW and bumfights.

Originally Posted by PAR (Post 15407843)

I've always like Max great guy to talk to.. I wish Max all the best..

As for his content..
You can say what you want about it... But I'll say this, if it all boils down to a personal view of some elses interpretation of a law that has no real hard fast definition of what is or what is not obscene and that law can also be warped be local/municial law.

Then there will be much more railroaded by the injustice of the federal government to come...

Any law with no clear definition is no better then no law at all, as it can be used for selective prosicution and little defence can be mounted to fight it.

Originally Posted by SomeCreep (Post 15405181)

The problem with living life on the edge, is sometimes you fall.

Ooooh and that gravity, it's a killer.

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 15407033)

max hardcore is not a martyr for everyone, you people act like he wrote a poem and got arrested, its reaching using him as an example of "free speech" - i believe he is in trouble for "mailing" something, just like Tommy Chong, Chong went to jail for mailing GLASS!

while i do not applaud his arrest, portraying him as a martyr for "adult internet" is not exactly the correct way to go about this.

Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 15407880)

It's ALL about the content - dont make it in to being about injustice of the federal government. It's about a old dude facefucking 18yo till they puke, and using titels like "Extreme Schoolgirls 11" dessing them up to appear underaged, Fisting, pissing, anal gapers and gag fucking - THAT is what its about

Originally Posted by ebus_dk (Post 15407880)

It's ALL about the content - dont make it in to being about injustice of the federal government. It's about a old dude facefucking 18yo till they puke, and using titels like "Extreme Schoolgirls 11" dessing them up to appear underaged, Fisting, pissing, anal gapers and gag fucking - THAT is what its about

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 15407086)

with your "hate for whores" aside, blaming this on talent is another stretch of the truth. what max did, he did alone, do not try and blame the talent. ive known many girls whove done shoots for him... and talked to them about their experience. blaming them for his legal troubles is hilarious.

Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15408820)

but your forgetting these whores signed up and asked to have this done to them and a lot of them like it.

Originally Posted by TisMe (Post 15407685)

My problem here is that so many in this business get upset over someone else making content that goes over their line, without realizing that almost ALL porn goes over someone's line.

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 15406536)

I personally like Max. I've never really watched any of hit moves.

Super nice guy though.

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 15408888)

Well said :thumbsup

I wonder how many people know that John Stagliano is facing similar charges and jail time for a milk enema dvd.

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 15408863)

Uhh...

Dude. You should read more about this.
There are many many girls out there that have said otherwise, many many girls that were so traumatised they left the industry running...

And just because these "Whores" sign a little piece of paper does not mean attrocious crimes can be brought down upon them when the camara is rolling. Most of these so called uhh.. "Whores" had no idea what they were getting into and believed they had to do it so they can get in the industry.

Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15409054)

do you deal with all the talent in Los Angeles everyday

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 15407033)

max hardcore is not a martyr for everyone, you people act like he wrote a poem and got arrested, its reaching using him as an example of "free speech" - i believe he is in trouble for "mailing" something, just like Tommy Chong, Chong went to jail for mailing GLASS!

while i do not applaud his arrest, portraying him as a martyr for "adult internet" is not exactly the correct way to go about this.

Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15408820)

but your forgetting these whores signed up and asked to have this done to them and a lot of them like it. Also a lot of fans like that just like you might like something else. Doesnt make it wrong or illegal just because you might not like it or the next guy or the FEMALE JUDGE that did this to Max.

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 15409067)

Yes I did.:1orglaugh

Not ALL the talent mind you...
But enough to know some of the thoughts many girls had about MaxHardcore.

Every model I ever shot I gave the utmost respect and dignity in the work they performed.
They deserve respect and dignity for what they do.

These "Whores" you fuck put thier life on the line for guys like you, for guys like Max and its rather disgusting to think about the way many of you so called producers treat them.

PS: For the way you run your mouth around there, you are lucky to be alive.

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 15409085)

My thoughts exactly... Max is no martyr... he is a fucking dumbass who made his money catering to sick fucks. There is plenty of money to go around... he chose his own path. Nice guy my ass.

Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15409423)

respect and dignity???????? WTF planet are you on? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
my whole office is on the floor dieing laughing :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

They threw there dignity right the fuck out the window when they walked into this business with there legs spread.

Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15409423)

respect and dignity???????? WTF planet are you on? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
my whole office is on the floor dieing laughing :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

They threw there dignity right the fuck out the window when they walked into this business with there legs spread.

Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15409423)

respect and dignity???????? WTF planet are you on? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
my whole office is on the floor dieing laughing :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

They threw there dignity right the fuck out the window when they walked into this business with there legs spread.

Originally Posted by donnylong (Post 15406135)

As a content producer that gives clients and fans what they want to see or own, and doing so inside of the law, I have many thoughts about the whole Max Hardcore issue.

I do not like his content personally but i am sure there are fans out there that do. The way I look at it is max took a niche that clients and or fans wanted to see or purchase and he produced it and sold it without breaking the law and got fucked and made a exsample out of all because of a closet whore.

If a female is over the age of 18 and wants to get pissed on called a whore that she is, and or have a screwdriver shoved up her twat to make a buck then thats her choice "Freedom of Speech" right?

The government has turned on us as a whole being united states citizens and now its just all about taking your money. Look at how much we all pay in taxes every year and what happen with gas prices. Some stupid closet whore didnt like seeing a girl getting degraded by max and max got fucked. What people seem to forget is whores sign up to get this shit done to them everyday and like it. Even the ones that dont like it still sign up to do it to pay there rent.

Do you have any idea how many whores call me saying i will do anal now because i am broke or i will do a black man now even though i hate them because i need the money. Sometimes they dont like anal and its hurts them but they dont care about anything more than that check because maybe sugar daddy for the week dumped her, who knows.

I look at this no different than a whore saying i will go to my non porn job today and make 8 bucks an hour doing whatever it might be that she does and might put her in pain and or make her do something that she doesnt want to do but she will because she needs the money. THATS LIFE PEOPLE!

I heard that the judge in max's case was a FUCKING FEMALE not sure about this but I wouldnt be surprised because i dont see a man doing this to a pornographer:2 cents:

I just found that the judge that denied Max Hardcore to Delay Prison Sentence till the appeal was a FEMALE. http://avnmag.avn.com/articles/33028.html That is 100% of the problem right there "FEMALE". I think he should have a miss trail just because of that
:2 cents:

I use to talk to this cunt that got paid like 10k a shoot and a million a year under a contract and she was a mainstream magazine model and she drove a Bentley and walked around like she was a god. We had a argument about how she is no better than a girl that makes money adult modeling or doing porn that her ass is still a piece off meet when she goes to work and puts that thong on for those pictures and bends over with her cleavage hanging out. MAYBE THATS WHY SHE DONT TALK TO ME ANYMORE :1orglaugh

I love it how its okay for big companies that have tons of money get away with putting a 15 or 16 year old on the front cover of a magazine in a bra and panties posing all sexy looking, with tons of whore makeup on as well like victoria secret did and thats ok but when a girl over the age of 18 asked to be pissed on and called a whore and a screwdriver put up her cunt to pay HER bills then thats not ok. :2 cents:

So you know why max got fucked?

Because of whores and money the 2 roots of all evil and with that said check out

http://ihatewhores.com/

:helpme:helpme:helpme:helpme:helpme

Originally Posted by YellowDude (Post 15409618)

Also as a producer I can not more then agree with this. Have the same requests. If they need there dope they do it all.

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 15408267)

my guess is you are not american.
free speech is one of the most and highly protected american rights, similar to the rights to bear arms.
free speech is free speech is free speech end of story..

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 15409656)

How about the stories and there are many the girl comes to LA dreams of being the next Jenna. The agent who doesn't really give a fuck about her, tells her its a simple boygirl shoot and surprise she walks in to a very different shoot. She is scared and doesnt want to ruin her chances of becoming a star. She is told if you dont do this you wont work again ,I will tell the whole industry about how unprofessional you are. Is it the models fault in those cases? 18 is legal but its not always an adult.
I dont think in that case Max got fucked over.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 15408835)

jury found him guilty, not a judge. fyi

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 15408835)

jury found him guilty, not a judge. fyi

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso (Post 15409663)

America or not, guidelines. Not laws, GUIDELINES.



Anything inside of those? ^

You are risking it inside the US :2 cents:

Max broke them all. Like it or lump it.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 15410899)

By that (Cambria) list, quite a few sponsors are guilty and risking prosecution.

Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 15409515)

Thats awright... I was laughing pretty hard at you as well when I heard you couldnt get it up and someone was standing outside the studio waiting beat your face in.:1orglaugh

Now that shit was funnnnnny!

I do not think you know what funny is unless you saw how hard I laughed when that shit went down.

Originally Posted by GregE (Post 15409547)

Far and few between are the days that I'm mistaken for a captain save-a-ho, but I gotta ask...

When it comes to dignity and such; what's the difference between the "whores" who get fucked in your movies and the guy who fucks them?

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 15409656)

How about the stories and there are many the girl comes to LA dreams of being the next Jenna. The agent who doesn't really give a fuck about her, tells her its a simple boygirl shoot and surprise she walks in to a very different shoot. She is scared and doesnt want to ruin her chances of becoming a star. She is told if you dont do this you wont work again ,I will tell the whole industry about how unprofessional you are. Is it the models fault in those cases? 18 is legal but its not always an adult.
I dont think in that case Max got fucked over.

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 15405169)

good luck to max. everyone takes their own risks. i don't approve of his content, but i think he has a right to do it if its consensual and does not cause pain. if they wanted us all silenced, it would be done already. all the PPV on cable broadcast would be shuttered, all the adult video stores would be raided and locked up. they don't want all of us, just the ones who they can pick off easily using their bland, uninterpretable wishy washy laws. obscenity can never be defined under the guidelines that are set as of now. there is no written black and white. its all left to interpretation. therefore, efforts should be enacted to define obscenity and influence the laws to be clarified. otherwise everyone is a target of selective interpretation at any given time.

Originally Posted by DAMNMAN (Post 15412538)

Agree with that 100% Define the law if necessary. Obscenity is a crime you can commit without knowing you did it the way it is currwntly written. (Yes, Max new he was on the other side of the imaginary line.) But that's just it, it is imaginary untill the government makes it real.