Tubes, torrents, and piracy. A webmaster's take

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  • Robbie
    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
    • Aug 2002
    • 20960

    #46
    Originally posted by Snake Doctor
    Tons of joins also.
    I don't see it in their traffic they send us. From what I read on big tit surfer forums (which I frequent to watch who is stealing what content and uploading it to which torrent to make sure CM's is removed), the review sites are now a useful tool for surfers to browse through and then go to the torrents to find what they liked for free. That's why they have sooooo much traffic and not that great in conversions.
    -Robbie
    ClaudiaMarie.Com

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    • Brad Mitchell
      Confirmed User
      • Nov 2001
      • 9813

      #47
      Excellent post, Lenny. Thanks for taking the time to share with everyone.

      Brad
      President at MojoHost | brad at mojohost dot com | Skype MojoHostBrad
      71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

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      • roxyxxx
        Confirmed User
        • Sep 2008
        • 104

        #48
        Originally posted by HandballJim
        I don't download anything to save anymore, it just takes up space. For music I stick with the am/fm radio, internet radio, and youtube. For movies, 500 cable channels, and borrow dvds from friends. Porn, heck their is over 5 million adult websites...99% of them at least give you a free sample. Even Free cams out there.

        Something new, if someone had a great idea he is not posting it on here with a many pro-webmasters.

        For mainstream, it is going to be about who is going to offer something that is easy and least time consuming. We just want things done faster, pay bills quicker, banking, medical, customer service....smarter and faster. Make this happen

        For example Ebay sucks these days, who has more money and technology with a great domain name and better system.....and you can steal this market. Even facebook is fucking lame, but can you make something better...maybe with cams, etc. I have the ideas but not the technology sense to make it happen.
        I am right in line of what you are saying - > what will be the next hoopla ?

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        • ExLust
          Confirmed User
          • Aug 2008
          • 3223

          #49
          Originally posted by tony404
          If they think almost giving it away is going to make sales they are kidding themselves. Porn isnt music.People dont bargain shop porn, if they like they will buy it.

          BE A PARTNER

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          • gideongallery
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2003
            • 7082

            #50
            Originally posted by Snake Doctor
            Careful, WarChild won't take you seriously if you don't think tubes make money. Then he'll go on to misinterpret other things you've written and ridicule you for that as well.



            I actually do think it's headed that way.

            The products currently out there are missing the mark though. There's pay per minute VOD, but just like music, people want to "own" the movie so they can watch it whenever they want, just like the DVD's on their shelf.
            There are some pay per download stores, but their prices are kind of high.

            I think a porn movie is worth more than a 99 cent song....but you're not going to get far charging 6-10 bucks for them either. (I'm talking about individual scenes here, sold as a download)

            Eventually there will be some sort of clearinghouse solution where people can download porn movies for a couple bucks a pop and producers can make money, albeit at lower margins than they've enjoyed in the past.

            The problem with that for me, the affiliate webmaster, is that there's nowhere in that model for me to make a profit. I'm still the guy who owns the record store in the mall, while people are downloading music online.
            you need to stop being an affiliate
            move yourself up the chain, or create a new path that put you in a prime position.

            sell physical goods/services that can't be distributed via torrents
            if the girls are making money by touring and showing up at strip clubs, find a way to make money driving visiters to the club.
            If the girls are escorting/ find a way to make money for refering paying customers.
            sell the stuff that can't be "stolen".
            HMV expanded their business to include movies, posters, tickets to live events, dvd, merchandising, ipods, zunes.

            sam the record man did not.

            “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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            • CaptainHowdy
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Dec 2004
              • 94725

              #51
              Awesome analogy... you're too bright for this industry, Snake Doctor.

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              • JD
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Sep 2003
                • 22651

                #52
                i always lol when ppl say "tubes make tons of $" but fail to actually prove it in some way. If tubes really did churn the massive profits some people claim there would be SOMEONE that pops up bragging about it.

                imo ppl that claim to make tons off of a tube are full of shit

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                • Snake Doctor
                  I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                  • Mar 2001
                  • 13449

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Robbie
                  I don't see it in their traffic they send us. From what I read on big tit surfer forums (which I frequent to watch who is stealing what content and uploading it to which torrent to make sure CM's is removed), the review sites are now a useful tool for surfers to browse through and then go to the torrents to find what they liked for free. That's why they have sooooo much traffic and not that great in conversions.
                  A site like yours isn't going to do so hot on a review site because you charge $35 per month with no trial, only feature one girl, and don't allow your movies to be downloaded.

                  Now before you start arguing the merits of what you do....don't....because I understand there's a place for what you do in this business and that you have a following.....but that following isn't going to come to you via review sites.

                  Sites that do well with review surfers are sites with multiple updates per day, a huge downloadable archive, and a low monthly price. Sites like those get a shitload of joins from review sites.

                  To be fair, you go to forums where people share stolen content (a den of thieves) and hear people say review sites are a great place to stop before you go get torrents. That doesn't make their opinion indicative of all review surfers.
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                  • Snake Doctor
                    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                    • Mar 2001
                    • 13449

                    #54
                    Originally posted by gideongallery
                    you need to stop being an affiliate
                    move yourself up the chain, or create a new path that put you in a prime position.

                    sell physical goods/services that can't be distributed via torrents
                    if the girls are making money by touring and showing up at strip clubs, find a way to make money driving visiters to the club.
                    If the girls are escorting/ find a way to make money for refering paying customers.
                    sell the stuff that can't be "stolen".
                    HMV expanded their business to include movies, posters, tickets to live events, dvd, merchandising, ipods, zunes.

                    sam the record man did not.
                    That's part of what this thread was about.

                    I'm trying to get ideas and/or build some partnerships for branching my business out into other things while I still can.
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                    • spanky part 2
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 1981

                      #55
                      You could teach 99% of the webmasters biz 101. They need it!

                      This industry is eating itself and I am just sitting back and laughing. I got out years ago as I saw the righting on the wall.

                      You all need to go out and get the book "Who Moved My Cheese" and give it a read. For all you GFY people, it's a short book so with your tiny attention span you should be able to get through it. Not to many big words either.

                      Good luck!

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                      • Agent 488
                        Registered User
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 22511

                        #56
                        i wish people would stop thinking the changes occurring are happening due to tubes.

                        technological changes are overturning every industry that deals with ip.

                        the newspaper industry wasn't wiped out overnight by pornhub.

                        people seriously need to take a break from gfy and read outside of it.

                        good post btw, some food for thought.

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                        • Porn Producer
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 478

                          #57
                          Originally posted by JD
                          i always lol when ppl say "tubes make tons of $" but fail to actually prove it in some way. If tubes really did churn the massive profits some people claim there would be SOMEONE that pops up bragging about it.

                          imo ppl that claim to make tons off of a tube are full of shit
                          Tubes make a ton of money from dating/cam sponsors.

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                          • Snake Doctor
                            I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                            • Mar 2001
                            • 13449

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Porn Producer
                            Tubes make a ton of money from dating/cam sponsors.
                            You should add to that "you think", because unless you own a large tube site and are hiding that fact from us, you can't know for sure.

                            Also, there's a difference between revenue and profit.

                            Even then, if they are profitable now, they can't be for the long term. One, because they are so limited in what they can actually advertise, and it's doubtful that advertising the exact same thing to a site built on bookmarkers month after month will be profitable....and Two, because they are built on content piracy and that isn't going to last long term.
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                            • jimmycastor
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 342

                              #59
                              fake tube sites, fake rapidsharesites, fake torrent sites, good way to get seo traffic

                              like the good old warez days
                              80% of those sites were fake

                              the more do, the better,

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                              • Snake Doctor
                                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                • Mar 2001
                                • 13449

                                #60
                                Originally posted by jimmycastor
                                fake tube sites, fake rapidsharesites, fake torrent sites, good way to get seo traffic

                                like the good old warez days
                                80% of those sites were fake

                                the more do, the better,
                                I'm curious, on your fake tube/rapidshare/torrent sites do you tell the surfers that they better visit your sponsors and vote for you at the top lists or else you'll shut the site down?
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