Tubes, torrents, and piracy. A webmaster's take

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  • Ace_luffy
    www.creationcrew.com
    • Feb 2005
    • 12163

    #16
    nice one

    thanks for the info


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    • tony299
      lurker
      • Aug 2002
      • 57021

      #17
      We arent like the music, producers create porn just like musicans create music. I cant go on tour. Most music sharing wasnt for profit. Where in adult its a big money enterprise funded by the industry its fucking. It would of been like the music industry buying ads on napster.

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      • Ozarkz
        So Fucking Banned
        • Jan 2009
        • 2377

        #18
        I want my 5 minutes back.

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        • Snake Doctor
          I'm Lenny2 Bitch
          • Mar 2001
          • 13449

          #19
          Originally posted by Ozarkz
          I want my 5 minutes back.
          5 minutes?

          Then I recommend
          http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/044...SIN=0446676675
          sig too big

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          • xNetworx
            So Fucking What
            • Jan 2004
            • 14445

            #20
            Clif Notes: Blah Blah Blah, Adapt or Die.

            You are all welcome.

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            • tony299
              lurker
              • Aug 2002
              • 57021

              #21
              Originally posted by Snake Doctor
              this guy is better i actually went to a class he had it was really good.
              http://www.amazon.com/Super-Reading-...3099036&sr=1-1

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              • xxxjay
                Tube groupie.
                • Aug 2002
                • 13482

                #22
                Originally posted by KillerK
                You miss one major point though.

                The illegal Tube and Torrent sites make HUGE HUGE HUGE profits.
                I don't think that is true.
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                • Nicky
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 30071

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Barefootsies
                  Very well thought out, and excellent explanation and reflection.

                  I have explained the answer time and again at shows, and on here. No one wants to hear them because at the end of the day, especially with programs going under, they are greedy. As one program owner told me... making custom banners, and putting in the work for the affiliate that 'may' send one sale is worth it to them for $35 PPS.

                  So supplying free hosting, content, domains, to ANY affiliate whether proven or not has been the greedy way to doing things. Now the market is flooded by every beer money barons and surfer who just had to sign up and got all your content for free.

                  Instead, you should have had minimums, and requirements, and raised the bar for entry. You can still, over time, solve this. However, greed and short term thinking combined with this economy and companies on the verge of going out of business, will never change.

                  You are not going to, easily, put the genie back in the bottle. Year's ago, many program, cut their own throats.

                  Now reep what you've sown. Enjoy the tailspin.


                  gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                  • Ozarkz
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 2377

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                    The biggest question for me, the webmaster, is where is my place in this scenario?
                    I, like 95%+ of the people here am just an affiliate webmaster. I don't own any content (I have licenses for tons of content, but I don't own the copyrights for any of it), so I can't sue anyone for copyright infringement, and even if I could I doubt that would be a profitable endeavor or stem the tide of freely available content.

                    I'm not a performer who can go on tour.

                    I am not nor am I going to be a pirate, even if my morals would allow me to do that, I've already explained that it's not a profitable long term business model.

                    I'm not Steve Jobs, nor would I benefit in any way if a Steve Jobs came along with a solution that would allow the industry to profit from the situation.

                    Basically what is comes down to, is as an affiliate webmaster, I'm a record store owner.

                    All I have is traffic, and the know-how to generate traffic. However, even the most popular and heavily advertised record store isn't going to survive for long in the digital music age.

                    Even the traffic dynamic is changing. The most popular free sites in the world are losing their surfers to tube sites.
                    You can't blame the surfers, one place has headphones where you can stop by and listen to songs off of a CD, the new place is giving away the entire CD for free.

                    Even the old stand-by profit machine, organic search engine traffic, is changing. Search for "sitename.com", or "pornstar name", and in alot of cases "niche name", and at least one if not several of the top 10 results are for a torrent containing that content.

                    If I were a record store owner at the height of Napster's popularity, I would either have to close my store and find a new line of work, or at the very least start selling other things in my store and become a "Music and <<other thing>>" store, that would eventually morph into solely an "<<other thing>>" store.

                    Dropping the price on my records, chaining my records to the counter so nobody could leave with them, suing Napster, complaining to everyone that walks by, tearing my clothes and doing the sackloth and ashes routine, none of that is going to bring back the 8 track, the 33, or make customers want to buy an $18 CD.

                    <<continued>>
                    Great Post!

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                    • GetSCORECash
                      Confirmed User
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 5527

                      #25
                      Very good read! The number of sites/forums linking to tubes keeps growing as well.
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                      • hypedough
                        Confirmed User
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 3743

                        #26
                        When I first read your post, it got thinking that maybe a pay-per-scene model might work better in the feature, but with so much free shit out there this market is unpredictable.

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                        • teomaxxx
                          Confirmed User
                          • May 2003
                          • 2737

                          #27
                          Originally posted by KillerK
                          You miss one major point though.

                          The illegal Tube and Torrent sites make HUGE HUGE HUGE profits.
                          yes, thats why a lot of them rely on pre-paid deals, while 70-80% of non-adult WEB 2.0 isnt able to run a profitable sites.
                          People in adult are "geniuses" once again

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                          • Redmanthatcould
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 2771

                            #28
                            Originally posted by xxxjay
                            I don't think that is true.
                            It's most certainly not true in some cases, but I can't speak for all.

                            Just consider the price of bandwidth alone, and couple that with companies started to reduce their advertising budgets.

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                            • Snake Doctor
                              I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                              • Mar 2001
                              • 13449

                              #29
                              Originally posted by xxxjay
                              I don't think that is true.
                              Careful, WarChild won't take you seriously if you don't think tubes make money. Then he'll go on to misinterpret other things you've written and ridicule you for that as well.

                              Originally posted by hypedough
                              When I first read your post, it got thinking that maybe a pay-per-scene model might work better in the feature, but with so much free shit out there this market is unpredictable.
                              I actually do think it's headed that way.

                              The products currently out there are missing the mark though. There's pay per minute VOD, but just like music, people want to "own" the movie so they can watch it whenever they want, just like the DVD's on their shelf.
                              There are some pay per download stores, but their prices are kind of high.

                              I think a porn movie is worth more than a 99 cent song....but you're not going to get far charging 6-10 bucks for them either. (I'm talking about individual scenes here, sold as a download)

                              Eventually there will be some sort of clearinghouse solution where people can download porn movies for a couple bucks a pop and producers can make money, albeit at lower margins than they've enjoyed in the past.

                              The problem with that for me, the affiliate webmaster, is that there's nowhere in that model for me to make a profit. I'm still the guy who owns the record store in the mall, while people are downloading music online.
                              sig too big

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                              • Ozarkz
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 2377

                                #30
                                Someone is definitely making money.

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