Hypothetically speaking.......? - GoFuckYourself.com

AaronM · 01-25-2009, 01:21 PM

Lets pretend for a moment that you are a content producer who is shooting a video in a public park. Now lets assume that there is a guy in a wheelchair chillin in the area who decided to pull his dick out and smack it around a bit while watching you work.

Now lets say that you intentionally move from the girl, zoom in on the guy, then go back to the girl.

Here's my question:

After you get done jerking off to the cripple who is jerking off to the model, WTF do you do with that part of the content? Do you keep it in and publish it since it's shot in a public place or do you leave it on the cutting room floor?

Not that this sort of thing has EVER happened to me....Uh...I have this "friend" though.......

2012 · 01-25-2009, 01:24 PM

great new niche ... "Bum Jerk"

devine · 01-25-2009, 01:24 PM

I've no idea about the legal aspects, but I'd say it would be better to take that scene off... or maybe blurring his face, that would add a lot to the reality aspect IMHO

AnniKN · 01-25-2009, 01:28 PM

wouldn't your friend risk 2257 issues?

seeandsee · 01-25-2009, 01:34 PM

lulz at Q!

AaronM · 01-25-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AnniKN

wouldn't your friend risk 2257 issues?

No more than Girls Gone Wild filming girls flashing on the streets.

stickyfingerz · 01-25-2009, 01:56 PM

I've done this a few times when we shoot at the lake or something, and someone can kind of see us from the other shore, but not enough to really see. Had some Mexicans hooting and hollering and I zoomed across the lake, but it wasn't close enough to see their faces. Had another time on my first site where we were out on a pier on the lake, and the guy was back on the shore, that time you could see his face. lol I cut them out both times.

Juilan · 01-25-2009, 02:01 PM

Not legal advice but: That person has no reasonable expectation of privacy in public space/park, even if doing something "illegal."

mynameisjim · 01-25-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

No more than Girls Gone Wild filming girls flashing on the streets.

But isn't the guy jerking off considered hardcore and 2257 would be needed then? I honestly have no idea.

Deej · 01-25-2009, 02:25 PM

Depending on the site niche...

assuming your friend is filming this girl for a solo site... Id chop it... unless it was a brandi belle like site... if its purely pigtails n bubble gum id take it out...

If the girl has lots of public scenes, possibly... if its one time thing - ditch it...

AaronM · 01-25-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim

But isn't the guy jerking off considered hardcore and 2257 would be needed then? I honestly have no idea.

Who said he was jerking off?

I said "smacking his dick."

baddog · 01-25-2009, 02:39 PM

I think it would be a great addition to a "bloopers" area if this isn't a planned or regular occurrence.

After Shock Media · 01-25-2009, 02:53 PM

So that was you shooting?
Tell her she was hot, you on the other hand are a wee bit creepy but whatever floats your boat and as long as you keep your distance.

PersianKitty · 01-25-2009, 02:56 PM

what if you blurred the face? or is that too tacky?

AaronM · 01-25-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PersianKitty

what if you blurred the face? or is that too tacky?

I would think that either he would stay or go altogether.

Supz · 01-25-2009, 03:04 PM

Thats a keeper

pornlaw · 01-25-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

No more than Girls Gone Wild filming girls flashing on the streets.

Not true.... jerking off is a sexual act covered by 2257, flashing breasts are not. This is how the mainstream gets off from keeping records. Mere nudity usually doesnt trigger 2257. Read the Dost case as to what will trigger the record keeping requirements.

As for using his image, without a release I would not. He has no reason to think he will end up in a commercially released video. Even in public, if you use someone's likeness for commercial purposes you still need a signed release, unless you have posted signs everywhere letting people know that walking/rolling into a particular area means that they are consenting to use their likeness. As a general principle, blur out the faces of people you do not have releases on.

Deej · 01-25-2009, 03:12 PM

Aaron id advise your friend to consult a lawyer....ooooh waiit...

AaronM · 01-25-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Not true.... jerking off is a sexual act covered by 2257, flashing breasts are not. This is how the mainstream gets off from keeping records. Mere nudity usually doesnt trigger 2257. Read the Dost case as to what will trigger the record keeping requirements.

As for using his image, without a release I would not. He has no reason to think he will end up in a commercially released video. Even in public, if you use someone's likeness for commercial purposes you still need a signed release, unless you have posted signs everywhere letting people know that walking/rolling into a particular area means that they are consenting to use their likeness. As a general principle, blur out the faces of people you do not have releases on.

As somebody who is posting as if they are an attorney, one would think you might actually read what has been said instead of simply replying.

Deej · 01-25-2009, 03:41 PM

Can you ask your friend to elaborate on 'slapping his dick' ?

was his penis there visually? and was he touching it while looking at your friend's model?

Si · 01-25-2009, 03:56 PM

Who knows?

When that happens to me i'll let you know

sortie · 01-25-2009, 04:21 PM

Given the fact that many people object to porn and don't give a shit about
your legal rights I would avoid using anyone in anything without their permission.

No way will that clip make you rich, so it can only cause you trouble with nothing to gain.

john_63 · 01-25-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Uh...I have this "friend" though.......

you have friends? clients yes, but friends, nah i dont think so.

CaptainHowdy · 01-25-2009, 04:35 PM

I got lost...

justinsain · 01-25-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

After you get done jerking off to the cripple who is jerking off to the model, WTF do you do with that part of the content?
.......

You clearly say the " cripple " is jerking off to the model

The risk FAR out weighs the reward so why bother

john_63 · 01-25-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

After you get done jerking off to the cripple who is jerking off to the model

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Who said he was jerking off?

AaronM · 01-25-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

You clearly say the " cripple " is jerking off to the model

The risk FAR out weighs the reward so why bother

Valid point.

Hypothetically speaking...The cripple WAS jerking off to the model....However, it's my understanding that the hypothetical video doesn't show the jerking off.

I should have worded that better.

AaronM · 01-25-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by john_63

you have friends? clients yes, but friends, nah i dont think so.

This from a coward using a fake nic.

baddog · 01-25-2009, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john_63

you have friends? clients yes, but friends, nah i dont think so.

Could not be more wrong.

pornlaw · 01-25-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

As somebody who is posting as if they are an attorney, one would think you might actually read what has been said instead of simply replying.

And what did I miss ???

or did you clear it up in this post?

Quote:

Hypothetically speaking...The cripple WAS jerking off to the model....However, it's my understanding that the hypothetical video doesn't show the jerking off.

I should have worded that better.

Deej · 01-25-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Could not be more wrong.

Agreed

Spunky · 01-25-2009, 09:36 PM

Sounds like a good niche.I would capitalize on that idea and get more of that content

ExLust · 01-26-2009, 04:14 AM

Make niche in it.

BigRod · 01-26-2009, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by supzdotcom

Thats a keeper

Yup I agree!

Juilan · 01-28-2009, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornlaw

Not true.... jerking off is a sexual act covered by 2257, flashing breasts are not. This is how the mainstream gets off from keeping records. Mere nudity usually doesnt trigger 2257. Read the Dost case as to what will trigger the record keeping requirements.

As for using his image, without a release I would not. He has no reason to think he will end up in a commercially released video. Even in public, if you use someone's likeness for commercial purposes you still need a signed release, unless you have posted signs everywhere letting people know that walking/rolling into a particular area means that they are consenting to use their likeness. As a general principle, blur out the faces of people you do not have releases on.

I'd like to see some caselaw supporting the "need" for a signed release in a public place.

notime · 01-28-2009, 04:32 PM

2257 is for US law. Not in Europe.
Was it in a public place like on a street or park ?
Then it's considered "journalism" in Europe which enjoys the freedom of press.
But you have to decide wether you wanna damage the wheelchair guy in the process by publishing it. I know I wouldn't.

V_RocKs · 01-28-2009, 05:12 PM

Put it up! That would sell content like a MOFO!

Four panel MGP gallery with her clothed, naked, getting it on, and then him! Fucking type of shit that sells...

pornlaw · 01-28-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Juilan

I'd like to see some caselaw supporting the "need" for a signed release in a public place.

In California its called Misappropriation of Likeness and its embodied in Civil Code sec 3344.... there is case law but it would be rather complex to post all the cases....

But here are some cases that might make interesting reading...http://library.findlaw.com/1998/Feb/1/130405.html

3344 makes no exception for public places and actually discusses that if a person can be identified on any public street or building then they can bring a claim as an individual...

3344. (a) Any person who knowingly uses another's name, voice,
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merchandise, or goods, or for purposes of advertising or selling, or
soliciting purchases of, products, merchandise, goods or services,
without such person's prior consent, or, in the case of a minor, the
prior consent of his parent or legal guardian, shall be liable for
any damages sustained by the person or persons injured as a result
thereof. In addition, in any action brought under this section, the
person who violated the section shall be liable to the injured party
or parties in an amount equal to the greater of seven hundred fifty
dollars ($750) or the actual damages suffered by him or her as a
result of the unauthorized use, and any profits from the unauthorized
use that are attributable to the use and are not taken into account
in computing the actual damages. In establishing such profits, the
injured party or parties are required to present proof only of the
gross revenue attributable to such use, and the person who violated
this section is required to prove his or her deductible expenses.
Punitive damages may also be awarded to the injured party or parties.
The prevailing party in any action under this section shall also be
entitled to attorney's fees and costs.
(b) As used in this section, "photograph" means any photograph or
photographic reproduction, still or moving, or any videotape or live
television transmission, of any person, such that the person is
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the same person who is complaining of its unauthorized use.
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be represented as individuals rather than solely as members of a
definable group represented in the photograph. A definable group
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audience at any theatrical or stage production, a glee club, or a
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(c) Where a photograph or likeness of an employee of the person
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the use of the person's name, voice, signature, photograph, or
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01-25-2009, 01:21 PM	#1
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	Hypothetically speaking.......? Lets pretend for a moment that you are a content producer who is shooting a video in a public park. Now lets assume that there is a guy in a wheelchair chillin in the area who decided to pull his dick out and smack it around a bit while watching you work. Now lets say that you intentionally move from the girl, zoom in on the guy, then go back to the girl. Here's my question: After you get done jerking off to the cripple who is jerking off to the model, WTF do you do with that part of the content? Do you keep it in and publish it since it's shot in a public place or do you leave it on the cutting room floor? Not that this sort of thing has EVER happened to me....Uh...I have this "friend" though.......

01-25-2009, 01:28 PM	#4
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01-25-2009, 02:01 PM	#8
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01-25-2009, 02:25 PM	#10
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Depending on the site niche... assuming your friend is filming this girl for a solo site... Id chop it... unless it was a brandi belle like site... if its purely pigtails n bubble gum id take it out... If the girl has lots of public scenes, possibly... if its one time thing - ditch it... __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

01-25-2009, 01:24 PM	#2
2012 So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 17,189	great new niche ... "Bum Jerk"

01-25-2009, 01:24 PM	#3
devine Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 620	I've no idea about the legal aspects, but I'd say it would be better to take that scene off... or maybe blurring his face, that would add a lot to the reality aspect IMHO

01-25-2009, 01:56 PM	#7
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,984	I've done this a few times when we shoot at the lake or something, and someone can kind of see us from the other shore, but not enough to really see. Had some Mexicans hooting and hollering and I zoomed across the lake, but it wasn't close enough to see their faces. Had another time on my first site where we were out on a pier on the lake, and the guy was back on the shore, that time you could see his face. lol I cut them out both times.

01-25-2009, 02:39 PM	#12
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	I think it would be a great addition to a "bloopers" area if this isn't a planned or regular occurrence.

01-25-2009, 02:53 PM	#13
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01-25-2009, 03:41 PM	#20
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01-25-2009, 03:56 PM	#21
Si Such Fun! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13,900	Who knows? When that happens to me i'll let you know

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sortie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,771	Given the fact that many people object to porn and don't give a shit about your legal rights I would avoid using anyone in anything without their permission. No way will that clip make you rich, so it can only cause you trouble with nothing to gain. __________________

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01-28-2009, 04:32 PM	#36
notime Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: cyberspace Posts: 8,022	2257 is for US law. Not in Europe. Was it in a public place like on a street or park ? Then it's considered "journalism" in Europe which enjoys the freedom of press. But you have to decide wether you wanna damage the wheelchair guy in the process by publishing it. I know I wouldn't.

01-28-2009, 05:12 PM	#37
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,422	Put it up! That would sell content like a MOFO! Four panel MGP gallery with her clothed, naked, getting it on, and then him! Fucking type of shit that sells...