Of course I've heard of NetFlix - but I'm not talking about DVD rentals, I'm talking about watching streaming movies online - some still playing in theaters.

Here's my problem with trying to discuss an issue with you Darkland - you don't compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

I pull out an orange - you pull out a lemon. I offer up a big red delicious - you pull out a crab apple and try to make your point.

I didn't say I didn't want to pay - I said I DO pay - I'm just paying early. Here's a secret for you and shhh... Don't tell anyone 'cause we're not supposed to, but...

I had sex with my wife before she was my wife. I didn't want to wait for the wedding night and lord knows.. I've been paying ever since!:1orglaugh


Aren't behind this yet and losing money... Of course they are and of course they will. When you have a bad (or insufficient) business model you bleed dollars. It doesn't take a Harvard degree in business economics to figure that out. They adapt or go under. We've shown them how they're losing money and even offer the solution. It's up to them to get off their duff's and implement it.

Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler. They should be the top 3 paysites on the internet but none of them are and there is a reason for that. I'd also be willing to bet that neither of them ever will be. Playboy just announced that it's closing its' New York offices because of the economy.. Did people suddenly stop looking at porn? Of course they didn't. They've just yet to come up with the solution - they haven't adapted and thus.. haven't prospered.

Yes, yes, yes, yes it's different. I told you when we first started this debate that the only way you can compare what I do with the adult industry is if a paysite first offered up memberships to their premium content for those that wanted to buy a membership but later released their membership area to any/everyone who wanted it.

Studios do that with movies - paysites do not. Put your lemon back in your pocket. Just because it too is part of the citrus family doesn't make it an equal comparison... :upsidedow

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the reality is that the number is probably a lot lower
the 97 cents comes form the movie ET (adjusted for inflation)
out of 10 dollar ticket price, 1/2 goes to the theater chain (famous player), out of which they have to cover their location, an advertising cost for the entire run of the movie (newspaper ads run daily)
national distributor (atlantic) takes 1/2 of the remaining 5, and they run those national tv spots -5spending 50%-80% (depnding on if it is hit or a bomb) of their advertising in the first week of the movie airing.

international distributor (paramount) would licience the movie from the actual producer (speilberg company) for something like 50 cents/ticket with a backend payout based on it success (47 cents).

this number is higher then current movies because

1. ET was the biggest movie of all time, so it maxed out on the back end deal (starwars ep4 did take the crown with two airings but i could not get numbers for that)
2. ET was the first movie which switched from product placement being a cost, to being free. After this point it represents a source of income, so production companies need less money from the primary distributor, and there has been a downward pressure on liciencing fees

the numbers i am giving you are from the MPAA own study.
the two examples i gave you represent 6/10 already so your number is completely out of wack.
regional exclusion (my mom example) and handicap (my dad example) cover a majority of the non loss of sale in the circumstance we are talking about.

again this number is probably too big again, because that report was done before timeshifting using a swarm was legitimized by the appeal court, so people like me who downloaded the entire season of "my own worst enemy" after the show was off the air, would count as lost sales for the DVD set.

If 1/2 "lost sales" fall in the same catagory (since 1/2 of torrent traffic is tv shows) the number is actually 20 to 1.



When RIO won the format shifting case established the market for the mp3 audio format the mp3 recorded at 24 kb/s (slightly better than radio) which ment that cd players still had significant advantages to the mp3 player

we now run 192 kb/s (cd quality) so now mp3 are equivalent in quality to cd players
the competition between the two cause the underlying technology to significantly improve
At the start solid state hard drives cost 5/mb now we can get it at a cost of 2/ GB.
hard drive technology got smaller, they got more sturdy.

I now have cellphones that store as much as my desktop used to store. New revenue streams exist that would never exist (mobile porn) all because new competition spawned new innovation.

ipods
usb sticks
laptops
desktops
server technology
media centers
pvrs
cell phones
palm pilots
blackberries
basically every device that is built upon the solid state disk has inproved because of this new competition.


The control you want to give is hindering all that innovation.

right off the bat
dolby surround sound has been stuck at 5 channel when the human ear can distinguish 12 channel surround sound (and the spec supports it)


we are stuck with 24 bit color, when 30 bit color is available which if processed properly will allow shading variations that would fool the eye into single planar 3d without those stupid 3d glasses.

That just the technology that is being held back because of a lack of technology. If the theaters had to compete against downloadable streams, they definately would upgrade their technology to support these new formats, so people would tell their friends
"yes i know you can get it for free via the torrents, but you really have to check it out in the theater because the it in 3D and the you actually feel like your in the movie because the sound is comming at you from every angle"

Can you imaging a horror movie, where when the bats fly over head they come out of the screen and you hear the flapping over head. When rats scurry across the ground they seem to flow out of the screen and they sound like they are rushing by your feet.



You only see the benefit from the fair use after it is established (and in a very limited way) i see the benefit of fair use before it is established.

Why is this a 6 page topic?! :1orglaugh The answer is in the title...

because what he is claiming is illegal is infact legal (based on the current court ruling)