From the Desk of Alienq: I am officially jumping on the CSS Bandwagon.

**StuartD** · 01-20-2009, 11:10 AM

I hope you're telling the truth.
There's never anything wrong with learning more, offering more and most of all.. keeping an open mind.

**polish_aristocrat** · 01-20-2009, 11:13 AM

you're still doing banners for $1 dollar?

**Exotic Gold** · 01-20-2009, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by AlienQ

My mind is changing about the whole matter as I am taking up studying what can be done with it. There are alot of upsides I didnt know about and I will be glad to announce soon when I will be able to provide CSS layouts in my services.

Might take a little longer than I thought it's crazy shit but I am getting it.

Thank you.

Welcome to 2005, put your feet up and stay a while.

**MetaMan** · 01-20-2009, 11:22 AM

why the fuck are you people even arguing about this? this was done years ago.

it doesnt matter only a few designers truly can design properly with style sheets, and imo there is no point in using CSS unless you use it properly.

half you people arguing about it cant even do it properly it is hilarious.

one word of advice alien stick with it, it was HELL at first for me but i stuck with it and slowly learned all the tips and tricks around problems, now it feels for me like html was stoneage. everything is just so much more streamlined you will find.

**leek** · 01-20-2009, 11:27 AM

My advice to you:

Constantly read design blogs. You're getting into CSS a little late in the game so there are thousands of helpful tips and tricks out there.

Stay away from hacks, browser workarounds, etc.

Keep a copy of IE6 lying around and prepare to hate it with all of your life.

Utilize CSS frameworks for laying out your design, then switch the classes over to a more semantic meaning when going live.

USE A RESET.CSS FILE. I recommend YUI reset.

Welcome to the dark side.

**RevTKS69** · 01-20-2009, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

you're still doing banners for $1 dollar?

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=882391

That's the thread where he made the offer. Didn't deliver for me.

**brand0n** · 01-20-2009, 11:28 AM

good luck to you, always a + learning more.

**AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE** · 01-20-2009, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by RevTKS69

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=882391

That's the thread where he made the offer. Didn't deliver for me.

I got loaded up with a few people and I am not going to be able to keep moving with that offer for a while.

Sorry bud.

**Fat Panda** · 01-20-2009, 11:31 AM

css rocks

**PlMP** · 01-20-2009, 11:31 AM

you are a little late dont you think?

**fris** · 01-20-2009, 11:34 AM

blueprint 4 lyfe

**TheDoc** · 01-20-2009, 11:36 AM

To learn CSS, you simply start doing it. Stop reading, and start playing.

The cross browser stuff, is all bullshit. Proper CSS, works in all browsers. It comes down to not listening to others and finding out for yourself.

All frameworks are piles of trash CSS that will teach you nothing and start you backwards. Stay away from short hand, lots of little tricks don't work in short hand CSS so if you learn it first you are missing out.

And finally.. Create CSS in sections, and save them. Like a html frame and basic css layout can be reused over and over. If you make special list menus, save them and the css. At least 80% of your designs can be reused, the 20% is what you change out to make it look different, so your work load is seriously reduced.

**gimme-website** · 01-20-2009, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by PlMP

you are a little late dont you think?

It's never too late

Hope you have fun learning. I did and still do, that's the beauty of it

**JamesK** · 01-20-2009, 12:56 PM

Good stuff.

Btw hit me up if you're still doing banners, I need a few. I will pay more than $1 a pop ofcourse

**Sid70** · 01-20-2009, 12:57 PM

**AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE** · 01-20-2009, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by TheDoc

At least 80% of your designs can be reused, the 20% is what you change out to make it look different, so your work load is seriously reduced.

This is exactly what I am anticipating. I kinda feared having a library of nuts and bolt collections but appearently its the only way.

**pornguy** · 01-20-2009, 01:03 PM

Good for you.

**Machete_** · 01-20-2009, 01:06 PM

Whats your plan for 2010 then? jump from MSPaint to Photoshop?

**AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE** · 01-20-2009, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by ebus_dk

Whats your plan for 2010 then? jump from MSPaint to Photoshop?

http://www.ebusdk.com/

Uses tables. When you gonna step up?

From what I already learned within a few days I can improve your site 10 fold with CSS.
And I wont need a graphics program to do it!

**Sid70** · 01-20-2009, 01:13 PM

**Machete_** · 01-20-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by AlienQ

http://www.ebusdk.com/

Uses tables. When you gonna step up?

From what I already learned within a few days I can improve your site 10 fold with CSS.
And I wont need a graphics program to do it!

I'm not a designer.... bite me

**Doctor Dre** · 01-20-2009, 01:14 PM

Someone insert the timeline picture plz... Seriously Alien, if I was a pro designer that didn't know CSS, I wouldn't b rag about it.

**Darkhorse** · 01-20-2009, 01:15 PM

Started learning it along with ajax a few weeks ago myself so ya stick with it.

**bns666** · 01-20-2009, 02:08 PM

Welcome to 2002

**munki** · 01-20-2009, 02:13 PM

Always good to add more tools to the belt...

**Barefootsies** · 01-20-2009, 02:15 PM

I do not think anyone gives a fuck you finally caught the clue train.

Thanks for sharing ace.

**Ninja_Pete** · 01-20-2009, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Exotic Gold

Welcome to 2005, put your feet up and stay a while.

LOL! I was thinking the same thing. I was learning and using CSS in 2002.

**AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE** · 01-20-2009, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by bns666

Welcome to 2002

In 2002 CSS was shit and unworkable voodoo.
Style Sheets is one thing, working layouts is kinda different and evolving and still evolving and still some what unreliable to a degree. I been using CSS for a long time now while using tabled based layouts so it is not all brand new to me, the twist now is to go full 100% CSS layouts which I think is the hardest part of it all.
Seems the major browsers are expanding on it and at the same time alot of CSS I been looking at is workable and stable enough as of late. It's time to get into it.

Personally I think only a small handful of guys on this board really know what they are doing when it comes to CSS. I'll say it right now, I am gonna be a novice at it for a while.

So laugh yer asses off in the meanwhile I will be brewing up some pretty neat stuff.

**fris** · 01-20-2009, 07:53 PM

one of my favs

Code:

a[href^="mailto:"] {
padding-right: 15px;
background: url(email.png) no-repeat center right;
}

**dial** · 01-20-2009, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by leek

Keep a copy of IE6 lying around and prepare to hate it with all of your life.

fuck that, microsoft doesn't even support IE6 anymore, why should designers?

IE8 is fucking out already, get over IE6

JD · 01-20-2009, 07:59 PM

even though I think you're an ass... if you need any help with css bugs lmk

JD · 01-20-2009, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by dial

fuck that, microsoft doesn't even support IE6 anymore, why should designers?

IE8 is fucking out already, get over IE6

because ie6 is used by around 15-20% of users. If you're ok with designs that are fucked for 20% of your traffic... something's wrong with you.

**collegeboobies** · 01-20-2009, 08:02 PM

Welcome to 2005

**dial** · 01-20-2009, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by JD

because ie6 is used by around 15-20% of users. If you're ok with designs that are fucked for 20% of your traffic... something's wrong with you.

says the guy that is designing for IE3 in 1995

step up that design game bud, your shit is lame with extremely old techniques....use another drop shadown, 2000 is calling for ya!

JD · 01-20-2009, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by dial

says the guy that is designing for IE3 in 1995

step up that design game bud, your shit is lame with extremely old techniques....use another drop shadown, 2000 is calling for ya!

haha whatever man. enjoy your life as a troll

**fris** · 01-20-2009, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by dial

says the guy that is designing for IE3 in 1995

step up that design game bud, your shit is lame with extremely old techniques....use another drop shadown, 2000 is calling for ya!

are you saying you shouldnt make your designs ie6 compatible?

Thats kinda silly.

JD · 01-20-2009, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by fris

are you saying you shouldnt make your designs ie6 compatible?

Thats kinda silly.

ignore him man dude's a troll... nothing more...

**dial** · 01-20-2009, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by fris

are you saying you shouldnt make your designs ie6 compatible?

Thats kinda silly.

I don't design for outdated browsers, same as programmers don't code for windows 98 anymore

**Young** · 01-20-2009, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by leek

My advice to you:

Constantly read design blogs. You're getting into CSS a little late in the game so there are thousands of helpful tips and tricks out there.

Stay away from hacks, browser workarounds, etc.

Keep a copy of IE6 lying around and prepare to hate it with all of your life.

Utilize CSS frameworks for laying out your design, then switch the classes over to a more semantic meaning when going live.

USE A RESET.CSS FILE. I recommend YUI reset.

Welcome to the dark side.

CSS frameworks are fucking useless in my opinion. It's like using a Nuke to take out a ant hill.

The only assistance I use is a hybrid between Eric Meyer's and Yahoo's CSS reset.

If you're having a hard time staying organized and naming shit in CSS you have a severe case of ADD.

**JamesK** · 01-20-2009, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by dial

I don't design for outdated browsers, same as programmers don't code for windows 98 anymore

**Young** · 01-20-2009, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by dial

I don't design for outdated browsers, same as programmers don't code for windows 98 anymore

Nor do I.

But I do check the design in Internet Explorer 6 and 7 via Parallels (I have a Mac) at the end of each session...and usually no matter how clean my code/styling is I always have to include a separate style sheet strictly for IE6.

**ExLust** · 01-20-2009, 08:59 PM

Go for it. Its better late than never.

**AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE** · 01-20-2009, 09:50 PM

I'll have something pretty neat all done in CSS to present this week

This shit is fun

From the Desk of Alienq: I am officially jumping on the CSS Bandwagon.

From the Desk of Alienq: I am officially jumping on the CSS Bandwagon.

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