Question Regarding Ratios for WM's Promoting High PPS Sponsors - GoFuckYourself.com

SteveHardeman · 01-13-2009, 08:20 AM

I'm not asking anyone to state stats for a specific program. I don't want people to lie about how this or that program is so awesome and I'm not looking to start a thread for people to flame a program. I'm simply working on some analysis and I need some info from the guys who promote at least a few of the big PPS programs.

I'm just wondering if some people would be willing to share their overall stats with the big multi-site affiliate programs in general.

Specifically "Full Bill Conversions/Uniques".

If I could be so bold, I'd ask that you give me the ratio as it is for the last 3 months or so and then a separate ratio of what you find acceptable in promoting these types of programs. They may be one in the same. Guesstimates will be fine. No need to go run your numbers.

Thanks for your help.

Steve

Oh, and also, "I Like Poo." Actually, I don't, but I thought I'd spare that poo guy from posting in here. :-)

SteveHardeman · 01-15-2009, 09:50 AM

one more time around

V_RocKs · 01-15-2009, 10:09 AM

Do you mean something like Nasty Dollars $35?

SteveHardeman · 01-15-2009, 10:25 AM

Again, I'd prefer no one disclose the specific program.

Basically I'm asking people who are successful promoting some of the big programs that offer the high dollor PPS payouts to share their ratios without naming a specific program.

So, an answer I'd like to see would be "I promote some of those programs. Some suck, some do better than others but overall I'm satisfied if I make a sale at a 1:xxx(x) ratio."

tranza · 01-15-2009, 01:04 PM

But what do you consider high PPS? I guess that's what V_Rocks was asking.

SteveHardeman · 01-15-2009, 01:24 PM

Oooohhhhhh, sorry.

$50 on a sign up. Anything over $20 on a free or $1 trial.

V_RocKs · 01-15-2009, 02:32 PM

OK...

$35($4.95) -> 1:481
$40($1) -> 1:332
$30 ($1) -> 1:1,131
$30 ($1) -> 1:287
$35 ($4.95) -> 1:1000

Revshare:
1:570
1:600
1:732
1:2855
1:163
1:158

Under performers PPS
0:4532
0:2608
0:1479
0:1890

Under performing Rev:
0:1278
0:883
0:949
0:661
0:611

What I learned a long time ago is that some PPS programs will burn you. And others like the one I mentioned earlier will not. But even some Revshare sponsors will burn you too.

SteveHardeman · 01-15-2009, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

OK...

$35($4.95) -> 1:481
$40($1) -> 1:332
$30 ($1) -> 1:1,131
$30 ($1) -> 1:287
$35 ($4.95) -> 1:1000

Revshare:
1:570
1:600
1:732
1:2855
1:163
1:158

Under performers PPS
0:4532
0:2608
0:1479
0:1890

Under performing Rev:
0:1278
0:883
0:949
0:661
0:611

What I learned a long time ago is that some PPS programs will burn you. And others like the one I mentioned earlier will not. But even some Revshare sponsors will burn you too.

Dude, that may be the most helpful, informative post I've ever gotten in a question thread.

Thanks.

I'm going to pop my collar in your honor for the rest of the day. :-)

V_RocKs · 01-15-2009, 02:51 PM

One caveat is that the more traffic you send a program the better it will convert not because of the sponsors rewarding you for sending more traffic and lowering the shave, but because you are obviously targeting your traffic more and more if you are able to get more of it to the sponsor.

When you are sending sponsor X 40 hits a day those hits are full of oops...

When you begin doing things right and then send the sponsor 400 hits a day you notice you convert better. Most likely because you starting doing something right on your end. Explaining to the customer why they should buy from that particular sponsor...

Then you start sending the same sponsor 1000 hits a day and notice things get even better. Did they lower their shave you ask yourself? Or did you just get better at not only obtaining traffic but targeting it too?

Sooner or later it goes to 4000 and there doesn't seem to be a day of fluctuation. You always get your 9 to 13 signups. Never a day of 0 or even 4 or 5... But then you never have a day of 17 to 20 either...

Did the sponsor completely release shave or did you just get more consistent at finding the sponsor highly targeted traffic?

V_RocKs · 01-15-2009, 02:57 PM

Looking at actual stats I think I played down the fluctuations some what...

at 40 hits you will get a sale when you are lucky...
at 400 hits you will get one every other day with extra on a day and nothing for two more.
at 1000 hits you will get some days with 7 and some with 0.
at 4000 hits you will get some days with 5 and some with 13.

The thing that will get tighter is the time it takes to see a normal rate of conversion.

at 40 it will take 2 months to see the same things happen as two months prior...
at 400 it will take 2 weeks...
at 1000 it will take a week...
at 4000 it will take 2 to 3 days...
... to see the balance.

This is why whales don't bitch much... That and prepaid joins... But if you are sending 16,000 hits a day to a sponsor you will see the fluctuations shrink down to hours and going higher you will see it follow the rate of traffic for a given hour.

qxm · 01-15-2009, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Looking at actual stats I think I played down the fluctuations some what...

at 40 hits you will get a sale when you are lucky...
at 400 hits you will get one every other day with extra on a day and nothing for two more.
at 1000 hits you will get some days with 7 and some with 0.
at 4000 hits you will get some days with 5 and some with 13.

The thing that will get tighter is the time it takes to see a normal rate of conversion.

at 40 it will take 2 months to see the same things happen as two months prior...
at 400 it will take 2 weeks...
at 1000 it will take a week...
at 4000 it will take 2 to 3 days...
... to see the balance.

This is why whales don't bitch much... That and prepaid joins... But if you are sending 16,000 hits a day to a sponsor you will see the fluctuations shrink down to hours and going higher you will see it follow the rate of traffic for a given hour.

K.. this post proves without shadow of a doubt you know what you are doing....I am actually surprised to see such informative post here in GFY and wish you had posted this stuff 4 years ago when I was lurking in the shadows ..lol ... good stuff nonetheless...

Matyko · 01-16-2009, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Looking at actual stats I think I played down the fluctuations some what...

at 40 hits you will get a sale when you are lucky...
at 400 hits you will get one every other day with extra on a day and nothing for two more.
at 1000 hits you will get some days with 7 and some with 0.
at 4000 hits you will get some days with 5 and some with 13.

The thing that will get tighter is the time it takes to see a normal rate of conversion.

at 40 it will take 2 months to see the same things happen as two months prior...
at 400 it will take 2 weeks...
at 1000 it will take a week...
at 4000 it will take 2 to 3 days...
... to see the balance.

This is why whales don't bitch much... That and prepaid joins... But if you are sending 16,000 hits a day to a sponsor you will see the fluctuations shrink down to hours and going higher you will see it follow the rate of traffic for a given hour.

Kudos for you, Great post!!!

For a second I thought I am @ ADX

fuzebox · 01-16-2009, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Looking at actual stats I think I played down the fluctuations some what...

at 40 hits you will get a sale when you are lucky...
at 400 hits you will get one every other day with extra on a day and nothing for two more.
at 1000 hits you will get some days with 7 and some with 0.
at 4000 hits you will get some days with 5 and some with 13.

The thing that will get tighter is the time it takes to see a normal rate of conversion.

at 40 it will take 2 months to see the same things happen as two months prior...
at 400 it will take 2 weeks...
at 1000 it will take a week...
at 4000 it will take 2 to 3 days...
... to see the balance.

This is why whales don't bitch much... That and prepaid joins... But if you are sending 16,000 hits a day to a sponsor you will see the fluctuations shrink down to hours and going higher you will see it follow the rate of traffic for a given hour.

Very nicely put

Comparing conversion ratios between sites depends a whole lot on the volume you send... Especially if you're only sending a handful of hits a day, people don't realize how many of those are search engine spiders and stuff.

fuzebox · 01-16-2009, 12:50 AM

Steve I've busted your balls in the past for conversion ratio threads

I still stand by it, a conversion ratio is a totally unique number that means absolutely nothing to anyone else. There is so much more to it like your CTR and preselling and stuff. If you told me that one site at 1:100 was great, and another site at 1:2000 was bad, all that tells me is that you don't know my traffic.

SteveHardeman · 01-16-2009, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Steve I've busted your balls in the past for conversion ratio threads

I still stand by it, a conversion ratio is a totally unique number that means absolutely nothing to anyone else. There is so much more to it like your CTR and preselling and stuff. If you told me that one site at 1:100 was great, and another site at 1:2000 was bad, all that tells me is that you don't know my traffic.

Fuzee, I'm well aware that ratios of different sites and sources of traffic vary widely. That doesn't mean I can't ask for general information that I personally use for my own analysis. I hear what you're saying loud and clear my friend and I agree with you. But some info is better than zero info.

And I would never be bold enough to tell someone their ratio was good or bad. That's their business.

01-13-2009, 08:20 AM	#1
SteveHardeman Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,728	Question Regarding Ratios for WM's Promoting High PPS Sponsors I'm not asking anyone to state stats for a specific program. I don't want people to lie about how this or that program is so awesome and I'm not looking to start a thread for people to flame a program. I'm simply working on some analysis and I need some info from the guys who promote at least a few of the big PPS programs. I'm just wondering if some people would be willing to share their overall stats with the big multi-site affiliate programs in general. Specifically "Full Bill Conversions/Uniques". If I could be so bold, I'd ask that you give me the ratio as it is for the last 3 months or so and then a separate ratio of what you find acceptable in promoting these types of programs. They may be one in the same. Guesstimates will be fine. No need to go run your numbers. Thanks for your help. Steve Oh, and also, "I Like Poo." Actually, I don't, but I thought I'd spare that poo guy from posting in here. :-) __________________ BrokeAmateurs And ErosPOV And GirlsGoingSolo And PureAshley Sign Up At AmateursConvert.com Questions? I-C-Q: 3Five1FiveFive3476

01-15-2009, 09:50 AM	#2
SteveHardeman Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,728	one more time around __________________ BrokeAmateurs And ErosPOV And GirlsGoingSolo And PureAshley Sign Up At AmateursConvert.com Questions? I-C-Q: 3Five1FiveFive3476

01-15-2009, 10:25 AM	#4
SteveHardeman Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,728	Again, I'd prefer no one disclose the specific program. Basically I'm asking people who are successful promoting some of the big programs that offer the high dollor PPS payouts to share their ratios without naming a specific program. So, an answer I'd like to see would be "I promote some of those programs. Some suck, some do better than others but overall I'm satisfied if I make a sale at a 1:xxx(x) ratio." __________________ BrokeAmateurs And ErosPOV And GirlsGoingSolo And PureAshley Sign Up At AmateursConvert.com Questions? I-C-Q: 3Five1FiveFive3476

01-15-2009, 01:04 PM	#5
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	But what do you consider high PPS? I guess that's what V_Rocks was asking. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

01-15-2009, 01:24 PM	#6
SteveHardeman Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,728	Oooohhhhhh, sorry. $50 on a sign up. Anything over $20 on a free or $1 trial. __________________ BrokeAmateurs And ErosPOV And GirlsGoingSolo And PureAshley Sign Up At AmateursConvert.com Questions? I-C-Q: 3Five1FiveFive3476

01-15-2009, 10:09 AM	#3
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Do you mean something like Nasty Dollars $35?

01-15-2009, 02:32 PM	#7
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	OK... $35($4.95) -> 1:481 $40($1) -> 1:332 $30 ($1) -> 1:1,131 $30 ($1) -> 1:287 $35 ($4.95) -> 1:1000 Revshare: 1:570 1:600 1:732 1:2855 1:163 1:158 Under performers PPS 0:4532 0:2608 0:1479 0:1890 Under performing Rev: 0:1278 0:883 0:949 0:661 0:611 What I learned a long time ago is that some PPS programs will burn you. And others like the one I mentioned earlier will not. But even some Revshare sponsors will burn you too.

01-15-2009, 02:51 PM	#9
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	One caveat is that the more traffic you send a program the better it will convert not because of the sponsors rewarding you for sending more traffic and lowering the shave, but because you are obviously targeting your traffic more and more if you are able to get more of it to the sponsor. When you are sending sponsor X 40 hits a day those hits are full of oops... When you begin doing things right and then send the sponsor 400 hits a day you notice you convert better. Most likely because you starting doing something right on your end. Explaining to the customer why they should buy from that particular sponsor... Then you start sending the same sponsor 1000 hits a day and notice things get even better. Did they lower their shave you ask yourself? Or did you just get better at not only obtaining traffic but targeting it too? Sooner or later it goes to 4000 and there doesn't seem to be a day of fluctuation. You always get your 9 to 13 signups. Never a day of 0 or even 4 or 5... But then you never have a day of 17 to 20 either... Did the sponsor completely release shave or did you just get more consistent at finding the sponsor highly targeted traffic?

01-15-2009, 02:57 PM	#10
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Looking at actual stats I think I played down the fluctuations some what... at 40 hits you will get a sale when you are lucky... at 400 hits you will get one every other day with extra on a day and nothing for two more. at 1000 hits you will get some days with 7 and some with 0. at 4000 hits you will get some days with 5 and some with 13. The thing that will get tighter is the time it takes to see a normal rate of conversion. at 40 it will take 2 months to see the same things happen as two months prior... at 400 it will take 2 weeks... at 1000 it will take a week... at 4000 it will take 2 to 3 days... ... to see the balance. This is why whales don't bitch much... That and prepaid joins... But if you are sending 16,000 hits a day to a sponsor you will see the fluctuations shrink down to hours and going higher you will see it follow the rate of traffic for a given hour. Last edited by V_RocKs; 01-15-2009 at 02:59 PM..

01-16-2009, 12:50 AM	#14
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,078	Steve I've busted your balls in the past for conversion ratio threads I still stand by it, a conversion ratio is a totally unique number that means absolutely nothing to anyone else. There is so much more to it like your CTR and preselling and stuff. If you told me that one site at 1:100 was great, and another site at 1:2000 was bad, all that tells me is that you don't know my traffic.