Riots starting in Oakland

[collegeboobies]

The riots in Oakland have begun....


is that going to set the stage for the massive change coming to this country?

[d-null]

nah, it will stay local

[hypedough]

Please don't let this air in LA, we don't need another riot.

[collegeboobies]

Originally Posted by hypedough

Please don't let this air in LA, we don't need another riot.

Haha better park your car in underground parking or else it will get torched

[d-null]

"The core group of protesters was about 40 people, several of whom were with Revolution Books, a Berkeley bookstore. A man distributing "The Revolution" newspaper shouted "This whole damn system is guilty!""

[NaughtyRob]

Fucking stupid idiots.

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by hypedough

Please don't let this air in LA, we don't need another riot.

i dont think it will get that big

[Pics Traffic]

Let me guess, black guy got shot by police?

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by MOCKBA

Let me guess, black guy got shot by police?

I would call it more of an execution.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I would call it more of an execution.

seemed more like an accidental discharge caused by carelessness perhaps?

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

It's a terrible situation, since it appears on the surface that the BART cop over-reacted.

That still is no excuse, or a license, for idiots to start smashing in windows of stores and cars of people in their own neighborhood whom had nothing to do with the situation.

News is coming out that Oscar Grant (the 22 year old guy killed) was no angel either, even though some people are already trying to paint him as some kind of martyr:

Grant, who had a 4-year-old daughter, lived in Hayward. He was remembered by family members at a news conference on Sunday as a loving father, a hard worker and a sports enthusiast.

Grant also had a criminal record; according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, Grant served several months in state prison in 2007 and 2008. The Department of Corrections didn't disclose the offenses for which Grant was sentenced.

Records at the main Alameda County Courthouse in Oakland indicate that Grant had 12 separate cases between April 12, 2004, and May 8, 2008. But the records for all of those cases are at the Hayward Hall of Justice and weren't immediately available.

It's terrible for anyone to be killed wrongfully, or by accident, but something tells me that if it wasn't the BART cop that OG would have possibly come to a similar fate based upon his past...

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[TheSenator]

Mandingo Hayes....sounds like a porn star.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

It's a terrible situation, since it appears on the surface that the BART cop over-reacted.

That still is no excuse, or a license, for idiots to start smashing in windows of stores and cars of people in their own neighborhood whom had nothing to do with the situation.

News is coming out that Oscar Grant (the 22 year old guy killed) was no angel either, even though some people are already trying to paint him as some kind of martyr:



It's terrible for anyone to be killed wrongfully, or by accident, but something tells me that if it wasn't the BART cop that OG would have possibly come to a similar fate based upon his past...

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I agree with you 110%.

It's horrible that anyone got shot by the police, accidental or motivated by hatred of race or what not. But that does not give groups of people the right to smash windows of local business that had nothing to do with any of this.

I'm still pretty pissed about Prop 8, but you don't see me trying to set cars on fire.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by d-null

seemed more like an accidental discharge caused by carelessness perhaps?

I thought I read he said he thought it was his stun gun. Not sure how similar the two guns are to one another as I've never held a stun gun. The video is real bad though. The guy is cuffed and basically on his stomach I believe with a cop on his shoulders. The shooter stands up, pulls out his gun and fires.

I hope it was an accident. Not only for the reputation of police officers but for the sake of the good cops who are out there. Unfortunately, the situation was handled poorly. The cops proceeded to go around and illegally confiscate cell phones from bystanders to try and destroy evidence.

No excuse for violent protests though. However, I understand their frustration. These cops should all have been terminated. Cops routinely get off with slaps on the wrists for their deadly actions.

[spunky99]

their "protest" really made them look worse then the actual incident itself

[spacedog]

bunch of morons

[baddog]

Originally Posted by spunky99

their "protest" really made them look worse then the actual incident itself

Absolutely. I would not hesitate to pop a cap in any of those punks.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

The cops proceeded to go around and illegally confiscate cell phones from bystanders to try and destroy evidence..

the whole thing is tragic, but this part of the situation should have everyone in the country up in arms...... are we that close to living in a totalitarian state??

all of those cops that confiscated cell phones should be brought to task for it, including the department itself

[baddog]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

The cops proceeded to go around and illegally confiscate cell phones from bystanders to try and destroy evidence.

Any proof?

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by baddog

Any proof?

Just from the news reports. They had some witnesses on TV too.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...-Shooting.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28521292/

Most of the news reports mention it.

[onwebcam]

[baddog]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Just from the news reports. They had some witnesses on TV too.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...-Shooting.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28521292/

Most of the news reports mention it.

Haven't even seen it on the local news, but I missed the beginning. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BA2N155CN1.DTL read just about every related article, must have missed it.

[BusterBunny]

Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo
Just from the news reports. They had some witnesses on TV too.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...-Shooting.html


.the vid from 5 hours ago is labeled "protest turns violent..." the then one 4 hours ago is labeled "protest turns into riot" then the one from 4 minutes ago is labeled "near riot breaks out at protest"

[kmanrox]

what? black ppl rioting??? this can't be true!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo
Just from the news reports. They had some witnesses on TV too.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...-Shooting.html


.the vid from 5 hours ago is labeled "protest turns violent..." the then one 4 hours ago is labeled "protest turns into riot" then the one from 4 minutes ago is labeled "near riot breaks out at protest"

I know, I know. That's why "reportedly" means dick.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I thought I read he said he thought it was his stun gun. Not sure how similar the two guns are to one another as I've never held a stun gun. The video is real bad though. The guy is cuffed and basically on his stomach I believe with a cop on his shoulders. The shooter stands up, pulls out his gun and fires.

I hope it was an accident. Not only for the reputation of police officers but for the sake of the good cops who are out there. Unfortunately, the situation was handled poorly. The cops proceeded to go around and illegally confiscate cell phones from bystanders to try and destroy evidence.

No excuse for violent protests though. However, I understand their frustration. These cops should all have been terminated. Cops routinely get off with slaps on the wrists for their deadly actions.

There are lots of rumors circling, many of which will ultimately be proven to be false.

That is exactly why calmer heads should prevail.

The TV station that first claimed to show proof on video that Grant's hands were cuffed, has since retracted that claim.

As for the cops "illegally" confiscating cameras, they are simply collecting evidence. Now if they actually do destroy what is captured on the cameras, that would be illegal.

I am not naive, since I recognize that there are some bad cops out there, however, I also feel that the system has to be allowed to run it's course.

The community has every right to mourn and protest, however they do not have the right to become a lawless mob, and do property damage to people totally unassociated with the situation.

I should also note, that the individuals whom seemed to be doing the most vandalism appeared to be hoodlums without a cause, or the wannabe revolutionaries from the same outside agitator groups that regularly sprout up to exploit any protest situation in the Bay Area, in order to recruit and further agitate the crowd into more violent action.

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[Slick]

People that riot are fucking idiots just looking for any excuse to be a fucking prick. I'm sure most of those people have no fucking idea who the person even is. Oh look, it's whitey out to get the black people, grow the fuck up already !! The thing is, apparently the guy did something wrong and wasn't co-operating in order to get detained like that in the first place.

Sure, in this case, looking at the tape, it was a senseless death, but let the court system deal with it. If someone down the street from me got killed by a black police officer, what business is it of mine to go out and hurt others and destroy things ???? It's none of my fucking business, leave that up to the family of the deceased to take care of.

[kmanrox]

Originally Posted by Slick

People that riot are fucking idiots just looking for any excuse to be a fucking prick. I'm sure most of those people have no fucking idea who the person even is. Oh look, it's whitey out to get the black people, grow the fuck up already !! The thing is, apparently the guy did something wrong and wasn't co-operating in order to get detained like that in the first place.

Sure, in this case, looking at the tape, it was a senseless death, but let the court system deal with it. If someone down the street from me got killed by a black police officer, what business is it of mine to go out and hurt others and destroy things ???? It's none of my fucking business, leave that up to the family of the deceased to take care of.

it's how ppl of inferior intelligence deal with things...

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Slick

Oh look, it's whitey out to get the black people, grow the fuck up already !!

What nationality is Johannes Mehserle? Doesn't sound especially white.

[nico-t]

are they lucky the victim who got shot was black, if he was white they wouldnt have an argument to smash stuff

what a bunch of fucking retards

[d-null]

are police really allowed to seize people's cell phones as "evidence" without a warrant?

[mmcfadden]

Ahhh... quick riot. I'm sure it will do alot of good.

Pissed at the man... so shit on your friends

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Q1:

Originally Posted by baddog

What nationality is Johannes Mehserle? Doesn't sound especially white.

I did a quick search on some genealogy sites, and and the name appears to be of German or Swiss origin:

Swiss German: from a diminutive of Messer ?knife (maker)?.

Q2:

Originally Posted by d-null

are police really allowed to seize people's cell phones as "evidence" without a warrant?

Apparently there is a big loophole that falls under "exigent circumstances" which permits police to round up potential evidence at a crime scene.

The DOJ and courts apparently provide a good deal of latitude to law enforcement when it comes to search and seizure of electronic data (cell phones, computers, e-mail, etc).

Check out this eye-opening DOJ document:

Searching and Seizing Computers and Obtaining Electronic Evidence in Criminal Investigations

D-a-y-u-m!!!

On top of this, cameras on many street corners...say cheese, Big Brother is watching you...



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[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by d-null

seemed more like an accidental discharge caused by carelessness perhaps?

[Martin]

The calm before the storm. Wait till the pigs are found not guilty.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Martin

The calm before the storm. Wait till the pigs are found not guilty.

Pretty sure that this case will result in a conviction/plea of at least reckless conduct or gross negligence, if not involuntary manslaughter.

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[Tom_PM]

Gross negligence and involuntary manslaughter sounds right to me. Very sad

"I thought it was my taser", pretty much covers it. And if someone thinks it's just a lie, then it's a stupid ass lie since it's admitting gross negligence. That officer surely knows it's all over for them one way or the other.

[Herandrea]

This isn`t riot, this is some vannila bullshit.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I thought I read he said he thought it was his stun gun. Not sure how similar the two guns are to one another as I've never held a stun gun. The video is real bad though. The guy is cuffed and basically on his stomach I believe with a cop on his shoulders. The shooter stands up, pulls out his gun and fires.

I hope it was an accident. Not only for the reputation of police officers but for the sake of the good cops who are out there. Unfortunately, the situation was handled poorly. The cops proceeded to go around and illegally confiscate cell phones from bystanders to try and destroy evidence.

I believe that the stun guns that most police agencies are using have a grip almost exactly like the ones on the fire arms. So you can bet that it could have been a mistake. BUT

You have to ask yourself what police agency would allow an officer to have on his belt from front to back a Fire arm, and then a stun gun. The stun gun gets in the way of drawing the fire arm, and in the event of extreme pressure, the officer could easily draw the stun gun instead..

I know that the Holster that most police agencies use is a Safari3 or model 3 or something like that. It has three safeties that have to be defeated to get the gun out. 1. Top snap. 2 thumb snap, and 3, the rear strap. So unless the Stun gun is carried the same way, the guy is a total idiot.

[Martin]

"I thought it was my taser"

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Gross negligence and involuntary manslaughter sounds right to me. Very sad

"I thought it was my taser", pretty much covers it. And if someone thinks it's just a lie, then it's a stupid ass lie since it's admitting gross negligence. That officer surely knows it's all over for them one way or the other.

is that really what he said? he thought it was his taser?

[TyroneGoldberg]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/...u_greece_riots

what's the difference?

[C-Bass]

Originally Posted by MOCKBA

Let me guess, black guy got shot by police?

When was the last time you heard of a black cop shooting a white dude under those conditions?

That's because they are not stupid and ignorant.

[asianseekerz]

they are getting angry!!!!!!!!!!!

[tranza]

Fucking faggots!

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by C-Bass

When was the last time you heard of a black cop shooting a white dude under those conditions?

That's because they are not stupid and ignorant.

Yeah, black people are never stupid or ignorant. What was that guy thinking?!?

[2012]

http://www.lez.hu/hentaitsop2.swf

[lesbodojo]

ah, oakland.

[stev0]

"Wednesday night's vandalism victims had nothing to do with the shooting death by a BART police officer of Oscar Grant on New Year's Day - but that did little to sway the mob.

"I feel like the night is going great," said Nia Sykes, 24, of San Francisco, one of the demonstrators. "I feel like Oakland should make some noise. This is how we need to fight back. It's for the murder of a black male."

Sykes, who is black, had little sympathy for the owner of Creative African Braids.

"She should be glad she just lost her business and not her life," Sykes said. She added that she did have one worry for the night: "I just hope nobody gets shot or killed.""

Fucking idiots... I'm not racist by any means, but if the black community wants to gain respect then maybe they should hold morons like these rioters accountable for their words and actions?

[Brandon99]

If you haven't seen the video: