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Old 11-14-2002, 01:10 AM   #1
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Any GFY Gulf War vets here?

and any of you having serious memory problems latley?

I can't remember jack anymore.... I forgot that we had dinner just a few hours ago...

I never worried about it before, but it's starting to get to the point that I can't ignore it anymore...
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I'll ask one of my buddies, he was over there for a spell.

Are you taking any medications?
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I'll ask one of my buddies, he was over there for a spell.

Are you taking any medications?
no meds... been living on pure denial for over a decade...
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The reason I ask is that depression can manifest itself in such a way. Do a search for mild cognitive impairment on Google.
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lol... I'm not depressed bro... ;-)
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lol... I'm not depressed bro... ;-)
You don't have to feel depressed to suffer from some of its symptoms. I'm not implying that you are, its just a disorder that works in strange ways.
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no, I'm fairly astute of mind.... but lately I feel like a babbling idiot because I can't even remember where I live... I mix up my girlfriends name with my ex-wives names.... I forget I have kids... i forget if I've eaten or not... I forget jobs and commitments I've made... I forgot my address today.

I forget everything bro.... I don't know what to do...
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no, I'm fairly astute of mind.... but lately I feel like a babbling idiot because I can't even remember where I live... I mix up my girlfriends name with my ex-wives names.... I forget I have kids... i forget if I've eaten or not... I forget jobs and commitments I've made... I forgot my address today.

I forget everything bro.... I don't know what to do...
Dude, that sounds just awful. I hope you get it sorted out.

I would hope that you make an appointment to visit a doctor ASAP if you haven't already done so.
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and any of you having serious memory problems latley?

I can't remember jack anymore.... I forgot that we had dinner just a few hours ago...

I never worried about it before, but it's starting to get to the point that I can't ignore it anymore...
Sounds like a scene from "Memento" keep a pen handy and don't answer the phone
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no, I'm fairly astute of mind.... but lately I feel like a babbling idiot because I can't even remember where I live... I mix up my girlfriends name with my ex-wives names.... I forget I have kids... i forget if I've eaten or not... I forget jobs and commitments I've made... I forgot my address today.

I forget everything bro.... I don't know what to do...
have you seen the excellent movie Memento? euhh right you probably don't remember

Seriously the guy can't remember what happened a few minutes ago so he has to take notes everywhere and even tatoo them on his body...
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have you seen the excellent movie Memento?
Very clever storyline.
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Sounds like a scene from "Memento" keep a pen handy and don't answer the phone
if it turns out anything like "Memento" then Amp is going to look at his tats and it will remind him that he is the son of dragons
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good stuff Rock... most of it I've read before...

as a vet, I can tell you first hand that what that report doesn't tell you is the experimental drugs they had us taking over there...

I was on the crew that enforced it the night of Jan 17th, 1991 when Husseins missles were coming in.... at M16 gunpoint. "You WILL fucking eat your pills or I will shoot you."

Thank god I was on enforcement duty.... I didn't have to take mine...

only twice....

maybe that's why it's taken 11 years to affect me....
less than a full dosage.
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one of those poor bastards killed himself right in front of me.... refused to eat that shit.

Cut his own throat.
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Very clever storyline.
IMHO one of the best movie in the last 5 years...I rarely like new movies but this one was great...unfortunately it dit not get the attention it deserved...it was waaay too complicated for most people
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one of those poor bastards killed himself right in front of me.... refused to eat that shit.

Cut his own throat.
you're kidding us right?
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you're kidding us right?
yeah... I'm kidding.
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IMHO one of the best movie in the last 5 years...I rarely like new movies but this one was great...unfortunately it dit not get the attention it deserved...it was waaay too complicated for most people
The way it cut up the story and its timing is amazing not just because of its novelty but also how it related to the lead's medical condition. The ending was classic.
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you're kidding us right?


I couldn't even begin to describe the hell that was Jan 17th, 1991...


The first and only time I've ever seen grown men freak out to the point of tears.

I can't even get into it.... there are no words.
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A vet of the gulf here. Some memory problems, but I don't think anything out of the norm for a 44 year old. The only remenants I have from the war is a badly fucked up back. Booze can affect your memory after years of over use/abuse. I don't know if this applies to you or not.
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A vet of the gulf here. Some memory problems, but I don't think anything out of the norm for a 44 year old. The only remenants I have from the war is a badly fucked up back. Booze can affect your memory after years of over use/abuse. I don't know if this applies to you or not.
what was your unit bro... where were you?
I've factored in the booze, but booze cannot possibly account for what I'm living now....
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what was your unit bro... where were you?
I've factored in the booze, but booze cannot possibly account for what I'm living now....
I was with the 82nd. You have already told me you were with the Big Red One.
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I was with the 82nd. You have already told me you were with the Big Red One.
yeah... I was 1st Infantry...
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82nd huh... you were there before I was...
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The sad part was during that week, I was having dinner with a couple of friends of mine back in college. All they talked about was how they would flee to Canada if there ever was a draft. One guy's a doctor now in Southern California and the other guy a manager at a big company. I know war is jacked up and I have nothing but respect for the people who fought in that conflict and for enlisted servicepeople in general. I am not Joe Patriot or anything but I would answer the draft instead of taking off.

I lost a little bit of respect for my two buddies that night. Although I appreciated their honesty, I felt a bit repulsed by the hypocrisy of their actions--feeding off the fruits of this country [a quality state subsidized college education and a stable legal and economic framework where they can succeed] while shunning the price that comes with those freedoms and opportunities. I guess most wars are like that--Rich Man's war, Poor Man's fight.





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I couldn't even begin to describe the hell that was Jan 17th, 1991...


The first and only time I've ever seen grown men freak out to the point of tears.

I can't even get into it.... there are no words.
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What was the pill supposed to do?
if we got hit with nerve gas, it keeps you alive for a few more hours so you can kill more people.

But you still die.
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depends

on if you take the red or blue one
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I couldn't even begin to describe the hell that was Jan 17th, 1991...


The first and only time I've ever seen grown men freak out to the point of tears.

I can't even get into it.... there are no words.
Hard for us to imagine what was going on out there. Thanks to the American medias for picturing us the Gulf War like it was a piece of cake...a few bomb dropping and that's it...
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If this is not bullshit of some sort, get your happy ass to the VA like yesterday.
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Hard for us to imagine what was going on out there. Thanks to the American medias for picturing us the Gulf War like it was a piece of cake...a few bomb dropping and that's it...
lol... that fucking tv show they put on likle an episode of Survivor was NOT the gulf war....

my friend....



my fucking friend...
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smashed....



Pipeline road...




I had to go scavenge the HummV for parts....

pulling parts with my friends blood and brain matter all over it.




I hope they fucking NUKE that fucking place.
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a friend of mine had to return to France to fulfill his service and he got shipped off to Beirut

he told me that they gave him so many injections that he wasn't sick for years and years after (no colds, flu, etc)

they give similar shots to people in the airline industry

eventually those "super serums" are going to have an adverse effect on the body
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lol... that fucking tv show they put on likle an episode of Survivor was NOT the gulf war....

my friend....



my fucking friend...
Indeed...and isn't weird that no movies have been made on this war yet? well actually there was one with George Clooney but I would not call that a real war movie..
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Indeed...and isn't weird that no movies have been made on this war yet? well actually there was one with George Clooney but I would not call that a real war movie..
what's the point?

televised live coverage and/or movies only sterilize the reality and serve it up in pre-packaged, bite sized bits

one of my friends who served in Nam won't to this day talk about his experiences

another friend of the family was at Hiroshima after the bomb....the pictures he brought back left me seriously disturbed

there is no medium to describe war
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check the eyes in the sig.... he is anti-internet. my uncle the vn vet.

he's not home yet.

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what's the point?

televised live coverage and/or movies only sterilize the reality and serve it up in pre-packaged, bite sized bits

one of my friends who served in Nam won't to this day talk about his experiences

another friend of the family was at Hiroshima after the bomb....the pictures he brought back left me seriously disturbed

there is no medium to describe war
no point ...actually I'm tired and I was just thinking out loud...it's just that I haven't heard, read or see any documentaries that actually tell us what really happened...so I guess, as you said, people just don't want to talk about it...which tells me something did happen out there...I mean, if it was just some easy bombing like CNN showed us, people would not mind talking about it...

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I had a Political Economy professor who had the stones to declare in one of his lectures that the TRUE HEROES of the Vietnam war were the college kids who stayed behind and protested against the war. Its kinda disturbing that the "false heroes" in his mind were giving up their lives so he can spout that crap. That's Berkeley for ya.


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I had a Political Economy professor who had the stones to declare in one of his lectures that the TRUE HEROES of the Vietnam war were the college kids who stayed behind and protested against the war. Its kinda disturbing that the "false heroes" in his mind were giving up their lives so he can spout that crap. That's Berkeley for ya.


oh definately they are heroes....

modern day even....


fucking pussy ass muther fuckers.... they can't even begin to know what it's like in the shit... it's pretty fucking easy to sit on some manicured college grass holding A FUCKING SIGN and protest against shit they have no idea what the FUCK it's about...


hypocrital fucking bastards... I'd like to skull fuck every last one of them. They don't deserve the country they fucking live in.
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Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or PTSD. I'm sure you've heard of it, but you should take a close look and take it seriously. Not the same as depression. It takes different forms and memory problems sound like a classic example. Take it seriously and seek some treatment. Memory problems are probably only a fraction of the shit your dealing with--panic reactions, "overreactions", nightmares, "hating God", obsessive thoughts and "horror show" movies playing in the head are all pretty common with PTSD. It is misery and can lead to suicide/homicide. Survival guilt and the guilt of having to follow fucked-up orders don't just go away with discharge, six-packs or bongloads. Do something, bro. Call the VA or see a therapist--hopefully a therapist who was a vet. I'm not a vet, but I'm talking about this shit from experience.

An example of how serious and weird this shit can get is the case of some cambodian women who witnessed some killing-fields massacres when they were girls during the 70s. They had a PTSD called "hysterical blindness", meaning they were literally blind afterwards even though their eyes weren't physically damaged. There's also examples of Holocaust survivors experiencing paralysis even though they were physically intact. Weird but true. There's usually a dramatic symptom or self-destructive shit that arises before people realize that they need help and medical attention.

Good luck bro. It's worth looking into.
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Amp,

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or PTSD. I'm sure you've heard of it, but you should take a close look and take it seriously. Not the same as depression. It takes different forms and memory problems sound like a classic example. Take it seriously and seek some treatment. Memory problems are probably only a fraction of the shit your dealing with--panic reactions, "overreactions", nightmares, "hating God", obsessive thoughts and "horror show" movies playing in the head are all pretty common with PTSD.
Fuck, I have like 80% of those things. Maybe I have PTSD... but I've never gone thru anything remotely stressful.

Also, I'm an anti-social, but that's by choice. Does that count?
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Amp, sounds bad. Not sure if it has to do with the war of course. Many people over 35 have the same issues, never having been to the warzone.

But it could be.


One thing I don't understand: Few eeks back you wanted to go back there, why?? The bad experience is less worse than being able to kill a few more?
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oh definately they are heroes....

modern day even....


fucking pussy ass muther fuckers.... they can't even begin to know what it's like in the shit... it's pretty fucking easy to sit on some manicured college grass holding A FUCKING SIGN and protest against shit they have no idea what the FUCK it's about...


hypocrital fucking bastards... I'd like to skull fuck every last one of them. They don't deserve the country they fucking live in.
I couldn't agree more. Those little pussies should be exiled to Canada.
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hypocrital fucking bastards... I'd like to skull fuck every last one of them. They don't deserve the country they fucking live in.
Agreed. Parasitic hypocrisy blows. If people want to play, they should be willing to pay. I'd have more respect for antiwar peaceniks if they exercise their protest rights but still answer the call to service instead of hopping on the next bus to Ontario.
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Was there for 7 months total.
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