hmmm, is it considered gay if you use the bathroom curtains to wipe off instead?

Do you know the difference between science and opinion.

Much props to Freud for philosophy, but he never produced any science to my
knowledge.

For all we know Freud could have been the biggest bigot in the world toward gays
and this influenced his opinion.

But of course we can not apply any analysis to Freud; he can only analyze us. :winkwink:

Actually I have one son who had 3 strong female influences in his life with minor males in the background. He was taught to shake his thing a few extra times after peeing because there is nothing worse than a wet spot.

Is he gay? No, far from it. The guy always has a girlfriend, all the chicks love him because he got a lot of tips on being the perfect guy from the girls in his life. He has hung out with the same group of guys since grade school. One of them came out as gay (they all knew for years he must be gay and didn't care). They still hang out with him, and the guy even brings his boyfriend with him when they all bring dates for dinner etc.

My son does not believe his manhood is on the line having a friend who is gay. He believe who a person is, how they treat you, is far more important than who they screw behind closed doors.

My son's best "net friend" is a hardcore gamer like he is. She also happens to be a lesbian (not bi) who up until meeting my son pretty well hated all guys. They met in person at a few gamer trade shows where he went with his gaming buddies. He then spent 3 weeks this past summer traveling with her and her girlfriend through the American Rockies and Yellowstone park. They all had a blast.

My son feels the female influence in his life had positive effects on him. It has made him a more attentive friend and a caring boyfriend.

You don't have to have a beard, ride bikes and have a wet spot to be a man, and wiping your dick clean after you pee doesn't make you gay.

Tell ya what. Buy a box of wipes, wipe your dick after peeing every day for a month and then tell us if you screwed any guys. I bet your answer will be no.

Ding Ding Ding. Anyone who thinks it's a choice needs to have their heads checked.

I can hardly believe, in this day and age, that this would even need to be debated.

As stated above, thats theory not evidence. In any case Freud died in the late 30s. Since then we've benefited from alot of scientific research (not theory as Freud presented but actual research based evidence) which shows many possible causes for homosexuality. None have suggested your post was correct.

Your post was still pretty stupid :2 cents:

Okay, that wins for most bizarre thing I have seen all day.



Anyway, on topic...if properly cleaning your penis makes a guy gay then I only wish more straight guys were gay.

Absolutely 100% believe you're born with your sexual preference hardwired.

I also think in the years to come, people will look back at the whole "it's a choice" thing and laugh about how stupid that sounds, just like we laugh at people years ago leeching blood to cure basic medical problems or performing exorcisms for mental illnesses.

i have to say i am impressed with the thoughfullness and sensitivity that most convey in this thread. open mindedness to learn and discuss views with one another on this topic shows a maturity that is mostly lacking on this forum. a couple weeks ago there was a documentary on gay identical twins. i was only able to see the first 20-30 minutes of it but will look for it again to air. the identicals were studied at length to try to find any differences (obviously there were none on a genetic level). the first set were males out of high school. one gay, one not. the parents were involved in the interviewing and with the whole family involved, all agreed that nothing was different in the upbringing. the gay twin recalled having zero interest in sports while his brother was into playing them all at. he said he was interested in the arts, drama, dance etc. at a very young age. i didn't get to see the next set of twin adult females which were both gay. basically, the documentary still didn't answer any of the questions difinitively that are in this thread. there was no "logical" (nurture) or "biological" (nature) answer to come out of the study as to why people were gay or straight. the statistic that was listed after they showed the first set of twins, based on all of the identical twin studies, was that if one twin is gay, there is a 50% rate of the other twin being gay. i think that was about all they could conclude. anyone else see this documentary?? kinda of made me rethink a few of the nature vs nurture ideas out there. seemed like neither was the answer. for the record, i believe a person is either going to be gay or they are not. no tangible explanations, just one of lifes beautiful mysteries that doesn't need solving. :2 cents:

I think that there are both types of gays :)

I believe a boy can tollerate and accept other gays, maby even have an encounter. But to be truely gay, you are born with it:2 cents:

I think it's a combination of the two. In my opinion being born with a certain sexual attraction is the main cause, but upbringing can influence that attraction to some degree.

Then how do you explain this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals

Looks like Firecracker beat me to it...

I think it has more to do with genetics, after all I'm sure most gays were raised by heterosexual parents in a hetero environment, and yet they turned out to be gay.

Correct, there are both types. For the most part most gays are born that way, BUT... what about all those otherwise straight guys who, for example, get sent to prison for life and become what's called being "institutionally gay"? In that situation I think it definitely comes down to choice.

Actually, I'd say you're the most correct response so far. When I had to take a biology course for pre-med they were teaching that gayness is a result of genetics and that it is transferred along the mother's side... and that was in 1994. Will this show up on the front page of the daily newspaper? Probably not for some time yet. It just blows the whole moral majority attitude and religious opinions right out the door.

As to the limp wrist and girl walk - it's the higher estrogen. Purely biological.