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WarChild 01-04-2009 12:13 AM

You're not really making a case for having perfected hockey. Seems like you bit off a little more than you can chew.

Phil 01-04-2009 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15279415)
Dmitry Kulikov (Drummondville Voltigeurs)
Yuri Cheremetiev (Halifax Mooseheads)
Dmitri Kugryshev (Quebec Remparts)
Sergey Ostapchuk (Rouyn-Noranda Huskies)
Evgeny Grachev (Brampton Battalion)
Sergey Korostin (Peterborough Petes)
Andrei Loktionov (Windsor Spitfires

OK, thats 7. Is that a lot?

WarChild 01-04-2009 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 15279421)
OK, thats 7. Is that a lot?

Well those are just the ones that played in this tournament.

I'd guess that's 7 more than went to Russia, anyway. :thumbsup

Phil 01-04-2009 12:17 AM

You see sonny, the difference between me and you is that I don’t have to google any of that stuff. I know it by heart. Russia has been the only team that went in to semi finals in every Olympic Game for the past 20 years.

Phil 01-04-2009 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15279424)
Well those are just the ones that played in this tournament.

I'd guess that's 7 more than went to Russia, anyway. :thumbsup

Thats 7 that know how to play against Canada in canada. You really think there wasn't enough players in Russia? Tuck you Canadian pride in you back pocket..
Didi you notice that I answered every one of your questions and you didn't any of mine??

Phil 01-04-2009 12:24 AM

Ill let you google. I'll be right back. Have to check on my pet pussyserver.

WarChild 01-04-2009 12:24 AM

You're just cherry picking stats to back up a wild claim you made that Russians perfected hockey.

Clearly they didn't, because they're not and have not been dominating hockey. Perfection requires that.

I'm not the one who has to tuck away national pride. Whenever Russia is brought up in anything you go on and on about how it's the greatest at everything.

I actually don't think Canadian hockey players or Russian hockey players are better. I think they've both produced dominating teams as well as lack luster teams. They've had great battles against each other both winning some and both losing some.

I also think that right now Canada has a much better junior hockey system. The evidence for this is all kinds of European players coming to Canada to play junior hockey. This is not because Canadians are better than Russians, it's just the way things are, for now.

So you can rant and rave about how you've perfected a sport you haven't been dominating in but the rest of us can step back and say they're both pretty good hockey countries.

Phil 01-04-2009 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15279445)
You're just cherry picking stats to back up a wild claim you made that Russians perfected hockey.

Clearly they didn't, because they're not and have not been dominating hockey. Perfection requires that.

I'm not the one who has to tuck away national pride. Whenever Russia is brought up in anything you go on and on about how it's the greatest at everything.

I actually don't think Canadian hockey players or Russian hockey players are better. I think they've both produced dominating teams as well as lack luster teams. They've had great battles against each other both winning some and both losing some.

I also think that right now Canada has a much better junior hockey system. The evidence for this is all kinds of European players coming to Canada to play junior hockey. This is not because Canadians are better than Russians, it's just the way things are, for now.

So you can rant and rave about how you've perfected a sport you haven't been dominating in but the rest of us can step back and say they're both pretty good hockey countries.

I was just poking at you as far as domination. Just healthy argument. Better than talking to idiot pussyserver. I’m watching some lame horror movie right now that my wife picked. I hate horror flicks.

As far as junior hockey goes you’re 100% wrong. Most euros come from Czech, Slovak, germany. Thats because their sports system is in shambles. Russia however has second best league in the world. Most junior players get on pro teams and get a lot of exposure. NHL domination is almost nonexistent unless you’re Malkin/Ovechkin level. All that crap about coming to N. America is BS at this point. More and more players opt out to play in KHL unless they get fat one-way contract in the NHL. Look up Alex Semins history.. That’s how it is bro..

PostWhore 01-04-2009 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15279377)
Olympic Ice Hockey Medals

Gold / Silver / Bronze

Canada: 9 / 5 / 2
USSR: 7 / 1 / 1
Russia: 0 / 1 / 1

Canada got most of its medals before 50s, playing such hard teams as Great Britain and Switzerland. They were shut off for like 40 years for gold against USSR

Phil 01-04-2009 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PostWhore (Post 15279481)
Canada got most of its medals before 50s, playing such hard teams as Great Britain and Switzerland. They were shut off for like 40 years for gold against USSR

Be quiet. This is top secret.

strongdong 01-04-2009 01:05 AM

this thread is nearly as entertaining as the game, nice work guys

NYRangers 01-04-2009 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 15278933)
You got lucky there.
Russia was underdog big time. Best team didn't win tonight, but thats Ok.

As much as it hates me to say it (living in Canada), the better team won tonight. That's why they are the better team. If the Russian Junior team was better they would not have put themselves in a place to lose.

And before you put your panties in a bunch I was behind the reds.

Phil 01-04-2009 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by NYRangers (Post 15279500)
As much as it hates me to say it (living in Canada), the better team won tonight. That's why they are the better team. If the Russian Junior team was better they would not have put themselves in a place to lose.

And before you put your panties in a bunch I was behind the reds.

what can I say. Good for you???

NYRangers 01-04-2009 01:19 AM

Fuck good for me. I am in Canada rooting for the Russians. I lost alot of money tonight. Go Sweden!!!

Phil 01-04-2009 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NYRangers (Post 15279535)
Fuck good for me. I am in Canada rooting for the Russians. I lost alot of money tonight. Go Sweden!!!

What I meant is “good for you to think that way”..
Russians didn’t put themselves into position to lose. First of all, kid missed empty netter. Not only he missed it he failed to skate past blue line and shoot the puck causing icing. Second of all, nemchinov should have had his best player Filatov on that shootout. WTF was going thru his mind.. That I don’t know. If you think I’m alone in this I suggest you check out hfboards.dot.com…

This wasn’t about team. This was fucking arrogance.

Phil 01-04-2009 01:27 AM

Besides, how the fuck did you lose money on this game? The spread was +3 for Canada last time I checked?

NYRangers 01-04-2009 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 15279551)
Besides, how the fuck did you lose money on this game? The spread was +3 for Canada last time I checked?

I don't know what the spread was but I bet flat out. I get nice payouts if it ever comes in. Betting in Canada sucks. The odds are always shit. I have to bet back home in New York to lose my money fairly.

As for the shootout, don't get me criticizing the coach. As much as I love Russian hockey I just can't figure out what the people think, let alone the coach.

In the next Olympics I am completely rooting for the Russians and the Swedes. I want to see the two best players in the world (Ovechkin (Алекса́ндр Миха́йлович Ове́чкин) and Malkin (Евгений Влади́мирович Малкин)) play for Russia while they despise each other.

Phil 01-04-2009 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NYRangers (Post 15279594)
I don't know what the spread was but I bet flat out. I get nice payouts if it ever comes in. Betting in Canada sucks. The odds are always shit. I have to bet back home in New York to lose my money fairly.

As for the shootout, don't get me criticizing the coach. As much as I love Russian hockey I just can't figure out what the people think, let alone the coach.

In the next Olympics I am completely rooting for the Russians and the Swedes. I want to see the two best players in the world (Ovechkin (Алекса́ндр Миха́йлович Ове́чкин) and Malkin (Евгений Влади́мирович Малкин)) play for Russia while they despise each other.

Lets put it this way, our best player Nikita Filatov wasn’t even in a shoot out. What was going on thru coaches mind I don’t know.
Thanks for googling Malkin and Ovechkin names there. I would have no idea who they were if it wasn’t for you. ;)
I will be in Vancouver just like I did in SLC and Turin, so if you want to get together let me know.

Phil 01-04-2009 02:08 AM

Oh, the whole thing about Malkin and Ovechkin is over. I can give you link to AO’s latest interview.

NYRangers 01-04-2009 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 15279617)
Oh, the whole thing about Malkin and Ovechkin is over. I can give you link to AO?s latest interview.

It better not be. I love that Ovechkin hates Geno. And for what its worth, that wasn't a Google search. I have no idea who you are but I should. We could debate Russian hockey (unbiased ;) for hours from both sides. We need to talk any time when I sober up. My ICQ number 2103055 and my Im name is edorgasm.

I'll keep your identity quiet just to talk hockey.

Phil 01-04-2009 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NYRangers (Post 15279629)
It better not be. I love that Ovechkin hates Geno. And for what its worth, that wasn't a Google search. I have no idea who you are but I should. We could debate Russian hockey (unbiased ;) for hours from both sides. We need to talk any time when I sober up. My ICQ number 2103055 and my Im name is edorgasm.


I'll keep your identity quiet just to talk hockey.

I have no secrets and nothing to hide.
I’ll be in Buffalo next year for sure. My ICQ is in my profile.

Mutt 01-04-2009 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 15279363)
chill man, you have no idea how I am.
You know I'm right. You invented hockey, we perfected it.

no, i know you're wrong, because I was alive to watch it all go down. what the Soviets did, was give Canadian hockey a big wakeup call in the 1970's that the watered down NHL which had expanded way too much and way too quickly, had produced the Philadelphia Flyers, was having a horrible effect on all levels of Canadian hockey. Canada realized from the Soviets that their skating and stick/puck skills had deteriorated and it had spread down to every level of Canadian hockey. I won't take anything away from the Soviet teams of the 70's and early 80's - they were amazingly skilled teams - but STILL Canada more often than not found a way to beat them. And NEVER EVER EVER FORGET that on the biggest stage in the most important tournament to the Soviets, with arguably their best team ever, LOST to a team of American college boys at the Lake Placid Olympics.

Those great Soviet teams were the product of Communism. That's where Communism excels. The system has complete control over the individual - perfect incubator for building great athletes and teams.

Canada and USA Hockey too for that matter studied the parts of the Soviet sports system that could be tolerated over here. Kids today in Canada and the US are tagged early as potential players for their international/Olympic teams, there are summer camps where they are brought together, skills schools, national teams for all age divisions that have IHHF tournaments.

When the Soviet Union crumbled, Russian hockey crumbled too. It still produces some great skilled hockey players, but no longer does it produce great teams. Canada took back its superiority over hockey, a very slim superiority. As it should be - it's the only country on the planet where hockey is undisputably the number one sport. The world caught up to Canada in hockey, and later the US learned the world had caught up to it in basketball and now baseball - no longer will any one country be vastly superior to the rest of the world in any sport. Canada was absolutely horrible at the last Olympics.

Did the Soviet system perfect hockey? No doubt that the Soviets' goal was to build ONE perfect team. They came close. But that ONE perfect team lost to a bunch of fat out of shape Canadians in the late summer of 1972, lost to other Canadian NHL teams several times and that one perfect team lost to the American college team in 1984. Proving that hockey is a game not only of skill and organization.

I remember when Canadian teams were incapable of completing two passes in a row - it was horrible, there were still some great skilled Canadian players, mostly French Canadians, Gilbert Perrault who Tikhonov in '72 said was the only Canadian who could play for his team, Guy Lafleur - but the rest were pretty limited skill wise, guys who went up and down their wings like table hockey players, bashing into people or winding up for slapshots. Bobby Clarke represented the best and the worst in Canadian hockey and it all culminated in the single worst incident in sports I've ever seen - I was 8 years old. Nobody played with the heart of Bobby Clarke, nobody wanted to win more, the photos of his toothless maniacal grin on the ice are legend, he was a slight of build centerman from the Canadian praries, a diabetic who was told he'd never make the NHL - as the out of shape Canadians realized in 1972 that the Soviets were more skilled than they were, faster than they were and far more physically conditioned - Clarke took it upon himself to remove the Soviets best player Valery Kharmalov from the series - permanently. In the most despicable and brutal fashion he skated towards an unsuspecting Kharmalov and took his hockey stick like a baseball bat and swung two handedly at Kharmalov's ankle and shattered it.

That's why it's so great today to watch the Canadian kids play, they don't have to shatter the ankle of the other team's best player, they don't have to rely just on their Canadian grit and heart for the game - they can all skate like the wind and handle the puck - and still play with the same passion as the Canadian teams their dads and grandfathers did.

Phoenix 01-04-2009 07:15 AM

awesome game...and its now tied up...15/15 canada/russia

great rivalry...the russia/canada game is almost as important as the gold medal game

VeriSexy 01-04-2009 10:29 PM

That was a insane game.. Canada had the puck luck

Jman 01-04-2009 10:32 PM

something about junior hockey that surpass the NHL... these kids aren't making dick and fighting to make the big bucks.

Some real nice hockey in this tournament ;-)


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