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MarkTiarra 11-12-2002 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
popups galore on that site too mark.
I like the jokes but I haven't gone in a long time. The type of humor is alot like Howard Stern where it's fun at first but then the shock value wears off. But I know the guy does extremely well with it.

I just wanted to raise it up as an example of a Flash dependant site that I knew made good profit.

So now I must ask the next question for my board compatriot, Amp... when did you get so serious dude? MSNBC for fun!? Heehee. I gotta buy you a drink in Vegas and maybe sit you in front of a Bugs Bunny marathon or something. =]

pine 11-12-2002 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

1. It took over my screen. Reason enough for me to close it out immediately and never go back.

2. Alien environment. I now have to sit and learn how to operate this thing because it's unlike anything I'm used to. Not many surfers are willing to do that.

3. The first thing I clicked on at random, (since I'm not familiar with their alien environment) locked up the whole works. Had to Taskman my way out of it

Knocking 'em dead huh? Who...? The owners in lost revenue?
I think it's been too long since you were a regular surfer. It's not an Alien environment unless you are running on MS-DOS or something...and if that's the case, then there isn't a website around that wouldn't be alien to you. It's an remote application interface. See icon, click icon, content opens. Fully integrated with a seamless, invisible backend.

It's also not full screen. Didn't you notice the taskbar was still available at the bottom?

As for your lockup...I dunno. It has never locked me up.

There will never be a way to convince you, Amp, nor would I ever try. You are obviously very successful with what you do and how you do it... but to say that this can never work for the online Adult industry might be a little short-sighted.

Amputate Your Head 11-12-2002 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by MarkTiarra
So now I must ask the next question for my board compatriot, Amp... when did you get so serious dude? MSNBC for fun!? Heehee. I gotta buy you a drink in Vegas and maybe sit you in front of a Bugs Bunny marathon or something. =]
when I want fun I go to the beach and relax with a cooler of brew or grab the board and catch a wave. Or if all else fails, turn on the tv.

when I'm in front of the computer I want information. I know I screw off in GFY alot, but that's pretty much the extent of my computer 'fun'. I don't play video games, I don't hang out in irc chat rooms, I don't search for cartoons or funny AOL virus hoaxes. I'm either working or I'm looking for information.... been that way for a long time.

MarkTiarra 11-12-2002 10:27 PM

Okay, you're redeemed... you surf. I was thinking you might have a permanent tie thing going on! Heehee.... Wait I see your location is Hawaii...

It all makes sense now! WTF are you doing on a computer at all??? Get out there and enjoy the waves dude!

bhutocracy 11-12-2002 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by pine
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Amp, look at this:

www.ego7.com

Flash does a lot more than create "spinning gadgets". The entire website is essentially a program interface. Imagine that. Keep in mind, the Big Boys are heading towards leased Operating Systems and Productivity Software. If EGO7 was a porn site, it would be killing 'em dead. And you cannot reproduce that effect with HTML no matter how hard you try.

actually dude thats a really bad example to be showing people.. i hate when something takes over my whole fucking screen.. as soon as a surfer hit it they would alt f4.. plus it froze.. so i had a whole grey screen full of nothing.. i've seen the site before and it's nice enough.. but im not actually promoting the use of full flash sites for porn myself at the moment, you can get the same impact without the "full flash site? time to press the back button" reaction.. and that platinum bucks thing that amp linked to is pretty full on - like someones cracked open their copy of swish and gone to town..

Amputate Your Head 11-12-2002 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by pine


See icon, click icon, content opens.

But I don't use that system here.... I don't keep icons on my desktop. Yet they would have me do so. I don't like that.

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Originally posted by pine
As for your lockup...I dunno. It has never locked me up.
go back in there.... when it first opens up, in the center, click on where it says "Pic Wall' or something like that, and tell me it doesn't lock up. It's done it to me twice.

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Originally posted by pine
There will never be a way to convince you, Amp, nor would I ever try. You are obviously very successful with what you do and how you do it... but to say that this can never work for the online Adult industry might be a little short-sighted.
it may work for adult... but it's going to have to evolve a helluva lot farther than the current methods of throwing some fancy shit around in circles for a few minutes with an option to turn off the sound... lol :winkwink:

daddynastee 11-12-2002 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
the flash should be quietly enhancing the site.... not the other way around.
:thumbsup Yep.

s9ann0 11-13-2002 04:11 AM

flash is slow even on broadband and annoying

I go to enough flash sites and I dunno how to get stuff up.. fancy flying menus that u can't click on then you can't click back and you can't do "open link in new window" on flash links and music thats annoying as well

some of them are ok but I still prefer HTML

flash games an animations are fun though

nike 11-13-2002 04:53 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head


1. It took over my screen. Reason enough for me to close it out immediately and never go back.

2. Alien environment. I now have to sit and learn how to operate this thing because it's unlike anything I'm used to. Not many surfers are willing to do that.

3. The first thing I clicked on at random, (since I'm not familiar with their alien environment) locked up the whole works. Had to Taskman my way out of it

Knocking 'em dead huh? Who...? The owners in lost revenue?

...you got to give this one to Amputate, better than that the whole fucking site was a bust for me because I block pop ups at a browser level, it wasn't until I had opened it in Internet Explorer that it even began to understand the concept.

Anybody here thinks an adult site like that would work well? Then pay me what it's worth and I'll build it. Fuck most of the graphics look like pre-existing modules from flashkit or whatever, and you have to give Macromedia some credit because that back-end stuff with MX is now a lot fucking simpler. Gone are the days when a copy of generator alone was a license to print money.

There is some slick stuff in Flash, right click on a flash six .swf and see what is under settings, control the client computer's microphone and camera etc.. Maybe there is even potential in using flash as a new movie format, especially if you can somehow code some simple DRM functions into it.

If you can tell it's a flash site then it's failed, but it's still better than DHTML.

-=HUNGRYMAN=- 11-13-2002 05:23 AM

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Originally posted by Niki
I personally don't like flash on webmaster sites at all ... time is money and flash isn't fast ...
flash done right is far leaner that it's HTML counterpart, and is very fast

case in point:
www.paysitedesign.com/flash.html

satin teens is 100% done in flash .. and it loads very fast ... as does the swatch ad ...

problem is ... 90% of flash designers do not use flash as a streaming tool ... one of it's best functions ... they still try to preload everything, which makes the flash piece slow and the viewer will opt out of it :(

thanks for the stats Mark ... they are quite consistant with stats we have collected ... :thumbsup :thumbsup

MarkTiarra 11-13-2002 01:23 PM

Booyah on the streaming comment! Very true.

Helpful note to ya too... check that link you posted at a very high screen rez - the image of the guy with the white mask gets broken.

Thanks for sharing the stat conf too... =]


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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-


flash done right is far leaner that it's HTML counterpart, and is very fast

case in point:
www.paysitedesign.com/flash.html

satin teens is 100% done in flash .. and it loads very fast ... as does the swatch ad ...

problem is ... 90% of flash designers do not use flash as a streaming tool ... one of it's best functions ... they still try to preload everything, which makes the flash piece slow and the viewer will opt out of it :(

thanks for the stats Mark ... they are quite consistant with stats we have collected ... :thumbsup :thumbsup



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