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okay, well.... didn't mean to do that.
But my feelings on it stand. I choose not to use flash for any reason at this particular time because from my experiences with it across a range of different types of sites... I feel it's a waste of time, energy, and money.
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Now see, here is a good example of someone looking past their own freaking point of view! Guess what guys... SOMETIMES you're not the only freaking one in the car or looking at a website. SHEESH!
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11-12-2002, 07:36 PM
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question Mark....
(no pun intended there.... lol) since you're so pro flash, why not use Director for Shockwave instead? It's got far superior power to Flash.
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Now see here ya go taking a soft statement of mine and turning it into some grand position point.
I did not say I was pro Flash or non Flash. I have simply stated where I think it helps with the evolutionary direction of the net and that we use it when it makes sense from a PROFIT standpoint. So that should answer your question... If there comes a time when I need to develop media content THAT rich to turn profit for my clients, I will up the ante on the design and design tools used to meet the needs. So far we've found some Flash to help conversions pretty well. That's as far as it goes for now... Quote:
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11-12-2002, 07:46 PM
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flash files are generally smaller than director files.. director was developed for multimedia CD's, flash was developed for the web and hence is better for web use. besides the "more powerful" features of director would probably be the same ones people would call a useless waste of time
 - 'cept for the newish shockwave 3d engine which has it's place in games and product show cases.. flash is the standard for web based multimedia no point in using something else unless you've got a very specific need for it.. (a 3d game for instance) |
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if Flash is good, and I agree than for certain elements it can be.... then wouldn't Shockwave logically be better? Isn't the point of using Flash to create a richer experience for the end user in order to boost sales by touching their senses a little deeper than standard graphics can do? And if that's the case, then why wouldn't Shockwave be an even BETTER tool for accomplishing even greater results? You can't argue that Flash is superior for achieving a greater experience and then discount Shockwave as being TOO rich. Is there such a thing as being TOO rich in this ever evolving environment? Shockwave is not new. In fact it existed before Flash. Flash is the vastly trimmed down Outlook Express version of Shockwave.
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why not create a virtual 3D environment with controllable players that the end user can manipulate into various sex acts with a joystick? Wouldn't that be the ULTIMATE in end user experience?
You could do it with Shockwave you know....
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But I CAN argue just that. Some salt is good on my rice... makes the rice tastier than without. Too much salt and I'd rather go back to the plain rice. So it would seem to me that designers overusing Flash had driven you back to plain white rice. =]
And I'll reiterate... My design decisions for client sites are based on profit results and solely profit results. LUMYR stands for, Let Us Make You Rich... not Let Us Make You something so cutting edge it only impresses your mom. =] We've seen no data nor received any positive testing for anything other than minor Flash elements. On the LUMYR site itself I used a complete Flash design and then asked if I should go with an HTML version only too... that's how this whole conversation got started. This because I spent all my time collecting data for paysites and other adult projects I neglected to get data on a webmaster site. =] Seems the 55 to 32 result gave me that answer or at least the beginning of it though. Quote:
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Probably would be good, probably would get a good user response. Question is would the increased profit from sign ups and retention for having said plug-in on your site make up for the development cost? Probably something that would best come from a third party plug in who stands to make recurring income on it and more easily recoup that investment cost.
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nothing in that sales pitch "disagreed" with what i said
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Might wanna consider trying it..... could be cutting edge $$$ making stuff. 
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Let me ask you a question if you don't mind, Amputate...
If you ran a paysite and saw people talking about Flash "bricks" like us and seeing many sites using them would you give them a try to see if they make more profit for you? Despite your personal preference would you try different things and compare the results? Do you wanna be right or do you wanna be rich?
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Fuck 5 minute long intros....
Fuck not being able to use my 'right click' like it was designed.... Fuck trying to find the 'music off' button.... FUCK FLASH |
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11-12-2002, 08:13 PM
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probably the #1 reason to use flash over director is the plugin base. hard to argue with flash's total dominance.
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i have always though that once everyone has broadband director will be the better solution... it is more powerful than flash.. and when file size isn't an issue... the thing here is that at that point we don't know whether they'll have merged into one product or not. |
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No matter how you slice it.... it's still overcooked eye candy. And the chances of it driving your surfer away are probably better than the chances of it being the factor that pushes him to finally pull his credit card out.
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11-12-2002, 09:12 PM
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here is a perfect example... (and I'm not picking on Platinum Bucks, it's just an example)
http://www.platinumbucks.com/main.html This is a site that is NOT entirely made of Flash... yet there is flash in it. Do you find this to be somehow compelling? Is the spinning, whirling crap in the center there making you want to join the program? I find it distracting and annoying. Much like I find a midi file embedded into a page to be distracting and annoying. Maybe that's just me.... who knows. and what about the spinning, whirling flash banners? Do they call out to you to click them? They're not working on me. Maybe I have some sort of disorder or something, but I think the whole flash thing is way overrated.
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the best use of flash is to integrate it so that it isn't readily identifiable as being flash for the PURPOSE of it being flash... which is what the platinum bucks site and others like it say to me as soon as I see them. As soon as I go there, I am washed over with "Oh fuck... another stinking piece of flash crap", and I just wanna close it before I even see anything else..... so why is it there....
I'll tell you why..... that whirling spinning piece of flash is sitting dead center on the page for the sole purpose of showing you just how cool they are because they have a piece of flash on their site. And that's the wrong way to use flash. the flash should be quietly enhancing the site.... not the other way around. Your site shouldn't be just a showcased frame for the flash. Unless you're Macromedia and you're actually selling the Flash tool itself. (yes, theirs is pretty obnoxious as well)
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www.ego7.com Flash does a lot more than create "spinning gadgets". The entire website is essentially a program interface. Imagine that. Keep in mind, the Big Boys are heading towards leased Operating Systems and Productivity Software. If EGO7 was a porn site, it would be killing 'em dead. And you cannot reproduce that effect with HTML no matter how hard you try. |
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2. Alien environment. I now have to sit and learn how to operate this thing because it's unlike anything I'm used to. Not many surfers are willing to do that. 3. The first thing I clicked on at random, (since I'm not familiar with their alien environment) locked up the whole works. Had to Taskman my way out of it Knocking 'em dead huh? Who...? The owners in lost revenue?
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One great example of something being done with Flash that made the owner tons of money...
http://www.joecartoon.com Try that withouth Flash on the net....
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more power to ya Mark... but that's not a direction I ever care to go in.
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popups galore on that site too mark.
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I just wanted to raise it up as an example of a Flash dependant site that I knew made good profit. So now I must ask the next question for my board compatriot, Amp... when did you get so serious dude? MSNBC for fun!? Heehee. I gotta buy you a drink in Vegas and maybe sit you in front of a Bugs Bunny marathon or something. =]
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It's also not full screen. Didn't you notice the taskbar was still available at the bottom? As for your lockup...I dunno. It has never locked me up. There will never be a way to convince you, Amp, nor would I ever try. You are obviously very successful with what you do and how you do it... but to say that this can never work for the online Adult industry might be a little short-sighted. |
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when I'm in front of the computer I want information. I know I screw off in GFY alot, but that's pretty much the extent of my computer 'fun'. I don't play video games, I don't hang out in irc chat rooms, I don't search for cartoons or funny AOL virus hoaxes. I'm either working or I'm looking for information.... been that way for a long time.
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Okay, you're redeemed... you surf. I was thinking you might have a permanent tie thing going on! Heehee.... Wait I see your location is Hawaii...
It all makes sense now! WTF are you doing on a computer at all??? Get out there and enjoy the waves dude!
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flash is slow even on broadband and annoying
I go to enough flash sites and I dunno how to get stuff up.. fancy flying menus that u can't click on then you can't click back and you can't do "open link in new window" on flash links and music thats annoying as well some of them are ok but I still prefer HTML flash games an animations are fun though |
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Anybody here thinks an adult site like that would work well? Then pay me what it's worth and I'll build it. Fuck most of the graphics look like pre-existing modules from flashkit or whatever, and you have to give Macromedia some credit because that back-end stuff with MX is now a lot fucking simpler. Gone are the days when a copy of generator alone was a license to print money. There is some slick stuff in Flash, right click on a flash six .swf and see what is under settings, control the client computer's microphone and camera etc.. Maybe there is even potential in using flash as a new movie format, especially if you can somehow code some simple DRM functions into it. If you can tell it's a flash site then it's failed, but it's still better than DHTML. |
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case in point: www.paysitedesign.com/flash.html satin teens is 100% done in flash .. and it loads very fast ... as does the swatch ad ... problem is ... 90% of flash designers do not use flash as a streaming tool ... one of it's best functions ... they still try to preload everything, which makes the flash piece slow and the viewer will opt out of it  thanks for the stats Mark ... they are quite consistant with stats we have collected ...
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Booyah on the streaming comment! Very true.
Helpful note to ya too... check that link you posted at a very high screen rez - the image of the guy with the white mask gets broken. Thanks for sharing the stat conf too... =] Quote:
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