I don't know exactly what they gross or net so I can't really comment to be honest but as far as making money they are in the top 10 but not top 5

Are we talking money or traffic currently?

the question is who is the wealthiest and the richest currently.

do you think the players who started and are still around lost all there money and are poor now?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pornkings

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL There's a lot of big players and heavy hitters out there nowadays. And a lot of quiet webmasters you don't find on the boards much, nor at the shows, who are making millions playing low key and staying behind the scenes building up site empires. So who does everyone think is the #1 Richest "Bill Gates" of our industry currently? I can think of about 5 candidates for the top spot, but its hard to say who is truly the wealthiest porn diddy of all. [/QUOTE the question is who is the wealthiest and the richest currently. do you think the players who started and are still around lost all there money and are poor now?

if you actually look at every response i made, starting with the first, you'd see that i qualified everything by saying *currently*.

i agree that this thread COULD have brought up interesting discussions about how ppl made money in this biz, or who was successful/failed for what reasons (i.e. ron levi's wife fiasco)

but instead its just a chance 4 a few ppl to namedrop and pretend they're players

typical

:321GFY

maybe we are just not reading it the same.
the richest currently.
Quiet Hit me up on ICQ 161759738

Bro I hope to see you in SD for sex.com.

ICQ me
Snow

D I T T O,

what is your ICQ handle do I have you listed?
161759738 snow hit me up cause I don't see you listed?

I know the Score Group currently have 20 people working in their Internet division and they do no advertising, do not pay for "Traffic" the content coomes from what they buy for the magazines.

BookPress (17 and Photorama) are also very big.

Hustler are coming up all the time. Again not buying content, just usine what they have.

Dont know about individual webmasters.

Some of the biggest hitters are here in Australia. I would suggest someone like Greg L, that is a calculated guess.:thumbsup

Quiet
I'm not saying ARS isn't in the top ten right now as far as traffic goes.
but I can name 10 people who are currently wealthier then them from this industry and they are still around making good money.And they will always have more because they started earlier when the profit was high now the margins are alot tighter.

who has the best conversions right now currently?

I don't think the question was "who has earned the most from this industry"

I think the question was "who do you think is making the most $$$ now"

as soon as they get me richer... I'll give a dam :winkwink:

Am I reading this right?

So who does everyone think is the #1 Richest "Bill Gates" of our industry currently?

#1 richest bill gates of our industry currently

like I said before if someone made 188 mil 2 years ago and someone made 50 mil this year who is the richest currently?

One thing for sure, the really, really big players in the porn business do not post to this board.

Nobody who posts on GFY! Period. Including everyone of you wannabe players' who like to name drop.

How do you know? have you seen all their books?

Like you would know LOL

Fantasyman, Lensman, JoeE and Marc De have all posted on this board. Are they not big enough for you?

I guess the question is who is making the most nobody will ever know unless the big players open there books.

but I will say alot of people are making great money.

how much does one need to make a year to be big?

No one knows who nets the most and no will ever know

Having the most sales or the most traffic doesn't mean your making the most.
I can gross 10 mil a month and only net 500k or I can gross 5 mil a month and net 2.5 mil

So how do we decide who is the biggest do we care?

so who do you guysand gals think is the best converting now?

and who makes you the most?

Interesting thread results. Indeed it seems you can be big, and still kind of keep your true degree of wealth and success in the shadows. It doesn't seem there is a solid consensus as to the King of the Hill yet. I agree on audiotext guys, a lot of money tucked away from that sector, but then again they've been at it for some 18 years now compared to the Net's 7 years. Al from WebPower is in the top 5 for sure, he's had some moster sized programs since the early days, as are a number of other Florida based webmasters who are probably in the top 10 list.

Someone mentioned how to make big bucks. I'd say the surest way is to come up with a new marketing gimmick, and try to get at least a 3 to 6 month run with it before everyone copies you all over the place. Like the BangBus concept. That was brilliant.

The affiliate program of course is a winner if you can build a big one, though a lot of the programs that claim 50,000 or more webmasters you have to wonder how many are really active. Very few every deactivate you from their database since no one wants to admit their webmasters are leaving for another guy's affiliate program.

GirlsGoneWild has done huge bucks with a dynamic crossover program into DVD and Video sales. Anyone seen their infomercial late at night? Its a beauty.

Brokering traffic is good dollars if you have established relationships.

Content production has made some webmasters serious dollars if you can keep pumping out consistently good content.

And whoever comes up with the next great billing solution will make a fortune without a doubt.

At the last show saw a demo of streams to cell phones and think that is a market ripe for picking with lots of opportunities, though the base of full color high res cell phones is just starting to take off.

Really? You're a funny guy

c'mon roger, we all know you're dying to tell us all that pornkings freefreefree program is the best converting, so go on....get it over with.

Jaime your in seattle?
hit me up on ICQ 161759738

I thought Girls Gone Wild started with VHS/DVD and then moved online?

A lot of the big players in this industry post on the boards. There are some big ones that regularly speak their mind on GFY.

And if they don't post, I assure you either they or an assistant is lurking to keep tabs on the webmaster vibe and gossip.

best spot on statistician money can buy baybeh!

:thumbsup

why do you think that?
Do you think I need to?

Maybe your right its never enough. LOL

don't worry when we launch our New Improved Pornkings then you will here about it. LOL

GGW is huge but now theyve turned to ripoff marketing practices 2 make their money unfortunately. sort of like a time life books but much sneakier.

ggw was worth 50 mil awhile back but he has a jet and who knows what else so those #s are prolly way off

but hey gotta love a country where a plumber can own his own jet!

:thumbsup

The richest webmasters will stay low key if they are smart.
I think it would suprise everyone how many unknown webmasters do many ten's of millions a year.

i agree. of course, it becomes very difficult to remain low key if you are based on an affiliate program...

Damn alot of player haters
Its all good I got luv for ya all/

you think I pay to get ranked?

Why isn't ARS doing it then since they make the most?
Or anyone else you guys think are the biggest.

I'm sure they can out bid me for top position:winkwink:

Like I said put me to the test if you don't make more with us
I will make up the differance

I'm in Seattle now, but flying back to L.A on Wednesday. I have a place in LA and Seattle so I never know where I am.

Do you guys even know who owns it and who his father is?

Plumber yea right

Its Joe Francis who runs Mandalay Direct his partner is Jason Hervey from wonder years and his father is the President of Mandalay Pictures

:2 cents:

You cant possibly be insinuated that you make as much or more than ARS? LOL

They can't just look at the FTC records:2 cents:

big brother is always watching i don't care how big you are

The richests ones in the porn business are not actually webmasters, though some of them may have been or currently have webmasters on their payrolls. You are right though, most serious webmasters do not expose themselves or their businesses on the boards, and this is pretty common knowledge.

Same here
we need to hook up some time

Who fucking cares who the richest Webmaster of all is?

Does that make him the most honest, the nicest, the funniest or the most intelligent?

Once again, the superficial triumphs over substance.

Agreed.
But a good affiliate program is required if you want to do 1000-2000 signups a day. The highest number of daily signups I have heard without webmaster program is 400 signups a day. (I am sure there are ones that generate more per day though).

So the question will remain unanswered.
Why is it important to know who the richest webmaster is anyway? Its not like he is going to send anyone some free traffic or money ;-)

That leads to another interesting question. What is the total universe of signups per day for the industry as a whole? I'm thinking 150,000 to 200,000.

you really have no clue do you..

You think we just started this game.
do you even know our history?

Hit me up on ICQ so I can educate you

I guess for you this industry revolves around ARS

trials or full 30 day memberships ;)

the ppl who used this thread as an opportunity 2 spam their own shit yeah, point proved :thumbsup

like i said i hate 2 say it but it feels like all wm boards are devoid of compelling discussions about the business. there are always the 'i fucked her' type posters who ruin stuff for intelligent folks.

ah well! send me some whores from AUS joe.

:winkwink:

Yeh agreed its not important, but a lot of people sure were curious and interested who was being nominated and talked about.

There are plenty of us wembasters who generate our own traffic that remain "low key". Fuck affiliate programs when you can do it yourself.

uh yeah. i'd be one of them ;)