People will continue to pirate until albums drop to a reasonable price, like $8.99. Shit if you suck live you're fucked.

http://torrentfreak.com//images/tota...m-may-2007.jpg

summotorrent used to have an rss feed which was an agreator of all the different tracker out there.

he basically subscribed to the feed, downloaded everything and recorded the downloads from the tracker published stats.

someone did a similar study using mininova feeds, but that not considered as accurate because mininova blocks porn, which skews the numbers.

MPAA did a study using isohunts numbers and they came to 54%.

This was the lowest percentage that i could find amoung all the studies.


as for you top 100 two points you need to make you are looking at the pirate bay and ignoring sites like eztv.it/tvtorrents.com etc which obviously skews the results.

second you are looking at a torrent by torrent distribution and not a content by content distritution
what i mean by that you are not summing all torrents of the same content together

http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=heroes+s03e13

see how their are multiple different versions of the same show.

lol upload of this episode of heroes is listed 5 times before the fold.
The stats i am giving you come form the summing of all those pages of heroes episode torrents.

lastly look at your list a single episode of heroes is in the top 100 for this week.
AXXO current release is at the top. Heroes will show up in the top 100 every week it airs, AXXO spikes when he releases a new video (because people subscribe to his feed).

Something that shows up consistantly in the top 100 week after week, across multiple submitters is going to over all be much larger number then you can get from a short time spike cause by being a famous submitter (pirate) submitting a new movie this week.

Yes and if people want to watch an epsidoe of Heroes they can get it form Amazon.com or Itunes and pay the $2 for it. Or if you just missed a recent episode you can watch it on NBC.com anytime you wish in "HD" no less. No torrent necessary and its free.

You can do that now, with a lot of shows directly from the company's websites.

So, in theory, bittorrents should no longer be used in the case of GG's argument. Oh, that's right. He doesn't want to have to watch the commercials that PAY FOR the show you are watching.

:disgust

right so you expect me to buy the right to view twice, once when i pay my cable bill and again from itunes.

that the point i am making, i paid for it already, i should not have to pay for it again.


or maybe it because NBC.com doesn't broadcast heroes to canada, and globaltv.com doesn't have a HD streaming option.

personally the reason why i use bit torrent is because i don't want to be teathered to the internet. Stream is great when i am watching it on my laptop, but with a bit torrent i can watch it anyware, i can put it on my ipod, i can move it to 52 inch projection tv by copying the file on my usb stick and plugging it into my dvd player.

if i recorded it with tivo i would be able to skip the commercial, even if i watched every commercial neilson does not count them for the advertising metrics, so they don't pay for the show at all.

the arguement that i am costing the show money by using torrents intead of tivo is total crap. The arguement that i should be forced to stream simply because i choose not to use tivo, while tivo should continue to have the right to skip the commercial.

my cable bill is the licience for my right to view, and no where in that agreement does it say i must watch the commercials. I can go to the washroom during the break, i can get a snack. So arguing that i must be forced to watch commercials because i bittorrent for shows i paid for is insanely irrational arguement.

stats please , i have presented the studies that come to those numbers,
i even quoted from mpaa studies
where do you get your stats that prove that more than 50% of people using torrents are theives.
I ask because your claim is the exact opposite of mine
and while i have backed mine up you still have not backed your up.


US census 99.5% of the households owns at least 1, 97% own at least 2 tvs.
the number is actually higher, because only 60% of the population has internet
since to use torrents you need to have internet
and poor people in the projects who cant afford a tv would not have internet (100% would fall in the .5% who have not tv, and 40% who have no internet)
and amish who avoid all technology would also have neither.

Assuming that distribution is equal across the internet/non internet community is flawed assumption based on these facts, but since the census does not give the composite stat (percentage of the population who has both vs only internet). It is a statistically valid assumption (all be it overly conservative).


well i am canadian so :321GFY

never said that, they why i defined it as +y (it could be .00001% ) it doesn't matter because 50% is tv shows.


but the tax meets all the conditions of a licience (offer acceptance and consideration)
when it is licienced it not a copyright infringement
hense it is not piracy.
the piracy tax turns what would normally be piracy into a legally licienced activity.


if i called you a theif because you didn't pay me for your existing hosting. (pay your hosting bill, and then pay me a second time) would that be legitimate.

I paid for the content, i have a right to timeshift it,

if tivo is legitimate when it doesn't count the commercial (pay for the show) because you had to pay for the cable bill to get access to the show (paid for the content). Then doing the exact same thing (shifting the viewing time) using torrents is just as legitimate.

Unless you want to argue that tivos and pvr should be made illegal because you can buy the shows from amazon, or watch them from stations site.

The problem with that statement is that betamax case clearly stated the copyright holder did not have a right to make such a demand.

and this case legitimized using a cloud to timeshift

we are hairs breath way from explict legitimization of swarm (which is really just a cloud) as a timeshifting device.

Seriously are you retarded? because you pay your cable bill doesn't mean you have the right to everything on TV for free. That's like saying since I pay my ISP everything on the interent should be free.

A) first of all you do not have the right to do that.

B) guess what I rent stuff all the time form Amazon.com and I can stream it to my TV via the xbox 360. So there goes that excuse. I never watch movies I rent from Amazon on my computer.

So your logic is if you want something for free it should be free. If I want a porsche for free I should get a porsche. If you don't want to PAY for content either with cash or by putting up with a few ads you do not DESERVE to watch said content. PERIOD. Think about it this way if Heroes didn't make NBC money guess how long it would be on the air? It wouldn't. NBC is not going to lose money just so you can be entertained. If there is no financial incentive for companies to make movies, Tv shows, music then there simply won't be any new content out there. No one works for free. DO YOU? Of course not. To expect others to do so it's stupid.

No you don't have to watch, but inevitably you will see SOME commercials. You're not going to the bathroom every time a commercial break comes on and come back into the room at the exact moment the show comes back on. Also you forget all these networks get money form the cable companies. For example ESPN get nearly $4 from you cable company( well in the US at least ) per subscriber. So even if no one is watching commercials on ESPN they are getting paid.

Thats interesting

That is the stupid statement i have ever heard, if was saying because i pay for basic cable i should get everything for free your arguement would be valid, but
i have never said that

i said pay for everything i want to watch, i pay for bbc canada, i simply want to use whatever technology i think is most useful to timeshift my viewing rights to a different time.

really i have produced the court cases that say i do. If you are saying i don't produce the court cases that explictly say that i have no right to use a swarm as a timeshifting device.
1. i don't own an xbox 360
2. i am canadian so even if wanted to amazon will not sell me a stream

http://www.blizzardimagehosting.com/...img=heroes.jpg

but even if i were american you are now arguing i should buy $200 so that i have the privilage of paying 1.99 for content i already paid for, and the courts have said i have a right to timeshift for free.


absolutely not, I have never said that if you want something for free it should be free. I have repeatedly said that i paid my cable bill and i bought a right to view the show.

i was saying that tivo/pvr screws the stations over equally. When you tivo a show none of the commercials "recorded" count. The tv stations get no money from the advertisers for tivoed copies of the show.

http://eztv.it/index.php?main=tvnews&show_news=3027
lipstick jungle, pushing daisies all got cancelled because they are tivoed to much.

tivo and the pvr industry wash their hands of the damage they are causing pointing to the betamax case and saying "see we are legal"
they are spending nothing of the $15/month in service charges to help solve the problem they cause.

vs torrents

while i am arguing that it is legal for the EXACT SAME REASON as tivo justifies their ass raping of the tv show producers
at least we are trying to solve the problem.
http://blog.mininova.org/articles/20...ew-technology/

a couple of year ago when stargate sg1 was cancelled by sci-fi i was involved in a project to try and save the show using concept argued in speach "piracy is good"




i spent a good 5k of my own money trying to get this rolling. While there was no problem in convincing the show to try (free money, save you show). The advertisers were not interested because what described as a solution was infact inferior to paid product placement.

The paid product placement would give all the benefits of the "ad bug" but would exist for all airing of the show (tivoed, live, bit torrented). So it was in their best interest to reject that solution.


product placement take all those viewer into account, that why companies like coke paid $1 million an episode to american idol even though commercials cost only $350 k each. Because when you added up all the people who watched it the internal product placement it was more valuable then buying ads that would only be scene by live viewers at a much lower rate.

But that point the same product placement that pays for the uncounted tivo ads pays bittorrent distribution as well.

I still believe the solution will come out of the bittorrent community quite simply because the traditional tv model take 22 out the 26 commercial spot for the distribution companies. The real producers of heroes only get 4 commercial spots in liciencing fees. A torrent solution would pay these producers directly (like product placement)

when i was paying $15/month for a pvr that was exactly what was happening. I never watched a single commercial. I would simply wait for 15 minutes, let the show buffer and start watching. If i need to go to the washroom i paused the show. When the commercials came on i would press a button and skip ahead 30 second. never had to see a single commercial.

I am watching no more or no less commercials now.

While watching the show itself i see the product placement but that is all i see, my commercial viewing habit s have not changed since i replace the pvr with a torrent recorder.

hense my point about how i am paying for the right to view the content when i paid my cable bill.

For the record none of that money goes to the actual show producers. Even though NBC gets paid $4 for every subscriber, none of that money goes to tailwind productions. They must succeed or fail on their live commercial success. If the liciencing fees they ask for falls below the 4 commercial spot level they stay on the air. If the rate goes above that they get cancelled.

As long as tivo/pvr do nothing to solve the problem caused by time shifting
as long as the torrent community keeps trying to solve the problems cause by timeshifting. I will put my money with the people who are trying to help rather than the company who are just putting it in there pocket.

I am fully aware that the torrent sites are trying to help because they are fighting to legitimize their business model, but i don't care, because the end result is that my favorite shows will be saved.

There is no one good excuse for a torrent site to even exist EXCEPT FOR THE PROLIFERATION OF THEFT... Period.

What these companies need to do, or somebody START a company, that first targets the ISP or the offending user or both. Send their info to the local law enforcement and go pick them up, get a warrant, etc. I mean you can't walk into walmart and walk out without a cd without paying and NOT expect to get arrested.

interesting point is ever technological advancement that increased copyright holders income was called theft/piracy at first.

from the printing press, to the vcr, to dvd recorder, to cable television.