"a piece of shit faggot who is scum." wow, that's a good one. Haven't been called that since 3rd grade!

And, it might carry some weight if you actually knew me.

I don't like the lack of reply when I ask about if there's a feature that allows sponsor to erase commissions and detailed stats since that's what it looks like happened with a certain program..


Other than that... I love using programs that use NATS..

The answer to that is no. I thought that was pretty obvious over the last 5 years or so.

ok, first thing, using NATS doesn't drop your sales 25%, webmasters who don't know how to optimize it make a couple big mistakes. I know the biggest mistake is they use the default join form.

After a couple months another kind experienced sponsor program saw I was using the default join form, and told me if I only asked for a username/password on it instead of the default First name, Last name, zip code etc... my sales would go up, and sure enough it made a whopping 15% sales increase difference!!

I'm guessing the other 10% drop some get is because NATS makes it easy to use cross-sells, and some webmaster toss in cross-sales immediately which may drop sales 5 to 10% in some cases, and the rest of any drop would be mis-configured gateway pages and idiots trying to run NATS on servers that are less than optimized to use a hardy SQL database slowing down the overall performace of the site.

After I used NATS for my own program it only made me want to only stick with NATS sponsors for my own affiliate activities since I use 100+ sponsors in any given period.

At the same time, you ccbill die hard affiliates are making me launch a parallel CCBILL version of my program, something I'm not crazy about since I know 2 things about CCBILL. #1 they allow webmasters with 100% stolen content to run programs with them and #2 They scrub so hard that you are guaranteed to have a lower conversion ratio.

No prob... I push a lot of NATS sponsors so would love to see affiliate side improvements. Just saw the wiki too... looks good.

NATS is still the NUTS!

Unless they are using merchant accounts cascading is of limited benefit. Cascading amongst IPSP's has a benefit that is directly equal to the probability that one of the IPSP's is having a technical issue at the time. I am considering changing IPSP's on some of my sites and just finished a lengthy test that found that the differential in approvals amongst the IPSP's was about 3%. There are benefits to be had if you are cascading down to SMS or whatever tho.

I can honestly say I have never in all my time as a webmaster had a backend (NATS/MPA) site work out as well as what it was previously. I feel as I run paysites I know the value of my own traffic and have an insight as to it's saleability and it becomes clear very fast when something is wrong. Others say differently.

And personally I have never liked the lack of transparancy with backends. Obviously it's prone to a lot of abuse and becomes a matter of trust regarding the program. If one of the IPSP's can ever come up with NATS like tools and 3rd party accountability in the stats it will be a great product.

But NATS should be a great tool in the right hands. I think you are right in that NATS is complex and a lot of programs that migrate to it don't have the ability to use it correctly and sales suffer.

Note that I said a handful of programs did that. I also said that my biggest checks come from programs using NATS. Any lost sales from those handful of sites is on that site owners end for whatever reasons. :) NATS itself is a great backend. And I wasn't saying the stats were "pretty"

I meant that as an affiliate of a few hundred different programs I need to be able to move quickly. My time is my money. And if I'm gonna grab ad tools I need it to be quick and efficient. And the NATS interface is.

as an affiliate, i love nats. the layout is the same for most every sponsor out there. so i can login and get to my tools/stats quickly and efficiently. no feeling my way around to find what i'm there for. thats my biggest complaint with MPA, no standardizations like that, its seems each installation is customized which makes it difficult to navigate.

I'll make guesstimation that you'll find that 90% of affiliates out there either like NATS or CCBill. Since NATS allows you to set it up so people can just CCBill alone (i.e. payments via ccbill directly), then using NATS is likely the way in which you can make the most affiliates happy. Of course, as they say, you can can make some people happy some of the time, but never make everyone happy all of the time.

i wonder if this has anything to do with the 1st join page asking for email ect.. on an unsecure page.. ( very very few secure that page )

my first 50 :winkwink:

I like it a lot.