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12-06-2008, 09:05 AM

whats interesting is that this material is illegal to POSSESS of course that would imply that it would be illegal to produce as well which seems to be the dilemma here.

In the US it is legal to possess anything except CP so theres an implied right to produce. This is a popular defense these days and its what got Extreme Associates case dismissed originally (charges were re-instated after an en banc hearing) But the judge who wrote the original decision is still presiding if it ever comes to trial.

I think what the UK is doing is a pretty good attempt but I dont really like the idea of obscenity as a whole. Lets take Max for instance I'd say if you think he should be in jail convict him for assault and battery, sexual battery and a host of other crimes that might be applicable. Toss the obscenity angle its just a smoke screen anyway.

Course this is all why I vote Libertarian.

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12-06-2008, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by mikesouth

whats interesting is that this material is illegal to POSSESS of course that would imply that it would be illegal to produce as well which seems to be the dilemma here.

The point of this is to ban possesion of material that its illegal to produce. They stated that in the advice.

The problem was, it may be illegal to produce scat (for example) in the UK, but not in other countries. But people in the UK could legally posses it.

This law ONLY covers material which is also covered under the Obscene Publications Act. They are very clear about that in the advice linked to in the first post.

I was very worried about this until I read it properly.

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12-06-2008, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Porno Dan

I am more and more for a US goverment review board that approves all online, dvd, mobile, and broadcast adult material.

At least one would know what is acceptable and there wouldn't be there a legal gray area where one can be prosecuted for something that is obscene by "community standards".

If the adult industry is ever going to truly socially acceptable that would be one huge step.

Well as far as it might sound like a way to prevent obscenity law cases, it's a pain as far as it brings notable costs and processing, I've experienced that with UK and Canada.

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12-06-2008, 01:21 PM

its going to be a pain i think.

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12-06-2008, 02:59 PM

The clear examples are a pretty welcome development. Most of obscenity standards are quite vague and open to interpretation depending on how the political winds blow.

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12-06-2008, 06:43 PM

Seems not that bad

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12-07-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Porno Dan

I am more and more for a US goverment review board that approves all online, dvd, mobile, and broadcast adult material.

At least one would know what is acceptable and there wouldn't be there a legal gray area where one can be prosecuted for something that is obscene by "community standards".

If the adult industry is ever going to truly socially acceptable that would be one huge step.

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What incentive is there for politicians to enact that? NONE.

Porn has few friends in politics.

There is a huge incentive they can tax and regulate our industry.

Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Well as far as it might sound like a way to prevent obscenity law cases, it's a pain as far as it brings notable costs and processing, I've experienced that with UK and Canada.

I am all for this if it ends obscenity prosections

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12-07-2008, 08:46 PM

Fuck all regulations on adult material. If its fucked its fucked, we dont need anyone to tell us.

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12-08-2008, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by kandah

Fuck all regulations on adult material. If its fucked its fucked, we dont need anyone to tell us.

I am glad you feel that way.

We as an adult industry in the US have to regulate ourselves or else there will be more prosecutions.

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12-09-2008, 03:25 AM

If we have to have this at all at least they are attempting to define. If was far too open for people to stumble into a grey area. I was actually fairly happy with the 'plain English' approach to the document and particularly in the attempt in it to clarify, as best as possible 'serious injury' and 'life-threatening'.
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12-09-2008, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by Sarah_MaxCash

If we have to have this at all at least they are attempting to define. If was far too open for people to stumble into a grey area. I was actually fairly happy with the 'plain English' approach to the document and particularly in the attempt in it to clarify, as best as possible 'serious injury' and 'life-threatening'.

What is "serious injury"? would double anal be an act that could be considered to cause "serious injury to the anus"? I've enver gotten why some sexual acts that are LEGAL between 2( or more ) adults can not be filmed.
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12-09-2008, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by GatorB

What is "serious injury"? would double anal be an act that could be considered to cause "serious injury to the anus"? I've enver gotten why some sexual acts that are LEGAL between 2( or more ) adults can not be filmed.

Dont forget that for this to apply, the material has to be obscene in the first place. If you take "serious injury" and ignore the rest, its scary legislation. If you know that the material has to obscene before this law even kicks in, it should be obvious that this doesnt apply to anyone here. If it does, then they need to get out of the biz they are in because no one in the UK should be producing obscene content. Thats a one way ticket to jail.

Everyone who panicks about this is totally ignoring this part of it. This is ONLY to catch users who willfully posses obscene and exteme porn, that would be illgeal to produce in the UK. Nothing else.

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12-09-2008, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by GatorB

What is "serious injury"? would double anal be an act that could be considered to cause "serious injury to the anus"? I've enver gotten why some sexual acts that are LEGAL between 2( or more ) adults can not be filmed.

Later down in the document it attempts to define serious injury and uses the example of sharp implements (ie knives) being inserted.

Don't get me wrong, I have never been a fan of this move (which was brought about by the family of a woman who was killed during consensual sexual strangling going mad that the guy got the idea from violent porn). However, if we have to have it I am glad they are attempting to define the terms at last.

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12-09-2008, 05:34 AM

Originally posted by marcjacob

Dont forget that for this to apply, the material has to be obscene in the first place. If you take "serious injury" and ignore the rest, its scary legislation. If you know that the material has to obscene before this law even kicks in, it should be obvious that this doesnt apply to anyone here. If it does, then they need to get out of the biz they are in because no one in the UK should be producing obscene content. Thats a one way ticket to jail.

Everyone who panicks about this is totally ignoring this part of it. This is ONLY to catch users who willfully posses obscene and exteme porn, that would be illgeal to produce in the UK. Nothing else.

I also liked the clear language used in the bit about accidental viewing and deletion. They are trying to make this which is something that if they decide to go after somebody there is no wishy washy-ness about it. Also, the bit about not being able to take one picture out of context in a whole body of work.
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12-09-2008, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by marcjacob

Dont forget that for this to apply, the material has to be obscene in the first place. If you take "serious injury" and ignore the rest, its scary legislation.

There are many that would consider double anal to be obscene.

Obscenity is BS law. If it's legal to perform such acts in private it should be legal to film it. it's illegal to screw kids so making CP illegal makes perfect sense. It's illegal to fuck your dog so making filming you fucking a dog illegal makes sense.

I mean seriously, a guy can fist his wife but if he films it it's illegal. ok. Does this make any kind of sense? The governments in both the US and the UK need to quit worying about what people do in their bedroom and what they may be jacking off to. The UK doesn't care of some dude is spending all his family's money on online poker( because it's prefectly legal in the uk ) but worries if some other dude is jacking off to a porno where some chick is getting 3 fists in her cunt.
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