Amateur Paysites / Producers - Do you recognize your content? (CCBill)

damn don't you know this is user submitted content!

This guy runs several paysites selling subscriptions using stolen content, including ours.

He is processing through CCBill. I have sent DMCA notices, but CCBill will not revoke processing until an undisclosed number of complaints are made.

Here are some of his sites:

http://www.downloadamateurvideos.com

http://www.momsandwives.com

http://www.amateurvideosource.com

http://www.rareamateur.com

If you recognize your content, instructions for filing a report are at http://ccbill.com/cs/dmca.htm

I think CCBill needs to consider this issue very seriously. This kind of thing hurts all of us.

Dude, 99% of these sites processing through CCBill and JEttis are all stolen shit, and the billers don't give a fuck, and at the same time I have to jump through hoops to prove to visa and the banks and the gateways that my shit is legit with docs.

Makes me think CCBill is behind these sites and just making them themselves...

step 1. Scrape newsgroups.
step 2. scrape FHG's
step 3. Scrape NewbieNudes, Redcloud, and watchersweb,
step 4. crop out watermarks.
step 5. process through CCBill and Jettis.

Shit at least CCBill has a working DMCA notice email address, Jettis's just gets bounced back.

I wouldn't go so far as to say CCBill is behind the sites that they process for using stolen content. But I guarantee that they save themselves a lot of time and headaches and effectively are able to ignore 90% of the legitimate complaints that they would otherwise be bombarded with by having this policy of needing multiple complaints about any given sites using stolen content before they will even address it. In other words it is just too much work to police this effectively and they just don't want to be bothered so they make it so difficult for your complaint to be addressed that most people whose work is being stolen just give up in frustration without ever getting a remedy.

Bump. Someone has reported there's also FTV and PrivateAmateur content on there.

step 3. Scrape NewbieNudes, Redcloud, and watchersweb, .

This guy runs several paysites selling subscriptions using stolen content, including ours.

He is processing through CCBill. I have sent DMCA notices, but CCBill will not revoke processing until an undisclosed number of complaints are made.

Here are some of his sites:

http://www.downloadamateurvideos.com

http://www.momsandwives.com

http://www.amateurvideosource.com

http://www.rareamateur.com

If you recognize your content, instructions for filing a report are at http://ccbill.com/cs/dmca.htm

Does ccbill even come to GFY?

Ripshit, I assure you that we take the issue with clients using unlicensed content very seriously. You will not find any clients that are still processing with us that we have received multiple dmca notices on. In many cases, it is difficult to tell what sites have unlicensed content, and we are not in a position to shut the billing mechanism down of one of our clients if we ?suspect? that they are using unlicensed content.

In any case, I understand this is hot topic and rightfully so. If/when we receive dmca notices that indicate one of our clients is using content they do not have a right to use, that client will not be processing with us any longer. Now I understand that the immediate response to my post by some will be ?well, you guys should just know when a site is using other peoples content and not accept it.? but the reality is that the staff in CCBill policy review do not have a way of knowing for certain whether a site is using content that they are not allowed to use and by law we have to abide by the DMCA

It is very simple process to send us DMCA notices, you don?t need an attorney and it only takes a few moments (see below) and if/when contacted, we will hold your hand through this very quick process. ([email protected], icq 45471840).

If your content is on somebody elses site without your permission, we want to know about it as much as you do


As an ISP, CCBill follows the procedures prescribed by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) for notification, takedown, and counter-notification. If you believe that a CCBill client has something on a website that constitutes infringement of your copyrights, or if any of your other intellectual property rights have been violated, please provide the following information to CCBill's Registered DMCA Agent:
1. Your electronic or physical signature.
2. A description of the copyrighted work and where the original work is located.
3. A description of where the infringement is located.
4. Your address, telephone number, and email address.
5. A statement by you that you have a good faith belief that the use of the work is not authorized by the copyright owner, agent, or the law.
6. A statement by you, that under penalty of perjury, that the above information is accurate and that you are the copyright owner or authorized to act on the owner's behalf.
Please send all legal notices to:
http://businesscenter.ccbill.com/htm...copyright.html

Let me see if I can clearly explain why a company like CCBill cannot act until they are notified.

The DMCA provides service providers a safe harbor from liability IF they act expeditiously when notified of infringement (A DMCA letter).

Failure to act when properly notifed exposes a company like CCBill to the same liability as the direct infringer.

Now, here is the problem:

CCBill processes for tens of thousands of sites, some of which I am certain deal in stolen content.

If CCBill were to cease processing on sites that they THINK, or BELIEVE are dealing in stolen content WITHOUT being notified by the rights holder, they would then assume the liability for ALL sites that they process for.

So in otherwords, site A, B, and C are all dealing in stolen content. CCBill, acting on a hunch, or a belief, cancels processing for sites A and B (without ever receiving a DMCA notice from the rights holder of the content).

They miss site C, also dealing in stolen content, and continue processing.

They have now assumed the liability for the infringing activity of site C.

The argument would be made, hey..you nixed A and B, but you continued to process for C. You believed that A and B were dealing in stolen content, well you should have believed site C was also.

Pay up.

That is why the DMCA notice was provided for in the DMCA. That is why companies like CCBill, eBay, etc CANNOT act in advance without proper notification, but MUST and do act upon proper notification.

It is all about liability.

Hope that clears things up.

I signed up to SeeMyGF.com a few days ago looking for content stolen from me. Thankfully, I didn't see any but if anyone wants the login to look for theirs, let me know.

Another way to combat these fuckstains would be for GFY, the undisputable #1 adult webmaster forum on earth, to not allow any banners, sigs or nicks that in any way promote a site with stolen content.

I would like to think that would at least put a dent in the fuckstain's income stream.

And while I'm disappointed that CCBill does so little to support the legitimate webmasters from whom they make money, wouldn't it be easier to DMCA the site's host? Or even easier to just hire removeyourcontent and let them do it?

I really don't understand how CCBill can have such a stupid policy when they are sometimes providing processing for thieves and scammers. Any single legitimate complaint from a copyright holder who can provide some reasonable form of proof should be met with an immediate action to close the offender down. Why should there have to be multiple complaints from an undisclosed number of sources?

That's pretty fucked up. Must be hard to produce this type of amateur content if fuck heads like this guy just copy it to their own sites then profit from it. Then of couse the other "submitted" sites take videos from him and use them for their sites. Hence the producer or owner of the content gets shit while the theifs get bucket loads in memberships.

The laws need to change to protect this industry.