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I think I need to know what you were really shooting them for and what caliber of model before I can assess your situation.
It might be that, if you are keeping the real usage of the work a secret, the models sense something shady and are jacking up the rates.
It might be that you are calling them "dumb whores" and getting a rude guy surcharge.
Or it might be that you are aiming to high for casting the type of project you are working on.
I assumed when you said percentage that you meant Zivity, but the G/G and B/G implies something else.Comment
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I do have another question. Why is it asking too much to pay the models 1K for a scene that will make you tens of thousands of dollars ?!?! I mean, I really think that is a very fair rate considering she is the one in the content and doing the main "selling" if you wil
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i used to argue to the models that it would be better for them to make 500 than to make nothing but i have learned to understand how they work..
if they dont need the money immediately, most of the models would rather lay in bed all day than make less than their "rate".
i am a little the same way, if i cant make decent money on a shoot, i'd rather go golfing that day and wait for a better opportunity to come along.
i do think the agents largely are to blame for the possible exuberant rates paid to "talent" in southern california. but it all comes down to supply and demand."Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author UnknownComment
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He's probably a shitty photographer, otherwise he could find lots of decent, semi-experienced and serious models who would DO tfp and he doesn't want to admit that he needs pros to make his crap pics look halfway marketable. Nervous newbies rarely know how to pose, look natural, seductive, etc. especially if the cameraman is a talentless asshole who can't shoot or direct or appreciate what good models have to offer.Comment
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I had a model turn down $1,200 same day cash for a boy girl scene for one of shoots yesterday.Reality TV Star, AVN Hall of Fame, Five-Time XBIZ Winner
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Well as we say out here... "there are two rules about shooting in jersey & new york. 1. this aint LA. & 2. This aint LA."
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Ok, so you want to pay girls peanuts and make thousands from it? Does it seem correct? They are the ones being "used"/have to deal with the reputation. It's a tougher life than you think and they deserve every penny they ask. If it's too much for you, don't whine, find someone who is willing to do something for the price you want. I respect the girls in this industry for what they are doing and they are definitely not overpaid...
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Sounds that you don't really respect the women you work with in this industry, so why the fuck are you doing it? You know how hard it is to tell your parents and friends what you do for a living? And what they treat you like after that? People recognizing you on the street? Think about it. Without them we wouldn't even have a product.
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If girls are creeped out by the photographer they will quote much higher rates too. I saw this all the time when we were shooting content, and most of the time because I was a female photog and made the girls comfortable, they would do more for less and be happy with it because they were treated respectfully and well.Comment
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I totally agree here!
Just about every producer I know is money hungry and stingy. Instead of making a "decent" wage and paying their models a decent wage, they want to keep all of the money to themselves by cutting corners and paying the talent peanuts.
I had a producer friend of mine call me a while back bragging about how much he got paid for a shoot and how many corners he had cut and how much money he was going to profit from the shoot because of it. It's totally ridiculous to have this mind set. Incidentally, the client thought the content was crap and never hired the guy again. Had he been not so stingy, cut less corners and taken a decent profit instead of trying to take it all....he could have had a long term relationship with the client that produced lots of business.
I have lots of respect for girls who work in this industry. They are not all perfect but I think they deserve good pay for what they do especially if the producer is making bank off of them.Comment
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No union no strike....but thats called collusion and it is illegal and actionable. The producers cannot get together and set talent rates. There are also Sherman and Clayton Anti-Trust Acts implications to even making that statement on a public message board.The market does NOT dictate the prices, the producers and companies paying talent do. If everyone said, ya know what, we are gonna pay $200 for solo, $400 for toys etc...what do you think the talent would do? They obviously cant strike, there is no union.Comment
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filming the content is the easy part... girls are way over paid in LA.. I am yet to fuck a girl thats worth a grand.. and ive fucked tons of girls...
selling the product is harder than filming it...
if they don't want what we offer for a scene then wendys is always hiring.. they can find their own cab ride home.. I just throw em out.. the min they start with the whole.. well im worth this blah bullshit... maybe if you other producers grew some fucking balls and just told the bitch no.. what it comes down to is most of you are still doing this to get laid most of all... so you want pussy you pay for it... it's sad really cause these girls are already mentally unstable as it is so when you feed their heads that they are worth 4 figures they think they are worth 4 figures... they are not..Comment
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Bingo! I don?t ask for rates, I contact the girl and tell her what it pays. I?ve never been turned down for a shoot. We work out a convenient schedule and make the shoot happen.This is ridiculous and something I have been hearing producers complain about since precious few even knew what an "internet" was. Pay the models what you want to pay them and stop blaming others for paying more. This is still America and freedom to run your business the way you want is a sacred right of living in a capitalist society.
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so you can pay your models more.
I had one girl whose boy/girl rate was $7,000.00. Rather than turning down the shoot, she told me that she would do the scene for free if her boyfriend could be the male talent. Her rationale was that she did not want anyone to know that she worked for less than her rate. She did sign a model release showing compensation of $7,000.00.
Given the current state of the economy, rates have fallen considerably in porn valley.The Only Time When Success Comes Before Work Is In A Dictionary.
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Your posting says it all. You were wanting to shoot with well known models. They worked hard to get their images and name out there. They earned the right to charge more money than a model that is fairly unknown. In any profession you get paid well when you have a good resume. The same thing goes for modeling. If you do not like the rates, then you just hire another model.
I have seen photographers who charge a a lot of money as well. Look at Dean Capture. I bet he is not cheap, but his images are well worth the money. You know when you hire him you are getting a pro. The same goes for models. You can hire a pro that can deliver, or you can hire a cheaper model that may suck. You get what you pay for. Plus calling models dumb whores is pretty stupid on your part. Those dumb whores are what people pay to see.
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I didn't read any replies to this thread but you sound stupid. These girls don't have work lined up 40 fucking hours a week at any rate like the $9 an hour regular job shit your talking about.
Also, the average college girl wouldn't even think about doing any porn type anything unless you're talking about paying them ridiculous amounts of money. Like 10k-100k+ and then 99% of them still wouldn't do it because of moral values.icq 156131086Comment
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100% on the money!!!
Even the most smokin' hotties will usually be in my studio fuckin' for rates she refused to work for 2 months earlier.
There is only so much work for a girl and once they've shot for everyone around here they usually drop their rates.
That said:
Agents have changed this on us here in florida recently by sending the girls to LA once they are done here.
Once they've been to LA they will not shoot for Florida rates 'cause they are spoiled by LA rates and want more$$$ (can't shoot 'em I'm on a budget too) or the girls come back from LA all fucked up, with the clap and they've been so abused you couldn't pay them $10,000.00 for fuck on film. Their pussy/anus is broken and they are outta the biz forever!!!!! Either way I lost the shoot.email: zmaster (at) earthlink.net
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I shoot many girls who have college degrees, hell I shot 3 ministers daughters in one week. (awesome freaky little sluts to the last!!!!) I shoot average girls every day and they suck dick with above average skills usually just for the camera.
I shoot some housewives that are filthy stinking rich and they drive up in $100,000.00 cars with gold and diamonds dripping off of them, and sometimes their rich ass husbands like to watch them getting fucked in the ass buy my big cock male talent.
And as far as moral values goes does doing it in private and not on film, actually change the entire morality of an immorral act? Because it's not published.
I'm just sayin'!!!email: zmaster (at) earthlink.net
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i charge $500 for a girl to touch my penisComment
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Regardless of all your points you have no content without the models. If you don't want to pay what they want then that's that. No need to bitch about it.Comment
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