Canucks - we're fucked...a call to action

I'm appauled that if the opposition can sign a coalition government, it can topple the existing government. What the hell did we all go vote for, and yet again just 2 years ago. I'm tired of voting, PC won, let them stay in office.
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Bloody bullshit.Canadian politics are a complete farse.I thought we already made it clear who we wanted as Prime minister ,just seems like it's a big joke

isn't the big problem there that you have an entire province that is not interested in anything the rest of the country does, but will only vote for the regional party that promises them the most?

for some reason this thread made me giggle and think of terrence and Phillip farting into the phone calling these numbers (613) 993-8200 (Office of the Governor General)

or toll-free in Canada/U.S. 1 (800) 465-6890

it might something to do with USA officialy declaring Recession instead of what is going on in Quebec

Even though I don't like Harper or the Conservatives at all I don't think this was the best move to make at this time.

I tend to think its a combination of both.

Saying that Harper planned to eliminate opposition party funding was simply an excuse the Liberals are using to instigate the overthrow.

No doubt Duceppe's involvement is with the promise his province will get disproportionate boatloads of funding from the coalition gov't.

dumping the conservatives would be awesome, kind of like an early xmas present..

And dumping Liberal supporters on a raft and setting it adrift in the St. Lawrence would be kind of like cleansing the intellectual gene pool in Canada.

what is unconstitutional about what is happening?
Harper called an election... he failed to gain a majority....no other party agrees with his agenda...so he is screwed

Please, if Harper had a majority you would not be a fan of his.

Gonna be interesting... As much as this type of thing can be... vexing... I'm fucking thankfull we have the ability TO "overthrow" idiots when needed unlike our neighbors to the south.

Whatever man. It not a crisis. I rather give the 3 opposition party a try than wasting another 300million dollars on an election just a few weeks ago. It would be a lot better to use that kind of money to stimulate the economy than using the money to end up with another fucking minority government.

Beside, looks at the US and other countries, they are in a crisis, and it ain't that bad in Canada compare to the rest.

Harper is such an idiot, he doesn't understand what the word minority in minority government means.

This is a great moment for democracy in Canada. The elected representatives of the people reaching a consensus and replacing a party that obviously was incapable of doing the same.

Harper brought this on himself behaving as though he had a majority when he didn't. Live and learn.

RIGHT ON .................

I just pray they will kill the Income Trust tax that has decimated that part of my portfolio.

Do we need to bring our guns and help our northern brothers get their government back?

hey, you made a rhyme.

Pourquoi?

harper is an idiot. i find it funny how he fucked it up.

I feel that somehow democracy has failed. We just voted a platform/party into power because the other platforms were not what we wanted.

Now, before this party has a chance to do anything a coalition of all the other parties are going to revoke their right to govern with the platform we just voted in. Instead we now face the reality of being governed by a platform that no one voted on. Even Mr. Dion does not seem to know what it is. Oh and didn't Mr. Dion say he'd never form a coalition government just recently? heh...

What's more disconcerting is that Mr. Duiceppe is the man with the balance of power now. While I feel he is a very intelligent man with some decent economic reasoning (at least, much better then Mr. Layton), his party stands for breaking up Canada into 3 little bits and this country does not want to be broken up. So now, this coalition is putting an enormous amount of power into his hands as he is the swing vote. I only wonder what concessions Mr. Dion gave him (wasn't Dion a separatist in the late 70's?)...

And Layton well. I personally believe he has sacrificed much to get this little bit of power. He has backtracked on several key issues and I wonder if his voters are going to be happy about this. I think no.

I'm afraid of how far these men will plunge our country into debt in the wake of this mess. A deficit one year quickly grows to a deficit next year and it suddenly becomes a repeating cycle...

I am not a fan of conservative ideals. They are too much resemble what has been going on in the states the past 8 years. Lets not forget the last time the conservatives were in charge with Malroney..big deficit....then the Liberals...surplus...now the conservatives again, and while i would say they didn't do a terrible job (although I'm sure it would have been a very different story if they had a majority and could carry on their right wing agenda) we are facing a deficit again. While this time is understandable, the only reason the conservatives are in charge is due to the Liberal scandal, Dion and his carbon tax. Canadians for the most part hold Liberal ideals more so than conservative ones.

Harper called an election - he was voted in - the other parties that WEREN'T voted in are collaborating with an agenda that doesn't represent the voters who put Harper into office.

A separatist, for chrissake...will be holding the balance of power. A jackass who's sole purpose is to split this country apart. And the official opposition is joining with this clown in order to overthrow the government and potentially lead this country down the path of breakup.

Do you really think this is what our founding forefathers had in mind when they drafted the constitution?

I'm guessing not.

The funny yet sad thing is that if it does fall to another election, Harper will get his majority because Canadian citizens will shy away from the liberals/ndp/bloc even more than they did last October just because of all this power hungry crap they're pulling.

And that'll suck.... but it would be a proper slap in the face for them.

Oops.. seems like Canadian's forgot what the consequences of a minority government was..

Now... anyone taking odds on the next government being a landsliding majority?

Oh sure, I agree. I'm a liberal at heart I think. But I voted conservative this election because I thought the liberal platform was broken and the leader wrong.

That said I really doubt any government with a majority would really go hard against their election platform as they'd risk losing a lot of votes in the next go round.

a separatist MP is still an MP...they were voted in by citizens of Canada...
just because you dont like the separatists doesnt mean that they dont exist in our parliament..
Harper received less than a majority of votes...he needs a political ally and he doesnt have one..the other 3 parties are well within their constitutional rights to form an alliance and ask the Governor General to allow them to form a government...
this is excellent political drama....and it really shows the difference between our system and the USA system

For the record.. Harper won a minority government.. But he only got 46.4% of the seats and only 37.6% of the popular vote.. So no, his agenda does NOT represent the majority of Canadians, nor do the majority of Canadians want the Convervatives in power. Those are the facts.

"Canada would never agree to the Amero."


The fall has to start somewhere. It's all planned guys.

By the way.. What's the conervative spin on this???

lol I thought this was gonna be a thread about the Canucks goal tending! I skimmed by the earlier posts and it seems most have a real problem with this. A parliament is based on confidence. Harper acted like a noob by being a bully. I mean cmon it took 1 minute into the new parliament for him to screw his opponents and expected them not to do anything about it. This upheaval has nothing to do with the stimulus package and it's 100% about the opposition parties who are almost broke having their public funds eliminated.

The ONLY thing what would have caused a coalition is from exactly what he did. Don Newman interviewed Jim Flaherty days ago before all this and his first impression was that what the Conservatives were doing could possibly cause a coalition among the opposition but seemingly not a single strategist among the Conservatives could think of that. They've displayed the same kind of arrogance I came to hate about the Liberals...

I suppose the Conservatives all of a sudden have such a huge problem with political parties accepting what they call "entitlements" when they themselves had zero problem accepting them for their entire history and up until and including the last election.

Oh almost forgot, I suppose one thing that would come from all of this is that there would finally be a government that's representing 60% of Canadians rather than weak majorities or minorities only getting 35-37% of the vote over the past 2 decades but pretending they have the confidence of the people.

[QUOTE=Tempest;15135563]For the record.. Harper won a minority government.. But he only got 46.4% of the seats and only 37.6% of the popular vote.. So no, his agenda does NOT represent the majority of Canadians, nor do the majority of Canadi

Deal with your corrupt Government first.

A week ago, I'd have agreed with this 100%
Today, I think he's a fuckin genius.

Look, he tried to get a majority 2 months ago, and failed .. although REAL close.. There's no way for him to CALL another election, so he's forcing one by his actions

So what's he do, he goes back to parliment and raises an issue of cutting the funding to the parties, which really is a dollar amount that is so small compared to anything else he could have cut that cutting it is virtually useless,it was bait.
He did it PURELY to get the coalition that was being formed behind closed doors out into the public.. Once they brought the coalition to the house, he said he wouldn't cut it and they went forward anyway, in nothing but the pursuit of power.

The whole thing was very well played out, he's one smart dude.
And I can't even believe I'm saying this, for years looking at Harper brought vomit up in my mouth.

The other parties were plotting and planning behind the house's back to take over government since the MOMENT the election was over, all while lying to the government and people saying they'd support his government in their efforts to run the country.

Now, the Canadian people are in a fucking UPROAR! do you really think the GG is gonna allow this to go through with the upset that's going on? no.. there will be rioting in the streets!
The only people I have heard that think it's a good idea are the fringe party supporters and the quebecers.

The NDP and Liberals look like morons right now, supporting the BLOC, and doing anything ( even if it means handing over vito power and government to a bunch of people that want to seperate the country, and a party that has NO business in the rest of Canada )

Also look at the fact, that the BLOC will now have full access to any plans that are set in place for their seperation, and all sorts of information they should NOT have access to.

If the GG hands over the government to a SEPERATIST INFLUENCED COALITION, while the people of Canada are clearly flipping the fuck out, it'd be an act of treason.

They're gonna call an election, and now that everyone is so mad about it, and the fact that it's including the block, a seperatist party, the people will come out in MASS NUMBERS to vote..

Harper himself may step down, but if there is a vote, the conservatives WILL get a majority government, guaranteed.

He'll go down in history as one of the smartest politicians in Canada's history.
He sacrificed his position for the party to get into majority, something that hasn't happened since the 60's I believe.

Mark my word, coalition will NOT be accepted, he's might step down as prime minister and he'll get an election IMO, and the conservatives will get a majority

I've been watching this like crazy, it's the most interesting and intriguing thing that's ever gone on in Canadian politics.

The last election had record low voter turn out, with the Obama head rush going on in the states, noone was paying attention, I guarantee, if this comes to elections, Canada will have a RECORD turnout!

Na I don't think so though he can stumble his way into a majority if he plays his cards right. Harper's retarded comments on how arts spending isn't something that the average Canadian wants lost him I bet 10 seats in Quebec just days before the election. That lost the majority, idiot move #1.

His attempt at bullying the opposition with his very first act in a supposedly conciliatory parliament was idiot move #2 imho. BUT if he plays the statesman card and cedes government to the opposition he'll be able to bring it down at his choosing when - WHEN - they fuck it all up with infighting. At that point he'll have more than enough support to form a majority and leave all the opposition parties in shambles.

But... this is Stephen Harper and I'm afraid his ego is more important so to go back to idiot move #2 and in fact it will end up be an idiot move when his party cans his dumb ass because he won't leave government any way other than kicking and screaming.

That's my 3:37 AM prognostication

i think you're over analyzing it. harper just tried to run a minority gov like a majority and now it's being corrected.

while this is a unique situation in canada, there is no need to panic, as coalitions governments are common in other democracies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaliti...ents_worldwide

Our votes now count for nothing.
And those who know better then the people are about to steal our Country.
The time to act is now Email everyone Liberal, Conservative and of course the GG.
This bunch of clowns who only wish to take power to achieve their own political goals must be stopped.
There is no point voicing your opinion to the NDP thery already now better then the rest of us.

it's too much information to process

Anyway people, don't freak out. This isn't the end to Canada as we know it. Coalition or not it will work it's self out and we'll all be back to talking about how much the Leafs suck soon enough lol

what, do they really think they can survive as an independent nation? (I mean, the people from Quebec)

pack your bags, we are moving to Cuba

great success !

so everyone here is fine with the ruling party of Canada moving to bankrupt the opposition?

We're all clear on the fact that the only true 'attack' on democracy here is cutting the public funding of OUR parties.

I hate to explain to everyone exactly what the fuck democracy is, but Harper got elected on a Minority government. There is no, 'THE WHOLE COUNTRY VOTED FOR HARPER, THIS IS UNDEMOCRATIC'. there is NONE of that. The rest of the country voted for people that decided to get together and STOP Harper from creating his own special dictatorship.

I hate to be the one that says it, but cutting party funding in the middle of a global recession is a power grab. end of story.

While reading the previous posts, North American Union and the Amero came to mind.
I hope I am wrong.

I don't think he honestly planned to at all, I think it was a plot to force the plan for a coup into the house floor... he knew it was going on, so brought up an issue that KNEW would bring it to light.

Once they did, he agreed to drop it

Seriously, check out how much tax money goes into that, the $$ amount is pennies in the actual budget haha .. so minute that it HAD to be just to start a shitstorm.

What Dion is doing isn't? This fuck nut who has already announced he is stepping down as liberal leader, wants to be PM for 5-6 months. Then he will be replaced by 'who knows who' for another two years. In the meantime he has managed to legitimize the Bloc in Ottawa and has them grinning from ear to ear . Handed the PQ some electoral life in the Quebec elections. Jack Layton gets the only hope his party has of ever getting a sniff at being in the federal government. Elizabeth May gets to join the Senate for life. All so Dion can be PM for 5-6 months and the Liberals who suffered their worst defeat in history get to regain power.


Harper played politics and got bitch slapped for it. He backed down and now its the oppositions turn to back the fuck down.

Correct. Like it or not, the move they're making to form a coalition government and usurp the tories is a provision within the constitution thus legal. Some are calling it a coup d'etat but I hope this is as close Canada ever comes to having one of those. Most coups I've read about have either started or ended with assassinations, many involved open warefare with much in the way of innocent bloodshed.

People thinking this is a coup don't know what one is.


The biggest reservations I have with this move is that I don't really place much confidence in the current liberal leader, and I don't much care for the idea of MPs with a separatist agenda moving from the opposition side to the side that's in the driver's seat.

Other than that I'm with you, it's incredible political drama unfolding before our eyes. I hazard a guess that we'll continue to see wounds like this opening and re-opening until we find a way to heal or deal with the separatist issue once and for all.