Thoughts: Publically Funded Daycare

[Barefootsies]

I was listening to marketplace weekend, on NPR, while doing my work this morning and they proposed this idea.

Basically they were saying that daycare for a kid is something like $15,000.00 a year. It is more than the hubby (in the example) tuition to the college he works at for the year. They obviously think it's ridiculous.

They had a second child, and made the decision it is cheaper for one of them to stay home, and make it one the one income. They obviously think this is unfair. Child care is higher or moving faster than inflation, and they made a comment about.... 'while they know it would mean higher taxes. They think that the government should provide it".

My thoughts... um...

[annaliese]

the french have free child care. you can even get a free nanny. sounds delightful.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by annaliese

the french have free child care. you can even get a free nanny. sounds delightful.

Yeah. They cited other countries who already have this arrangement.

[annaliese]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Yeah. They cited other countries who already have this arrangement.

some other countries care about the rearing, well-being and education of their citizens.. the US--- not so much.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by annaliese

some other countries care about the rearing, well-being and education of their citizens.. the US--- not so much.

The US education system (public) is about building a nation of unquestioning, conformist, worker bees who willing become slaves to their corporate masters. Goose stepping through Walmart with maxed out credit card in hand, and check n go around the corner.

If you want a good education here. You PAY FOR IT.

[roly]

they have free pre-school childcare in the uk, it's useful in cases where rather than paying lone parents social security, they can leave their child at nursery and go out to work. it's a good idea.

[SilentKnight]

Although our two daughters are now on the verge of leaving the nest and (hopefully) heading off to college - the wife and I went through the whole daycare era back in the day.

We paid for it ourselves for several years up until the oldest daughter was able to take babysitting responsibility for her younger sister.

Having been there/done that...should it be publically funded? Yes and no.

No in a long-term yearly context. Yes in a short-term 'special circumstances' stop-gap (sudden death of a spouse, brief unemployment, etc.). By short-term I'm thinking in terms of a month or two.

But I'm sick of seeing my tax dollars go to those who regard publically funded daycare as a lifestyle. Young teens who think its society's responsibility to foot the bill for their offspring.

[annaliese]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

The US education system (public) is about building a nation of unquestioning, conformist, worker bees who willing become slaves to their corporate masters. Goose stepping through Walmart with maxed out credit card in hand, and check n go around the corner.

If you want a good education here. You PAY FOR IT.

what job are these people getting when they can barely read? sad. sounds like a recipe for an eventual third world nation.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

No in a long-term yearly context. Yes in a short-term 'special circumstances' stop-gap (sudden death of a spouse, brief unemployment, etc.). By short-term I'm thinking in terms of a month or two.

But I'm sick of seeing my tax dollars go to those who regard publically funded daycare as a lifestyle. Young teens who think its society's responsibility to foot the bill for their offspring.

They already have this.

My sister was dating this nig some time ago. His sister was milking the system 6 ways from Sunday. She had the state cutting her a check for $1500.00 a month on her daycare for 6 kids. She was getting $1200.00 in food stamps, and had section 8 housing. She had no incentive to get a real job because she was getting over like a fat cat.

Sure, she would occasionally go pretend to get a job, and then get fired a few times a year. But she would keep milking the system.

That said, sweet justice was served when she moved to Illinois, and was there for a few years. She wanted to move back to MI, and get the same 'hook up' she had before, but because of the state's financial situation, she would not be getting the fat cat hook up again from the state, or city without a few years passing. Basically, she had to start the process all over again.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by annaliese

what job are these people getting when they can barely read? sad. sounds like a recipe for an eventual third world nation.

That is why this country invests MORE in warehousing criminals, crack heads, addicts, and the mentally ill in prisons than in education and schools.

You've gotta pay to play in this country.

[Jai]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Although our two daughters are now on the verge of leaving the nest and (hopefully) heading off to college - the wife and I went through the whole daycare era back in the day.

We paid for it ourselves for several years up until the oldest daughter was able to take babysitting responsibility for her younger sister.

Having been there/done that...should it be publically funded? Yes and no.

No in a long-term yearly context. Yes in a short-term 'special circumstances' stop-gap (sudden death of a spouse, brief unemployment, etc.). By short-term I'm thinking in terms of a month or two.

But I'm sick of seeing my tax dollars go to those who regard publically funded daycare as a lifestyle. Young teens who think its society's responsibility to foot the bill for their offspring.

totally agree, u got a group of ppl that live off these kind of benefits

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Jai

totally agree, u got a group of ppl that live off these kind of benefits

It's funny. When I worked for the phone company, then only people who knew the legal system or labor law better than union stewards (like I was) was the nigs.

They knew the doctors who would fill out your FMLA paperwork right. Who would give you whatever drugs you needed. If they thought the company was unfair, they knew which state and fed gov't acronyms to call. I mean, some of these workers could have been Johnny Cochran.

It was not just isolated to my company. My sister works in a factory, and the same shit goes on there. However, the union nigs tell her where she needs to go to get the docs filled out right, and what to say, and do. How to work the system for unemployment and other beni's.

Fucking crazy.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

It's funny. When I worked for the phone company, then only people who knew the legal system or labor law better than union stewards (like I was) was the nigs.

They knew the doctors who would fill out your FMLA paperwork right. Who would give you whatever drugs you needed. If they thought the company was unfair, they knew which state and fed gov't acronyms to call. I mean, some of these workers could have been Johnny Cochran.

It was not just isolated to my company. My sister works in a factory, and the same shit goes on there. However, the union nigs tell her where she needs to go to get the docs filled out right, and what to say, and do. How to work the system for unemployment and other beni's.

Fucking crazy.

In my experience over the years - its not exclusive to race. I've known white-trash peeps who play the system like a fiddle and know how to take advantage of every freakin' loophole in the program. I've seen some who knew exactly how to 'jump the queue' and get farther ahead in the system than others who filled out all the right forms and patiently waited their turn.

But this is digressing...

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

In my experience over the years - its not exclusive to race. I've known white-trash peeps who play the system like a fiddle and know how to take advantage of every freakin' loophole in the program. I've seen some who knew exactly how to 'jump the queue' and get farther ahead in the system than others who filled out all the right forms and patiently waited their turn.

But this is digressing...

Agreed. Filth is everywhere.

Maybe for me, it is my own experience in the work force, and my location.

Here, the more visible offenders would be the nigs, or minorities. However, I know statistically here, as well as through the nation, by pure census numbers alone, that there are more poor white in numbers than minorities.

[marketsmart]

i have no problem using tax dollars to pay for abortions and sterilizations...

lets stem the problem at its source...

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

i have no problem using tax dollars to pay for abortions and sterilizations...

lets stem the problem at its source...

No...

They want tax dollar provided daycare once they have fucked themselves into debt.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

The US education system (public) is about building a nation of unquestioning, conformist, worker bees who willing become slaves to their corporate masters. Goose stepping through Walmart with maxed out credit card in hand, and check n go around the corner.

If you want a good education here. You PAY FOR IT.

They are taught to be debt slaves. And college is part of that debt slavery.

" A government big enough to give you everything you want,is strong enough to take everything you have."

Thomas Jefferson

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

They are taught to be debt slaves. And college is part of that debt slavery.

" A government big enough to give you everything you want,is strong enough to take everything you have."

Thomas Jefferson

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

No...

They want tax dollar provided daycare once they have fucked themselves into debt.

well, in that case, lets bring back slave labor and compete with china for low cost labor..

[spacedog]

child care is fucking expensive.. I checked one out recently because I have a 2 1/2 yr old and we were considering placing her in childcare so she'd be able to play with other kids a few days a week since there's none in my neighborhood.. Fuckers wanted $300 for 12 hours per week.. Imagine if I inquired about 40hrs a week.. fuck.

So, now we're interviewing in home babysitters... so far haven't found one hot enough...er.. I mean qualified enough

[GetSCORECash]

I'm in favor of tax rebate/government funded day-care for parents that can prove.

1) that they are working
2) They are going to school, are in need of day-care to attend classes.

I don't think it should be free for everyone. We already have enough people takeing advantage fo the system as it is.

I have two examples.

1) My cousine who made the decision to send her children to day-care while she worked, even though at the end of the month after day-care, her take home pay was less then $150.00. She made the decision to keep working, while the girls were small, inorder to advance in her career and by the time the girls started public school, her yearly salary was 50K +.


2) My Sister, who is currently going to school, and has a small child, but needs to send her child to day-care three times a week. Once she get's out of school with a diploma, she can afford to easily pay for day-care.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by spacedog

So, now we're interviewing in home babysitters... so far haven't found one hot enough...er.. I mean qualified enough

[GetSCORECash]

Originally Posted by spacedog

child care is fucking expensive.. I checked one out recently because I have a 2 1/2 yr old and we were considering placing her in childcare so she'd be able to play with other kids a few days a week since there's none in my neighborhood.. Fuckers wanted $300 for 12 hours per week.. Imagine if I inquired about 40hrs a week.. fuck.

So, now we're interviewing in home babysitters... so far haven't found one hot enough...er.. I mean qualified enough

That's expensive. But I looked at getting into places that charge as little as $15 a day, and it's simply not worth it. I visited over 6 local day care centers near me, and I saw places with one person, and over 20 plus kids. I walked into one, and the kids just rushed me, like rescue me please.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

I walked into one, and the kids just rushed me, like rescue me please.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by spacedog

So, now we're interviewing in home babysitters... so far haven't found one hot enough...er.. I mean qualified enough

During the interview ask if they don't mind being followed around the house with a vidcam. And require they show up for work in a frenchmaid outfit.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

During the interview ask if they don't mind being followed around the house with a vidcam. And require they show up for work in a frenchmaid outfit.

and check to see if they have hot toes.

[selena]

It depends on the circumstances.

I used to be over the employment/education aspect of the Indiana's welfare-to-work program in my county.

I have zero problem with subsidizing daycare when the parent is either

(a) low income or welfare recipient attending school and producing proof of both attendance and grades

or

(b) coming off welfare to employment where not having the daycare subsidized means that they actually lose financially.

or

(c) a welfare/unemployed recipient who is actively seeking employment, with that effort documented.

Not to get into an argument about life choices, because obviously, the people I worked with hadn't made some of the best choices. Hell, I haven't made some of the best life choices.

But once those choices are made, if a person is trying to help their selves and better their lot, then I do believe in helping them.

I will add that a good 85% of the people I dealt with were female single parents, and a large percentage of them were not receiving child support.

I'm pretty conservative fiscally, but there is a reason to invest in people who are trying.

To me, it is the difference between a hand out and a helping hand up.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by selena

To me, it is the difference between a hand out and a helping hand up.

Teach a man to fish...

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

During the interview ask if they don't mind being followed around the house with a vidcam. And require they show up for work in a frenchmaid outfit.

I was thinking schoolgirl skirts , but not any colleges in my area where the girls wear them.


BTW, I was joking about a babysitter... I work at home so don't need it.. I just looked into daycare so my child can have kids to play with

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by spacedog

I work at home so don't need it.. I just looked into daycare so my child can have kids to play with

I feel you hoss. My niece doesn't have anyone to play with either. My sister tells me I need to have kids as I am already mid-thirties.

[MRock]

I am the daycare, lol

We have a 3 1/2 year old. We send her 1 day a week to a school for socialization ( $100/month ). Here in Florida they offer free pre-school starting at 4 years old. We have not decided whether to take them ( the state ) up on it ... there are rules and I am not one to like the gov in my biz ....

With that said ... and back to the original post, no, I don't think it should be free. Too many people would abuse it in my opinion

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I feel you hoss. My niece doesn't have anyone to play with either. My sister tells me I need to have kids as I am already mid-thirties.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Funny. Especially since Pfizer is about 2 miles away from my house if that.

[BlackCrayon]

There will always be abusers of any kind of system, be it public or private. The thing is, the people who use it because they are actually trying to further their education WHILE raising a couple of kids, often on their own, these people deserve such breaks, in my opinion. Society would be benefited for generations from those who use it to improve their living standards and move on when they can afford to do so.

[IllTestYourGirls]

If you start giving it away it will get more expensive just like "health care". Service will go down just like "health care" and the day cares will be over crowded just "health care". Socialism does not work.

[Snake Doctor]

Our entire system will collapse on itself if our birth rate doesn't increase, simple as that.

The baby boomers not only spent $10 Trillion they didn't have and passed the debt along to their children....they also didn't have enough children to replace themselves in the work force.

If we can give tax breaks for ALL of the mortgage interest to people with $5MM houses, then surely we can do something to help people with daycare.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Our entire system will collapse on itself if our birth rate doesn't increase, simple as that.

The baby boomers not only spent $10 Trillion they didn't have and passed the debt along to their children....they also didn't have enough children to replace themselves in the work force.

If we can give tax breaks for ALL of the mortgage interest to people with $5MM houses, then surely we can do something to help people with daycare.

Our system is collapsing because the New Deal did not work and a New New Deal will not make it better. Socialism does not work. Price fixing does not work.

[wyldblyss]

In Canada we have subsidized daycare for families that have a hard time paying for it. You have lower income families and single parent families using it. In my opinion, it is a good thing, esp for single parents, keeps them from sitting home and doing nothing.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Our system is collapsing because the New Deal did not work

[TheDoc]

We have two kids under 5. From pre-school to the nanny we spend about $25,000 a year in daycare services for our kids. If we did normal home daycare for both kids it would cost about $12,000 a year.

Both of us take out $5,000 a year, so $10k a year in pre-daycare tax deductions. You pre-pay but you don't pay tax on it and it lowers your tax bracket if you are close enough.

[IllTestYourGirls]

well the backbone of the ND was that a lot would pay for the debts and retirement of another. Anyone with a brain could have seen that system would not work. You would have to have each family having a shit load of kids to pay for such a system.

[PurrrsianPussyKat]

I had two kids. I stayed home to be a mom to them. I'm far from rich, but the fact is, my kids are smarter, healthier and better behaved than any of their friends. Having a parent in the home is way more important than having a big screen tv.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by PurrrsianPussyKat

I had two kids. I stayed home to be a mom to them. I'm far from rich, but the fact is, my kids are smarter, healthier and better behaved than any of their friends. Having a parent in the home is way more important than having a big screen tv.

[rowan]

In Australia being a child care worker is one of the lowest paid jobs you can do - about half the average annual wage - even though many of them have studied for years to earn diplomas.

People complain about the cost of child care, but you have to remember that "expensive" service is still shafting the people who provide it... they deserve better...

I know people at my childcare place that are paying a few dollars a day - the rest subsidised by the govt - while the rest of us "genuinely working" schmucks have to pay the full $60/day rate. Australia has a rebate which was recently increased from 30% to 50%, so you get back half the cash you've paid as a non means tested rebate each quarter. Tax payer funded, of course.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by PurrrsianPussyKat

I had two kids. I stayed home to be a mom to them. I'm far from rich, but the fact is, my kids are smarter, healthier and better behaved than any of their friends. Having a parent in the home is way more important than having a big screen tv.

Right on!

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by rowan

Tax payer funded, of course.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by PurrrsianPussyKat

I had two kids. I stayed home to be a mom to them. I'm far from rich, but the fact is, my kids are smarter, healthier and better behaved than any of their friends. Having a parent in the home is way more important than having a big screen tv.

Fact is, its just not fesible for about 80% of parents. It takes two incomes just to get by these days and the majority can not stay home and make porn sites for a living.

[Trixie]

Blah blah fucking blah. I'm sure most of you guys have had unsafe sex but because you have a dick and/or got lucky you never had to try to raise a kid yourself. If childcare were paid it would level the playing field for women AND for the kids who shouldn't be punished for adults' stupid mistakes. And before you start whining about child support this and wages garnished that because you're men, if everyone were entitled to free child care and we all paid into it then there'd be a lot less of that crap.

I don't know why some of you fuckers think that the hardest job in the world is one that should be done for free. Get with the first world program. And someone please kick BareFootsies in the head the next time he says "nig".

[BVF]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

My sister was dating this nig some time ago. His sister was milking the system 6 ways from Sunday.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

My sister works in a factory, and the same shit goes on there. However, the union nigs tell her where she needs to go to get the docs filled out right, and what to say, and do. How to work the system for unemployment and other beni's.

Looks like not only are you mad that nigs are rigging the system, but you're mad that your trailer dwelling factory working sister likes fucking nigs 6 ways from Sunday.

And as you would say...

[pigman]

Free here and works great.