Prostitution Illegal, Pornography Legal? - GoFuckYourself.com

becca · 11-08-2002, 01:40 PM

This comes out of ignorance and stupidity.. and the inability to figure it out on my own.

Why is prostitution illegal and pronography not?

people are having sex in either case. Whats the deal? Is it because there is a camera involved?

(So if I go hunt up a hooker and take a camera with me, is that legal?)

multisexsite · 11-08-2002, 01:43 PM

If you are paying her to be an actress, then yeah

It also depends on what state, and what city, etc. I've wondered that myself.

becca · 11-08-2002, 01:44 PM

I would bet if there were a clear cut answer, many men and women would be using that answer right now justso they could get a hooker without risking arrest.

Oh well.

Fletch XXX · 11-08-2002, 01:47 PM

because one you are selling fantasy/entertainment, and the other you are selling flesh/service.

For some reason there is a difference.

Much like the difference in reading an erotic rape story vs actually raping someone. The story is legal, the rape is not.

You really can't see the difference?

gothweb · 11-08-2002, 01:47 PM

First of all, not all pornography has people having sex. Also, even hardcore stuff isn't always people who wouldn't have sex anyhow. Sure, most of it is, just pointing out that there are a lot of kinds of porn out there. Why would pics of my girlfriend gobbling my knob be illegal, thinking along these lines? ;)

Still, I have wondered about the whole pay-for-sex angle. I think I can see why it doesn't apply, though. First of all, it is rarely the sexual partner who is paying the model, and the primary purpose in either case isn't generally sexual gratification. It's producing the images.

The main reason is a lot simpler, though. Freedom of speech. Pornography is a creative work-- occasionally even actual art, and certainly an act of communication and a created work. As such, it is protected by the First Ammendment, and related principles/laws.

Here's a question I think may be better... If a brothel provided a tape of the experience, and called themselves a studio, could they get outside of prostitution laws?

becca · 11-08-2002, 01:52 PM

I guess I just don't really understand. Sex is Sex.. they are both being paid for.

One is just to be used over and over on film or internet.

I get the "art" part of it more, but I guess I'm just too niave and stuck on old ways to really see the difference. If people really want sex that bad they are gonna get it.. legal or not. Oh well.

UnseenWorld · 11-08-2002, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb
First of all, not all pornography has people having sex. Also, even hardcore stuff isn't always people who wouldn't have sex anyhow. Sure, most of it is, just pointing out that there are a lot of kinds of porn out there. Why would pics of my girlfriend gobbling my knob be illegal, thinking along these lines? ;)

Still, I have wondered about the whole pay-for-sex angle. I think I can see why it doesn't apply, though. First of all, it is rarely the sexual partner who is paying the model, and the primary purpose in either case isn't generally sexual gratification. It's producing the images.

The main reason is a lot simpler, though. Freedom of speech. Pornography is a creative work-- occasionally even actual art, and certainly an act of communication and a created work. As such, it is protected by the First Ammendment, and related principles/laws.

Here's a question I think may be better... If a brothel provided a tape of the experience, and called themselves a studio, could they get outside of prostitution laws?

Also, one legal definition of prostitution is "people having sex for money for the pleasure of someone present." So, if I hire two girls to have sex while I masturbate, that is prostitution. If I hire them to have sex for the camera, it is not prostution. That should also explain why the brothels would still be engaging in prostitution as long as the person paying for the experience being taped is participating in it. Except, if he's creating the tape for resale (he'd better have a company in operation, though, and not just be "building up material"!). This is how the point-of-view guys get away with it.

I'm not an attorney, but this is the gist of what I understand from hearing people in the industry and various attorneys.

ChrisH · 11-08-2002, 02:18 PM

Adult movies and films are protected by free speach, and are not considered pandering, but it was in the 70's until it became protected speech. It is a form of art, expression.

Prostitution is considered a crime and therefore has no protection.

Dax · 11-08-2002, 02:29 PM

Becca here is the simple, quick and painless answer:

Prostitution - You are paying the girl to let you fuck her and get off.

Porn - One does not pay for the actual sex, BUT for the RIGHTS to use the video/pictures.

That is it... well in short!

SleazyDream · 11-08-2002, 02:31 PM

who said prostitution is illegial ? - it's TOTALLY legal in canada and in many other countries. - AND YES, it's even legal in many places in the USA...........

Fletch XXX · 11-08-2002, 02:32 PM

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becca · 11-08-2002, 02:32 PM

Dax: Works for me.

Thanks for the input, ya'll. Interesting conversation.

I won't understand why prostitution is illegal, but thats anohter can of worms.

They allow us to have sex.. or.. wait.

I'm wrong. In some states, some forms of sex are illegal. Orals illegal in a lot of states in the usa...

having oranges in your bathtub is illegal in a county in California, for example.

Stupid laws?

I think I'll just go back to drawin' nekkid chicks and leave it at that.

becca · 11-08-2002, 02:34 PM

Woaah, back this horse up...

prostitution is legal?!!

Since when? Holy hell! Where is the I'm shocked face icon?

Dayum. I really must not pay attention to the news.

Paul Markham · 11-08-2002, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Also, one legal definition of prostitution is "people having sex for money for the pleasure of someone present." So, if I hire two girls to have sex while I masturbate, that is prostitution. If I hire them to have sex for the camera, it is not prostution. That should also explain why the brothels would still be engaging in prostitution as long as the person paying for the experience being taped is participating in it. Except, if he's creating the tape for resale (he'd better have a company in operation, though, and not just be "building up material"!). This is how the point-of-view guys get away with it.

I'm not an attorney, but this is the gist of what I understand from hearing people in the industry and various attorneys.

So what if he's jerking off and he's shooting for a commercial. Not illegal just apprecaitive??:-)

Becca stop trying to figure ouut why the system is why it is, just try to figure out how you turn it to your advantage.

But heck am I'm glad I live in the land of the free, where prostitution and pornography are legal. Unless you have something like this in the US?? http://www.moulinrouge.cz/zlin/us/zlin-01a.htm

becca · 11-08-2002, 02:38 PM

So I'm from the backwater where I'm certain porn is or was at one time illegal. LOL!

Oh dear. What are the rules on prostitution in Montreal? Legal?

Hmm.. Now, were those *strippers* or *prostitutes* outside on st catherines street last weekend?

And damn, I wanna steal that pair of boots that one chick had. Nice set of leather knee highs.

ChrisH · 11-08-2002, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
who said prostitution is illegial ? - it's TOTALLY legal in canada and in many other countries. - AND YES, it's even legal in many places in the USA...........

It is only legal in one county in Nevada unless somethings changed recently.

I was talking about American law. I had no idea that it wa legal in Canada. Is it legal throughout Canada? Or are there local laws about it?

Vox · 11-08-2002, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by becca
So I'm from the backwater where I'm certain porn is or was at one time illegal. LOL!

Oh dear. What are the rules on prostitution in Montreal? Legal?

Hmm.. Now, were those *strippers* or *prostitutes* outside on st catherines street last weekend?

And damn, I wanna steal that pair of boots that one chick had. Nice set of leather knee highs.

Prostitution is legal in Montreal, what is illegal is solicitation. (To approach or accost someone with an offer of sexual services in return for payment.)

Go figure, can't really have one with out the other.

becca · 11-08-2002, 02:51 PM

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Prostitution is legal in Montreal, what is illegal is solicitation. (To approach or accost someone with an offer of sexual services in return for payment.)

Go figure, can't really have one with out the other.

Well doesn't that just seem bloody cheap? But then again, this place IS run by some very um.. colorful people.

Very strange people too. Last time I checked the government was completely falling apart.. at least thats what cjad. I got a decent laugh in the car before I turned back on Brooks N Dunn and sped down sherbrooke at 100km.

(Yeah, the scary chick in the neon is me. ;)

So, you can get paid for sex, but you can't openly say "Hire me, I'm a hooker?"

Interesting.

So Nevada has a place where prostitution is legal? Anyone know about Maryland?

Fletch XXX · 11-08-2002, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by becca

So Nevada has a place where prostitution is legal? Anyone know about Maryland?

How can you be from america and not know the only state to have legal prostitution?

becca · 11-08-2002, 02:55 PM

Easy, Fletch. I came from a backwater town in Maryland. EVERYTHING is politically correct.

And I've never needed a hooker so I've never bothered knowing the laws on hookers.

All I remember about prositution in law class is that 80 % of all women arrested are arrested on charges of prostitution. Selling AND buying.

But that was from a while ago.. so those stats probably aren't correct anymore.

Just because you live in a place doesn't mean you know all the rules.

EscortBiz · 11-08-2002, 02:56 PM

the funny hing is that the people who make things legal or illegal they almost all use prostitutes or even worse force interns into things

EscortBiz · 11-08-2002, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by becca
Easy, Fletch. I came from a backwater town in Maryland. EVERYTHING is politically correct.

And I've never needed a hooker so I've never bothered knowing the laws on hookers.

All I remember about prositution in law class is that 80 % of all women arrested are arrested on charges of prostitution. Selling AND buying.

But that was from a while ago.. so those stats probably aren't correct anymore.

Just because you live in a place doesn't mean you know all the rules.

whatever

becca · 11-08-2002, 02:59 PM

Well, right nwo I wouldn't mind hiring a prostitue. I wouldn't use him for sex, but as an escort downtown. One thing I hate is going downtown after dark.. especially to st. catherines by myself. Ugh. For some reason I attract males when I'm on st catherine streets.

It has to be the horse on the pants I wear. Or the black pants. It has to be the black pants.

Hmm. I'd make good money as a prostitue. I wouldn't *have* to solicitate. They'd just flock to me ;p

becca · 11-08-2002, 03:01 PM

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whatever

Whatever to what?

Oh well.

cherrylula · 11-08-2002, 03:04 PM

I think some debate on this subject came up once when Luke Ford was being sued by a porn star for writing about her being a prostitute.

I believe it came down to something like a porn star fucks a guy for money on film, and a prostitute fucks a guy for money but not on film. Huge difference? Not really.

But this is in reference to a porn star, not just a nude model or solo jerker on film. I won't name the porn star hehe, but I bet someone here probably knows.

Fletch XXX · 11-08-2002, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by becca
Easy, Fletch.

Easy?

Wrong board, wrong Industry, wrong day.

I have been watching you post in every thread for the past day or so and am just questioning you.

You seem to know nothing of this industry, any laws regarding this industry, or basically anything to do with the industry yet these opinions keep piling up in thread after thread about your move to canada and you drawing naked girls etc...This is an Adult Webmaster board ;) Its fast paced and aggressive, but you can't sit there and make me believe just because you are from Maryland you dont know the laws of your own country. Or the general knowledge of Nevada prostitution.

Fuck like they dont watch COPS in Maryland.
Geez.

Anyway.

becca · 11-08-2002, 03:12 PM

If I don't know it, I don't know it. I ask questions and I learn and form opinions as I become informed... through asking the questions.

If it bothers you that much that i don't know much about the industry but want to learn, then I'll go find another place to waste my time. And anyway, they didn't teach that crap where I went to school, and my christian mother wasn't about to tell me about it *anyway*.

Oh hell nevermind. I'm going out to St. Catherines to try to have a little fun. I've wasted enough of my time trying to learn about this industry today. Maybe monday I'll give it another go.

Gemini · 11-08-2002, 03:15 PM

I don't remember the details exactly, but wasn't Buttman taken to court for this? For performing as well as being the director-cameraman-producer?

Fletch XXX · 11-08-2002, 03:18 PM

You dont bother me. Except the complaining.

i.e "My christian mother..."

exactly my point.

We dont really care.

we are webmasters who want to get rich by the end of the day.

hell we dont even like christians for the most part here.

new people always get a little shit, but new people who fucking talk too much seem to catch a little more shit.

I know, because I used to be one. ;)

Enjoy your day here.

;)

becca · 11-08-2002, 03:20 PM

Sure will, Fletch. Enjoy yours too.

Now I'm really going! Beer Beer Beer!

Ahem.

Thanks for the heads up.

quiet · 11-08-2002, 03:22 PM

very strange

UnseenWorld · 11-08-2002, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
who said prostitution is illegial ? - it's TOTALLY legal in canada and in many other countries. - AND YES, it's even legal in many places in the USA...........

MANY places in the USA? SOME places in Nevada (not everywhere). I don't know of any other places in the USA.

UnseenWorld · 11-08-2002, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by charly
So what if he's jerking off and he's shooting for a commercial. Not illegal just apprecaitive??:-)[/url]

If he's doing that in public, he could be charged with public lewdness (indecency, or whatever the local terminology is). Freedom of Speech doesn't cover absolutely everything.

Dax · 11-08-2002, 04:05 PM

Technically prostitution is legall all over the US... Are Escorts illegal anywhere???

LunaC · 11-08-2002, 04:07 PM

All the model contracts I have looked at (not a great number, I admit) all seem to have a clause that says something like "I (the model) understand that I am not being paid to have sex, I am having sex for my own enjoyment. I am only being paid to allow the photographer to take pictures of it." and some even specify that even though the photographer may introduce two people and suggest that it would be nice for them to happen to have sex in front of his/her camera, thus allowing him to take pictures which he will then pay them for the rights to, he is nonetheless not in any way paying them *to have sex*

Legal fiction, but whatever works....

Manny The Freak · 11-08-2002, 05:35 PM

It is legal , what is not legal is soliciting.

EscortBiz · 11-08-2002, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by becca

Whatever to what?

Oh well.

Oh well, whatever

11-08-2002, 01:40 PM	#1
becca Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 131	Prostitution Illegal, Pornography Legal? This comes out of ignorance and stupidity.. and the inability to figure it out on my own. Why is prostitution illegal and pronography not? people are having sex in either case. Whats the deal? Is it because there is a camera involved? (So if I go hunt up a hooker and take a camera with me, is that legal?) __________________ - Becca

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becca Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 131	I would bet if there were a clear cut answer, many men and women would be using that answer right now justso they could get a hooker without risking arrest. Oh well. __________________ - Becca

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	because one you are selling fantasy/entertainment, and the other you are selling flesh/service. For some reason there is a difference. Much like the difference in reading an erotic rape story vs actually raping someone. The story is legal, the rape is not. You really can't see the difference? __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	First of all, not all pornography has people having sex. Also, even hardcore stuff isn't always people who wouldn't have sex anyhow. Sure, most of it is, just pointing out that there are a lot of kinds of porn out there. Why would pics of my girlfriend gobbling my knob be illegal, thinking along these lines? ;) Still, I have wondered about the whole pay-for-sex angle. I think I can see why it doesn't apply, though. First of all, it is rarely the sexual partner who is paying the model, and the primary purpose in either case isn't generally sexual gratification. It's producing the images. The main reason is a lot simpler, though. Freedom of speech. Pornography is a creative work-- occasionally even actual art, and certainly an act of communication and a created work. As such, it is protected by the First Ammendment, and related principles/laws. Here's a question I think may be better... If a brothel provided a tape of the experience, and called themselves a studio, could they get outside of prostitution laws? __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

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becca Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 131	I guess I just don't really understand. Sex is Sex.. they are both being paid for. One is just to be used over and over on film or internet. I get the "art" part of it more, but I guess I'm just too niave and stuck on old ways to really see the difference. If people really want sex that bad they are gonna get it.. legal or not. Oh well. __________________ - Becca

11-08-2002, 01:43 PM	#2
multisexsite Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 929	If you are paying her to be an actress, then yeah It also depends on what state, and what city, etc. I've wondered that myself.

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ChrisH Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,355	Adult movies and films are protected by free speach, and are not considered pandering, but it was in the 70's until it became protected speech. It is a form of art, expression. Prostitution is considered a crime and therefore has no protection.

11-08-2002, 02:29 PM	#9
Dax Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,161	Becca here is the simple, quick and painless answer: Prostitution - You are paying the girl to let you fuck her and get off. Porn - One does not pay for the actual sex, BUT for the RIGHTS to use the video/pictures. That is it... well in short!

11-08-2002, 02:31 PM	#10
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	who said prostitution is illegial ? - it's TOTALLY legal in canada and in many other countries. - AND YES, it's even legal in many places in the USA........... __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

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11-08-2002, 02:34 PM	#13
becca Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 131	Woaah, back this horse up... prostitution is legal?!! Since when? Holy hell! Where is the I'm shocked face icon? Dayum. I really must not pay attention to the news. __________________ - Becca

11-08-2002, 02:38 PM	#15
becca Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 131	So I'm from the backwater where I'm certain porn is or was at one time illegal. LOL! Oh dear. What are the rules on prostitution in Montreal? Legal? Hmm.. Now, were those strippers or prostitutes outside on st catherines street last weekend? And damn, I wanna steal that pair of boots that one chick had. Nice set of leather knee highs. __________________ - Becca

11-08-2002, 02:55 PM	#20
becca Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 131	Easy, Fletch. I came from a backwater town in Maryland. EVERYTHING is politically correct. And I've never needed a hooker so I've never bothered knowing the laws on hookers. All I remember about prositution in law class is that 80 % of all women arrested are arrested on charges of prostitution. Selling AND buying. But that was from a while ago.. so those stats probably aren't correct anymore. Just because you live in a place doesn't mean you know all the rules. __________________ - Becca

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becca Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 131	Well, right nwo I wouldn't mind hiring a prostitue. I wouldn't use him for sex, but as an escort downtown. One thing I hate is going downtown after dark.. especially to st. catherines by myself. Ugh. For some reason I attract males when I'm on st catherine streets. It has to be the horse on the pants I wear. Or the black pants. It has to be the black pants. Hmm. I'd make good money as a prostitue. I wouldn't have to solicitate. They'd just flock to me ;p __________________ - Becca

11-08-2002, 03:04 PM	#25
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	I think some debate on this subject came up once when Luke Ford was being sued by a porn star for writing about her being a prostitute. I believe it came down to something like a porn star fucks a guy for money on film, and a prostitute fucks a guy for money but not on film. Huge difference? Not really. But this is in reference to a porn star, not just a nude model or solo jerker on film. I won't name the porn star hehe, but I bet someone here probably knows.

11-08-2002, 03:12 PM	#27
becca Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 131	If I don't know it, I don't know it. I ask questions and I learn and form opinions as I become informed... through asking the questions. If it bothers you that much that i don't know much about the industry but want to learn, then I'll go find another place to waste my time. And anyway, they didn't teach that crap where I went to school, and my christian mother wasn't about to tell me about it anyway. Oh hell nevermind. I'm going out to St. Catherines to try to have a little fun. I've wasted enough of my time trying to learn about this industry today. Maybe monday I'll give it another go. __________________ - Becca

11-08-2002, 03:15 PM	#28
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	I don't remember the details exactly, but wasn't Buttman taken to court for this? For performing as well as being the director-cameraman-producer?

11-08-2002, 03:18 PM	#29
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	You dont bother me. Except the complaining. i.e "My christian mother..." exactly my point. We dont really care. we are webmasters who want to get rich by the end of the day. hell we dont even like christians for the most part here. new people always get a little shit, but new people who fucking talk too much seem to catch a little more shit. I know, because I used to be one. ;) Enjoy your day here. ;) __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

11-08-2002, 03:20 PM	#30
becca Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 131	Sure will, Fletch. Enjoy yours too. Now I'm really going! Beer Beer Beer! Ahem. Thanks for the heads up. __________________ - Becca

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Dax Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,161	Technically prostitution is legall all over the US... Are Escorts illegal anywhere???

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LunaC Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 148	All the model contracts I have looked at (not a great number, I admit) all seem to have a clause that says something like "I (the model) understand that I am not being paid to have sex, I am having sex for my own enjoyment. I am only being paid to allow the photographer to take pictures of it." and some even specify that even though the photographer may introduce two people and suggest that it would be nice for them to happen to have sex in front of his/her camera, thus allowing him to take pictures which he will then pay them for the rights to, he is nonetheless not in any way paying them to have sex Legal fiction, but whatever works....

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Manny The Freak Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Everywhere. Posts: 1,506	It is legal , what is not legal is soliciting. __________________