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  • JayAllan
    So Fucking Banned
    • Jan 2008
    • 1148

    #1

    WTFuck's a matter with you Photoshop Whiners

    Every time someone like Twisty's or Dean post glamour shots on this board someone has to jump in and say "that's not good photography, it's good Photoshop" or some such bullshit.

    You guys are fucking idiots. All commercial photography is retouched. All magazine covers, billboards, movie posters, box covers, etc etc etc. They are all Photoshopped guys. This is even more so true with glamour photography. And you know what, it's been this way since long before Adobe Photoshop was created. Black and white printers burn and dodge in the darkroom. Then they crop and pain out the blemishes etc. Color printers airbrushed and used chemicals to color tint or correct. Photoshop is simply a newer tool. Ansel Adams pictures were modified by the chemicals to build contrast.

    In the old (film) days Playboy would take 2 days to shoot one centerfold on 8x10 film. They had amazing lighting, amazing makeup artists, and world class photographers. They still airbrushed the image to blend the skin tones.

    Photoshop is simply a new post production tool. Sometimes it is overused, but usually it needs to be used. I think in porn girls it is not used enough. These girls are not exactly super models.

    There is a lot more porn that is under Photoshopped than over Photoshopped

    While I agree that some (large) content companies way over retouch their sets, don't confuse good retouched images with bad photography covered up.


  • F-U-Jimmy
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2006
    • 6853

    #2
    Hi Jay
    Coming from the days when they ( i ) used 10x8 and even 16x20 field cameras i know what went into shooting/airbrushing for high quality mags and im still of the opinion that digital is a long way from that quality yet ! ( nothing to do with # of pixels )

    I think what people are saying is that quite a few shots shown are over retouched, people tend to use a technique that smoothes out far too much detail giving a look of plastic to the models skin. Photoshop is available to all and as such you see some excellent work but also a lot of crap where people over do the effect or dont know the correct way to re touch images to leave the skin texture intact
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    • Machete_
      WINNING!
      • Oct 2002
      • 14579

      #3
      Fuck the haters man. The surfers know what they like. I know they get a boner from Quality adult glamour and babe content like Dean Capture or other Professional Glamour Erotic Photographers sell.

      Things like playboy would not be what they are today if it weren't for modified photos. Like any other porn/adult content, its about selling a fantasy

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      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
        best designer on GFY
        • Mar 2003
        • 30307

        #4
        THis is original photo:



        This is adjusted, colorised and has some minor layering.


        THese same methods are applied by ALL "Glam" photographers, every single fucking one use imaging techniques that drive a style and look that each thrive on. These secrets are held closely to the chest, no photo you see that is glam and is perfect looking are not retouched. Every Pro Photographer does post work end of story.

        But wait...

        Jay...
        Many Photographers got people fooled around here into thinking the photos they post came out of the camara the way they appear. SHHHHHH!

        THis is GFY. People goto hate here its the nature of the beast. Its the clash of morons by the droves VS. the occasional Intelligent and talented.

        Often the Intelligent and Talented like to Dupe the Morons and it makes everything twice the fun.
        Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 11-05-2008, 04:08 PM.

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        • JayAllan
          So Fucking Banned
          • Jan 2008
          • 1148

          #5
          Originally posted by F-U-Jimmy
          Hi Jay

          I think what people are saying is that quite a few shots shown are over retouched, people tend to use a technique that smoothes out far too much detail giving a look of plastic to the models skin.
          I know and I agree with that but I am responding to people who are confusing good quality photography that is retouched well, and bad photography that is made to (attempted to) look better by painting over it.

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          • JayAllan
            So Fucking Banned
            • Jan 2008
            • 1148

            #6
            Originally posted by AlienQ
            THis is GFY. People goto hate here its the nature of the best. Its the clash of morons by the droves VS. the occasional Intelligent and talanted.

            Often the Intelligent and Talented like to Dupe the Morons and it makes everything twice the fun.
            Absolutely I guess I feel like I have been missing out on bashing back so here I am Nice shoot too btw.

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            • woj
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              • Jul 2002
              • 47880

              #7
              It would be interesting to see before + after pics, for all we know the pics might be at best average looking straight out of the camera, the real magic probably happens at the post production stage...
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              • psili
                Confirmed User
                • Apr 2003
                • 5526

                #8
                Originally posted by AlienQ
                THis is original photo:


                This is adjusted, colorised and has some minor layering.
                In my humble opinion, the second picture is overdone -- looking at it make me feel like I'm starting a shroom trip. I do dig the rich blue, in the 2nd, though.
                Your post count means nothing.

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                • DeanCapture
                  Haters & Trolls SUCK!
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 9275

                  #9
                  Originally posted by woj
                  .....the real magic probably happens at the post production stage...
                  The "real magic" happens all through the photographic process. From picking out the location and the wardrobe to hair/makeup, model rapport, lighting, exposure, composition, posing and of course post production. It takes years to figure all this shit out and fine tune those skills and even then..there's always room for improvement. No photographer can shoot images that please everybody. There will always be someone who doesn't like the work for one reason or the other. The best a photographer can do is try to please himself and hopefully some others will be pleased as well

                  One thing we all have to remember is that this is GFY and there are folks here who live their life to start shit with others. We have stalkers, thieves, scammers and every other kind of low-life scum you can think of surfing this board so to have a few folks here & there complain about a picture...well, that means nothing to me. I'm happy with what I do, my clients are happy and their members are happy. That my friend is all that matters
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                  • The Duck
                    Adult Content Provider
                    • May 2005
                    • 18243

                    #10
                    I myself like the natural feel of photos prior to digital retouching. Yes there are flaws in the models and that is the way its supposed to be imho.
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                    • Spunky
                      I need a beer
                      • Jun 2002
                      • 133978

                      #11
                      I just like the boobies

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                      • d-null
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                        • Apr 2007
                        • 13724

                        #12
                        Originally posted by JayAllan

                        Photoshop is simply a new post production tool. Sometimes it is overused, but usually it needs to be used. I think in porn girls it is not used enough. These girls are not exactly super models.

                        There is a lot more porn that is under Photoshopped than over Photoshopped
                        agree with you totally, sometimes I feel sorry for the models when somebody posts up pictures with a big pimple left in, stuff like that and even just fixing up contrasts and levels should be basic

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                        • Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE
                          MOBILE PORN: IMOBILEPORN
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 16502

                          #13
                          Originally posted by DeanCapture
                          No photographer can shoot images that please everybody.
                          I beg to differ.

                          There hasn't been one DeanCapture image I didn't like.

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                          • SmokeyTheBear
                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 28609

                            #14
                            you sir are a liar, advertisers NEVER lie in ads, its almost impossible

                            hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                            • JayAllan
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 1148

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DeanCapture
                              The "real magic" happens all through the photographic process. From picking out the location and the wardrobe to hair/makeup, model rapport, lighting, exposure, composition, posing and of course post production.
                              So True. And an experienced photographer knows what photo tools he has at his disposal for post production. It allows us to pick some of out battles for after the shoot, and just concentrate on getting the good image on set.

                              Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                              you sir are a liar, advertisers NEVER lie in ads, its almost impossible

                              LMAO

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                              • Iron Fist
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 23400

                                #16
                                Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                you sir are a liar, advertisers NEVER lie in ads, its almost impossible

                                I was going to say she doesn't have a belly button, but then I saw what you did there
                                i like waffles

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                                • travs
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jul 2003
                                  • 1631

                                  #17

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                                  • DefaultMan
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Nov 2006
                                    • 1869

                                    #18
                                    I don't know about the rest of you but I would rather NOT see ass pimples, razor burn and stretch marks. I know girls have them, and that's just the human body, but I want to keep some things out of sight out of mind. Porn is all about fantasy anyways.
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                                    • theS2O
                                      Adult Design Since 2003
                                      • Sep 2003
                                      • 4785

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                      you sir are a liar, advertisers NEVER lie in ads, its almost impossible

                                      ow my... that's just bad photochopping..
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                                      • DWB
                                        Registered User
                                        • Jul 2003
                                        • 31779

                                        #20
                                        I think the many of people here struggle to even be webmasters, let alone know anything about photography. They know nothing about production yet will blast pros who do. The same as most of them will flame a pretty girl and say she is ugly when in fact most of these same guys are overweight turds who couldn't have that girl of they tried. You can see countless posts of a stunning girl and then some ass comes and and says her wrists are too big for his tastes or that he's "seen better."

                                        It's the power of the internet. You get to pretend you are someone and that you know something, even if you don't. This is the difference between guys who make money in this business and guys who don't.

                                        For all of those who blast on pretty girls or good photos, I'd like to see what they have that is better. Post your pics, lets see your flawless girls, perfect shots and money making websites. Oh yea, I forgot, you don't have any.

                                        Haters hate, that's why they do when they are unable to do anything else.

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                                        • DWB
                                          Registered User
                                          • Jul 2003
                                          • 31779

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                          you sir are a liar, advertisers NEVER lie in ads, its almost impossible

                                          You do know this was for a belly button removal cereal don't you?

                                          "Take it off and keep it off" was in reference to belly buttons.

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                                          • Puremeds-J
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Sep 2008
                                            • 939

                                            #22
                                            some people just like to complain

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                                            • V_RocKs
                                              Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                              • Nov 2003
                                              • 32448

                                              #23
                                              I photoshop shit for my blogs and my surfers prefer it... When I don't photoshop it = no votes and no page views.. WHen I do it equals votes through the roof and many sales...

                                              One thing that really ticks me off is that I have to photoshop most shit because many programs (occash comes to mind) release some pretty ridiculous, grainy, washed out, dark photos for us to use... And video stills... don't even get me started...

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                                              • F-U-Jimmy
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Apr 2006
                                                • 6853

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by woj
                                                It would be interesting to see before + after pics, for all we know the pics might be at best average looking straight out of the camera, the real magic probably happens at the post production stage...
                                                Here ya go with minimal use of Photoshop ?

                                                icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

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                                                • SmokeyTheBear
                                                  ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                  • 28609

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                  You do know this was for a belly button removal cereal don't you?

                                                  "Take it off and keep it off" was in reference to belly buttons.
                                                  does it also slowly turn you into a white woman ?
                                                  hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                  • AmeliaG
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                    • 10664

                                                    #26
                                                    Amen, Jay. Well said.
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                                                    • JayAllan
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Jan 2008
                                                      • 1148

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by F-U-Jimmy
                                                      LOL that's awesome

                                                      Originally posted by AmeliaG
                                                      Amen, Jay. Well said.
                                                      Right on girl We need to go drink some blood sometime.

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                                                      • After Shock Media
                                                        It's coming look busy
                                                        • Mar 2001
                                                        • 35299

                                                        #28
                                                        I can not recall an image posted by Dean that was overdone with photoshop. Seems he knows what the fuck he is doing and it just adds to everything. I am one who thinks photoshop can be a useful tool and should be used like makeup. On other side though, we all can think of some people who post images that way overdo the photoshop work and it comes off just as bad as if the model way overused her makeup.

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                                                        • DWB
                                                          Registered User
                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                          • 31779

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                          does it also slowly turn you into a white woman ?
                                                          Turn ME into a white woman? Wow, that would be something.

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                                                          • AR-Melody
                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                            • Apr 2007
                                                            • 213

                                                            #30
                                                            As good as he is his pictures totally bore me. I prefer to see real women looking real. I dont like to look at dolls. These people might as well buy some real dolls and take pictures of it. Nobody will notice the difference.

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                                                            • alexchechs
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • May 2008
                                                              • 3474

                                                              #31
                                                              I can go both ways on this issue. I do think with digital photography a good 20% of the process is how you treat that digital image in photoshop (adjusting, lightly retouching, etc) But I do feel that some people get a little too "Filter happy" and overdue it to a point where it seems a bit too perfect and becomes a distraction. For most of the content I deal with I try to keep it in it's most natural state. But color adjustment is key on any digital photo straight from the camera...
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                                                              • JayAllan
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Jan 2008
                                                                • 1148

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by AR-Melody
                                                                As good as he is his pictures totally bore me. I prefer to see real women looking real. I dont like to look at dolls. These people might as well buy some real dolls and take pictures of it. Nobody will notice the difference.
                                                                I can respect that. You are differentiating quality and personal taste Some of us might even prefer Real Dolls

                                                                Originally posted by alexchechs
                                                                I can go both ways on this issue. I do think with digital photography a good 20% of the process is how you treat that digital image in photoshop (adjusting, lightly retouching, etc) But I do feel that some people get a little too "Filter happy" and overdue it to a point where it seems a bit too perfect and becomes a distraction. For most of the content I deal with I try to keep it in it's most natural state. But color adjustment is key on any digital photo straight from the camera...
                                                                I totally agree. I think that once the retouching is the first thing you notice, then you have gone too far. Its like bad CG in movies. It takes you out of the fantasy. I do a lot of retouching in my images to a point where no-one really can tell, but the image is much better.

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                                                                • JayAllan
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Jan 2008
                                                                  • 1148

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Here is a recent image I photoshopped heavily.

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                                                                  • kizanth
                                                                    Registered User
                                                                    • Dec 2007
                                                                    • 5

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Oh my, Jay.

                                                                    Did you happen to touch her face with flesh tone color? If so, on my monitor at least it appears that you used a flesh tone with not enough pink...

                                                                    I thank my lucky stars that my customers who order photoshop work through me (non-adult) don't ask for the "Glamour Shots" treatment. *shudder*
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                                                                    • psili
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                      • 5526

                                                                      #35
                                                                      [QUOTE=JayAllan;15017765]Here is a recent image I photoshopped heavily.

                                                                      What's the original look like?
                                                                      Your post count means nothing.

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                                                                      • PersianKitty
                                                                        Meow Media Inc.
                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                        • 7785

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Peeking in, but I'm naive on the subject since I'm not a photog and not a guy. I do know I've always liked well-shot, beautiful, glamour photography. There's a photog for every taste and an end result for each as well.

                                                                        I also have learned in 13 years of this industry and these boards..

                                                                        it's a lot easier to be critical of someone and their work from behind a keyboard than face to face.

                                                                        (waving at Jay and wondering if he remembers me)

                                                                        PK

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                                                                        • jakethedog
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jun 2004
                                                                          • 2497

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                          you sir are a liar, advertisers NEVER lie in ads, its almost impossible

                                                                          fuck the belly button .. she is a Black chick with a white belly .. jeebsus .. I was like .. err .. uhmm .. is it just me or is there something seriously wrong here ..
                                                                          No sig .. just me

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                                                                          • JayAllan
                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                            • Jan 2008
                                                                            • 1148

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by psili

                                                                            What's the original look like?
                                                                            Here is the original...

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                                                                            • JayAllan
                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                              • Jan 2008
                                                                              • 1148

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by kizanth
                                                                              Oh my, Jay.

                                                                              Did you happen to touch her face with flesh tone color? If so, on my monitor at least it appears that you used a flesh tone with not enough pink...

                                                                              I thank my lucky stars that my customers who order photoshop work through me (non-adult) don't ask for the "Glamour Shots" treatment. *shudder*
                                                                              Charlotte,

                                                                              Her face color is sampled from her face. I think it could look a little more pink, but no more than 3% red added. I am working off a Pantone color calibrated monitor, so if may likely look different to you. Lets see some of your photoshop work

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                                                                              • StaceyJo
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                                                                                • Mar 2008
                                                                                • 8960

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                Hahaha.. it took me seconds to find something in this pic. LOL, such a blooper!
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                                                                                • JaneB

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by JayAllan
                                                                                  Here is a recent image I photoshopped heavily.

                                                                                  I think it looks great. Skin tone looks fine to me.

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                                                                                  • psili
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Apr 2003
                                                                                    • 5526

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by JayAllan
                                                                                    Here is the original...
                                                                                    Shit. I think the original's as fine as the touch-up. Good for you. I'm still saying the "tree" example above is what people might be complaining about.
                                                                                    Your post count means nothing.

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                                                                                    • kizanth
                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                      • Dec 2007
                                                                                      • 5

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by JayAllan
                                                                                      Charlotte,

                                                                                      Her face color is sampled from her face. I think it could look a little more pink, but no more than 3% red added. I am working off a Pantone color calibrated monitor, so if may likely look different to you. Lets see some of your photoshop work
                                                                                      It's definitely an improvement on the original, I think the finish is overall a bit too smooth, but who's really looking at the skin texture when in the full view there would be boobies hangin' out? :P

                                                                                      The real blazer for me is her jawline, it looks too brown too me, just by a hair. I dunno. Still, kudos, she's very pretty, and the color shift and splotch smoothing you did on her neck and chest area is wonderful.

                                                                                      As for samples of my stuff, that'll just have to wait until I've made the 30 post minimum.

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                                                                                      Oh right, and I take care of adult webmasters as best as I can.

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                                                                                      • JayAllan
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • Jan 2008
                                                                                        • 1148

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by PersianKitty

                                                                                        (waving at Jay and wondering if he remembers me)

                                                                                        PK
                                                                                        How could I ever forget you Beth We were in the thick of it when this internet thing first started Have to meet up at the next big convention.

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