Hey Obama lovers... Do you really think there's going to be change?

[dropped9]

Its just another puppet going into office. Greed, the wealthy, the system won't "change"....

Get real....

[GrouchyAdmin]

Oh, I don't know. That Biden's one hell of a smart guy..

[TheSenator]

Universal health care

[dropped9]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

Oh, I don't know. That Biden's one hell of a smart guy..

His bald spot annoys me...

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by Headless

His bald spot annoys me...

On the inside, or the outside?

[2012]

Nah, I think we should just keep Bush in there for another 4

[dropped9]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

On the inside, or the outside?

Both!!!!!

[Wizzo]

I think it will be a overall change in much of the American Psyche, but you are correct politics will remain politics...

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Headless

His bald spot annoys me...

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by Headless

Both!!!!!

We could cover both with thick black paint.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

We could cover both with thick black paint.

..or would that be too transparent?

[dropped9]

Can't we just put a hat on him? Or maybe one of those turbins obama has... lololol

[NoComments]

Originally Posted by Headless

Its just another puppet going into office. Greed, the wealthy, the system won't "change"....

Get real....

Headless, the only thing is real is that you were in this business from early days and still sucking dick.

Everything else is a speculation.

[Rodent]

usa fail either way

[blazin]

Originally Posted by Headless

Its just another puppet going into office. Greed, the wealthy, the system won't "change"....

Get real....

It will be enough of a change... and I think it will be a lot better than the alternative warmongering policies of the repubs and a USA that panders to the needs of corporations and tramples all over the little guy in the process.

....though you are correct in that he is still part of the establishment and won't rock the boat too much (he wouldn't have got this far if he did) like Ron Paul would.

My main reason for wanting him in power (other than him being a black man) is his stance on solar.

I have 6 figures invested in solar (LDK Solar) right now and want to make it 7 figures ;)
Obama is pushing solar big time... McCain wants nuclear.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Universal health care

you aren't that stupid are you?

So McCain's $5000 check that comes from the US GOVERNMNET, which I'm 100% sure will have some overshight from the US GOVERNMENT to make sure you spend MY TAX $ on health care for lazy fucks and thieir lazy fuck family isn't spent on a HDTV or a vacation, isn't GOVERNMENT run healthcare? And if that also isn't "spreading the wealth" then I'm not sure what is then.

[Super Negro]

Originally Posted by NoComments

Headless, the only thing is real is that you were in this business from early days and still sucking dick.

Everything else is a speculation.

poor serge

is your life so boring you have to come to a board where you are hated and spew your verbal vomit?

get a life, most of your old scammer buddies figured it out a while ago, why can't you?

[dropped9]

Serge, the only thing is real is that you were in this business from early days and still sucking dick on gfy.

Everything else is a speculation.

I agree.

[Don Pueblo]

we get the respect of the world back. that matters more than anything.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Obama does not even believe he will change anything.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5051118.ece

Barack Obama?s senior advisers have drawn up plans to lower expectations for his presidency if he wins next week?s election, amid concerns that many of his euphoric supporters are harbouring unrealistic hopes of what he can achieve.


The sudden financial crisis and the prospect of a deep and painful recession have increased the urgency inside the Obama team to bring people down to earth, after a campaign in which his soaring rhetoric and promises of ?hope? and ?change? are now confronted with the reality of a stricken economy.


One senior adviser told The Times that the first few weeks of the transition, immediately after the election, were critical, ?so there?s not a vast mood swing from exhilaration and euphoria to despair?.


The aide said that Mr Obama himself was the first to realise that expectations risked being inflated.


In an interview with a Colorado radio station, Mr Obama appeared to be engaged already in expectation lowering. Asked about his goals for the first hundred days, he said he would need more time to tackle such big and costly issues as health care reform, global warming and Iraq. ?The first hundred days is going to be important, but it?s probably going to be the first thousand days that makes the difference,? he said. He has also been reminding crowds in recent days how ?hard? it will be to achieve his goals, and that it will take time.


?I won?t stand here and pretend that any of this will be easy ? especially now,? Mr Obama told a rally in Sarasota, Florida, yesterday, citing ?the cost of this economic crisis, and the cost of the war in Iraq?. Mr Obama?s transition team is headed by John Podesta, a Washington veteran and a former chief-of-staff to Bill Clinton. He has spent months overseeing a virtual Democratic government-in-exile to plan a smooth transition should Mr Obama emerge victorious next week. The plans are so far advanced that an Obama Cabinet has been largely decided upon, with the expectation that most of his senior appointments could be announced shortly after election day.


Yet Mr Obama and his aides are under no illusions about the size of the challenges the Democrat will inherit if he enters the Oval Office. Tom Daschle, the party?s former leader in the US Senate and a strong contender for the post of White House chief-of-staff in an Obama administration, said last month that the winner next week would have only a 50 per cent chance of winning a second term in 2012.


Not only will the next president take office with the country sliding into a potentially long recession ? and mired in debt ? but the challenges abroad are immense. There is an unfinished war in Iraq, a worsening situation in Afghanistan and an unstable and nuclear-armed Pakistan to contend with. Iran appears intent on acquiring the bomb and there remains the ever-present threat from al-Qaeda and Islamic extremists.


If he wins, Mr Obama will inherit a Democratic-controlled Congress, and might even have the benefit of a 60-seat filibuster-proof ?supermajority? in the Senate. Such a scenario would allow him to push through legislation largely unfettered by Republican opposition. Yet it also means that should the country still be mired in recession in three years? time, voters ? who have short memories ? will probably blame him and the Democrats on Capitol Hill. Those stakes have led Mr Obama to conclude that while expectations need to be tempered, big things need to be achieved very early in his first term, when he will still have the political capital to achieve some of his most ambitious legislative goals.


Having promised ?real? change, the pressure will be on him to deliver. In the Colorado interview, Mr Obama added: ?The next president has got to come quickly out of the box.
?

The early priorities being lined up if he takes power are a mixture of symbolism and substance. He plans to make a major address in a big Muslim country early in his first term. Having pledged on the campaign trail to close Guantanamo Bay, he is also determined to make early moves to rid America of the controversial prison. Yet what to do with the remaining inmates looms as an intractable problem, as many of their home governments refuse to allow them to return.


Mr Obama?s first legislative goals will be to follow through on his pledge to cut taxes for the middle class and raise them for the wealthiest Americans, and to push through a hugely expensive Bill to provide near-universal health insurance.

[DaddyHalbucks]

One thing is sure if Obama is elected: nothing will change for Joe Biden. He will still be the same blow hard beltway insider he has been for the last 30 years.

How is that... CHANGE?

?

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

One thing is sure if Obama is elected: nothing will change for Joe Biden. He will still be the same blow hard beltway insider he has been for the last 30 years.

How is that... CHANGE?

?

[tony286]

the way it works republicans make a mess and then a democrat comes in and cleans it up.

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Could Santorum be anymore fake?!

[germ]

lets rephrase the question a bit.

between the two current candidates, do you think there is more of a likelyhood that john mccain or barack obama will be the one to make an attempt to change things that have gone horribly wrong for the last 8 years?

[pigman]

The US will go from a stupid leader to a smart leader.
Thats real change!

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by pigman

The US will go from a stupid leader to a smart leader.
Thats real change!

I agree McCain is another Bush in so many ways i dont get how anyone would vote for him unless they were raciest

[SL|M!]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

thats one ugly family

[spanky part 2]

a 5 year old could follow up Bush and make it better.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by germ

lets rephrase the question a bit.

between the two current candidates, do you think there is more of a likelyhood that john mccain or barack obama will be the one to make an attempt to change things that have gone horribly wrong for the last 8 years?

Well with voters like you who think there are only two candidates nothing will ever change

[germ]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Well with voters like you who think there are only two candidates nothing will ever change

I realize there are more than 2 candidates. That being said, I feel like this election is far too important to "waste" my vote on some obscure candidate with no real chance of winning.

Now, if you're trying to get into a discussion against the 2 party system, I'm in total agreement of that. However, this year isnt the right time to try and completely overhaul the way we elect our representatives. We've had 8 years of horrible leadership. It's far more important to put a more qualified person into the white house this election than to try and completely change the political process.

That one is gonna take a lot more time than I personally feel we have, if the policies of the last 8 years continue.

[uno]

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

Could Santorum be anymore fake?!

He has always been such an asshat. I was so happy when he was ousted.

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by germ

I realize there are more than 2 candidates. That being said, I feel like this election is far too important to "waste" my vote on some obscure candidate with no real chance of winning.

I posted earlier on here and just got done writing a big article on this for my blog.

You think your vote counts if you are going against the color of your state?

Fact:
"While many people may believe they are voting for their presidential candidate, they are in actuality casting their vote for that candidate?s electors"

Fact:
Unless you live in a swing state or are in line with the color of your state, your vote does not count, it does not go to washington, it does not go to your candidate, it does not pass go and collect $200. It simply goes up in smoke.

[Lykos]

I think that's very true,no one who enter the "office" can't do whatever he wants...there is always stronger then strongest one

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by blazin

It will be enough of a change... and I think it will be a lot better than the alternative warmongering policies of the repubs

you mean with all the legislation that democrats also supported?

[aico]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you mean with all the legislation that democrats also supported?

Yes, they supported it, after being completely hoodwinked and lied to.

But, that's an old argument that for some reason Republicans always seem to forget they always lose.

[Rui]

Originally Posted by NoComments

Headless, the only thing is real is that you were in this business from early days and still sucking dick.

Everything else is a speculation.

Ouuuchhh

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by aico

Yes, they supported it, after being completely hoodwinked and lied to.

But, that's an old argument that for some reason Republicans always seem to forget they always lose.

you're right. they had no access to intelligence. there are no bi-partisan committees evaluating intelligence. there wasn't endless testimony from all all intelligence agencies as well as others stating both sides of the case making arguments for and against.

only other countries and republicans weren't tricked while US democrats were duped

they were all just innocent bumpkins fumbling through another day on the job while the dumbest human being to ever become president manipulated them all.

they certainly weren't doing what was politically popular to do at the time. Hillary and everyone else are just victims... after all, politics isn't a popularity contest!.. er... well....

[aico]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you're right. they had no access to intelligence. there are no bi-partisan committees evaluating intelligence. there wasn't endless testimony from all all intelligence agencies as well as others stating both sides of the case.

they were all just innocent bumpkins fumbling through another day on the job while the dumbest human being to ever become president manipulated them all.

they certainly weren't doing what was politically popular to do at the time. Hillary and everyone else are just victims... after all, politics isn't a popularity contest!.. er... well....

You need to do a little more research on the subject, stop getting your information from Sean Hannity.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by aico

You need to do a little more research on the subject, stop getting your information from Sean Hannity.

i dont watch the news. i don't watch sean hannity.

i just love this argument and others. you are FORCED to take the position that democrats were lied to because the only other alternative is that many democrats voted for military aggression which puts you in the same corner as Bush. its just funny.

bush is a retard but how he forced democrats into supporting military action against Iraq was downright comical. 9/11 was still on everyones minds. security and terrorism were still the prime concern and he leveraged that to back everyone into a corner where they would be remembered as either supporting or fighting terrorism. it was very comical.

funny how democrats were "tricked" and "lied to" but no one else on the planet "fell for it". the UN didn't fall for it. Colin Powell made the weakest case ever that had me totally shaking my head wondering what the fuck they were thinking. No one bought it. But Democrats did because they were lied to? yeah right!

the truth is that almost EVERYONE adopted the most politically popular position at the time... on both sides of the aisle.

[The Duck]

There will be change, but not for the good. Welcome to the new world order!

[Hollywood Horwitz]

You wanna see change? This says it all! LOL

[aico]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i dont watch the news. i don't watch sean hannity.

i just love this argument and others. you are FORCED to take the position that democrats were lied to because the only other alternative is that many democrats voted for military agression

bush is a retard but how he forced dems into supporting military action against Iraq was downright comical. 9/11 was still on everyones minds. security and terrorism were still the prime concern and he leveraged that to back everyone into a corner where they would be remembered as either supporting or fighting terrorism. it was very comical.

funny how democrats were "tricked" and "lied to" but no one else on the planet "fell for it"

the truth is that almost EVERYONE adopted the most politically popular position at the time... on both sides of the aisle.

You clearly are mistaken, but that's ok, life goes on.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by aico

You clearly are mistaken, but that's ok, life goes on.

yeah. "clearly"

so clear that you don't even want to attempt to correct me with solid facts because you know where that path will lead.

[enovator]

read my sig, thats it

[aico]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

yeah. "clearly"

so clear that you don't even want to attempt to correct me with solid facts because you know where that path will lead.

I have no reason to, it doesn't bother me at all if you want to believe whatever. The facts are there, like I said, do some research. It's not my job to educate you, do yourself a favor and go educate yourself.

The path will lead to you still thinking you're right, ignorance is bliss and you'll live a happy life.

He who knows does not speak. He who speaks does not know.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by aico

I have no reason to, it doesn't bother me at all if you want to believe whatever. The facts are there, like I said, do some research. It's not my job to educate you, do yourself a favor and go educate yourself.

The path will lead to you still thinking you're right, ignorance is bliss and you'll live a happy life.

He who knows does not speak. He who speaks does not know.

ahh yes... the old "do some research"... i.e. "i've really got nothing to say and can't really take a position because i know how fast holes will be torn in it and i'll just look silly"

[aico]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

ahh yes... the old "do some research"... i.e. "i've really got nothing to say and can't really take a position because i know how fast holes will be torn in it and i'll just look silly"

"do some research" i.e. "you're not worth my time, cuz it doesn't affect me that you are wrong".

[Mistah Charlie]

Originally Posted by Headless

Its just another puppet going into office. Greed, the wealthy, the system won't "change"....

Get real....

Here is the change: the us government will not be coming after pornographers. An Obama justice dept will not spend its time pandering to a far right constituency.

Obama is better for our business. Period.

[BetChips]

Im not to happy with either of the people running for office.