If click cash didn't term your account...

[cherrylula]

they cranked up the shave.

holy shit.

I need webcams with really big cookies and sub niches. help.

BIG cookies and nice real time stats with referrers and I want to see my clicks.

[cherrylula]

I absolutely fucking hate changing link codes. What a waste of time.

I don't think I want PPS cams anymore though. I think I am going to go revshare across the board. If I switch that is.

[Iron Fist]

If you find something in cams let me know... I'll come back and see whos posted in here.

[lazycash]

Mtree has all of that, why on earth are you still promoting Clickcash.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by lazycash

Mtree has all of that, why on earth are you still promoting Clickcash.

because I remember Mtree being a cluster fuck of popups back in the day, and I avoided them.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

because I remember Mtree being a cluster fuck of popups back in the day, and I avoided them.

Simply use the non console links if you care about your surfer that much. They pay out $40 for a free cc verify just like Clickcash and have niches with real time stats.

[~Ray]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

because Mtree = cluster fuck ...

I second that

[Bart-ESO]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

they cranked up the shave.

holy shit.

I need webcams with really big cookies and sub niches. help.

BIG cookies and nice real time stats with referrers and I want to see my clicks.

Hey,

Check out what we at AWEmpire.com can offer you. All of our sites are console free and we provide the best tools in the industry for you to make it as easy as possible to convert your traffic.

Our co-brand and white label sites with life time revenue sharing are only the tips of the iceberg.

Get in touch or provide some contact infos and I will fill you in on the details.

Cheers,

Bart

[adamneve]

cherrylula check out ImLive.com through Pussycash.com
we got Rev Share 20% lifetime or $100 PPS.
We got niches, sub niches and all the tools to get your traffic converting.
Signup and let us help you optimize so you can make the most out of your traffic. ;)

[EvilFubAr]

You should use Smut Cams http://cam.smut.com from ARS $40 Per Free member, or $75 Per active. The member will get $20 to spend with any model.

[LexiLexxx]

Search and read up on Imlive, here on GFY.

It isn't pretty.

[cherrylula]

Yeah what I am really looking for is someone explaining to me how they cookie the surfer.

Is it cams.com that has the really fat payouts but very short cookies? Thats not what I am looking for.

I want COOKIES. But I think that is why click cash pulled out the razor. I don't think $40 is financially feesible to payout on a free signup anymore. The average webcam site member is no longer worth as much as they used to be, due to the increase in guys who just want the free stuff and don't spend hundreds on private shows.

I remember a few years back, I don't remember what company it was, but they claimed to make $700 average on their webcam customers. It is true that some guys spend hundreds and thousands on cams, but there are more guys who sign up to things for free.

I wonder what the average cam site member is right now. I bet its like $60.

If anyone isn't aware, one of the reasons click cash was so great is because they have a lifetime cookie. But since they don't even advertise on PK anymore, I feel it is the end of an era with fat webcam PPS.

Time to get more creative.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

Yeah what I am really looking for is someone explaining to me how they cookie the surfer.

Is it cams.com that has the really fat payouts but very short cookies? Thats not what I am looking for.

I want COOKIES. But I think that is why click cash pulled out the razor. I don't think $40 is financially feesible to payout on a free signup anymore. The average webcam site member is no longer worth as much as they used to be, due to the increase in guys who just want the free stuff and don't spend hundreds on private shows.

I remember a few years back, I don't remember what company it was, but they claimed to make $700 average on their webcam customers. It is true that some guys spend hundreds and thousands on cams, but there are more guys who sign up to things for free.

I wonder what the average cam site member is right now. I bet its like $60.

If anyone isn't aware, one of the reasons click cash was so great is because they have a lifetime cookie. But since they don't even advertise on PK anymore, I feel it is the end of an era with fat webcam PPS.

Time to get more creative.

I think you are putting way too much emphasis on the cookie. Cams are for the most part an impulse decision for the surfer, if they are going to buy, it will be when they first get to the site. The longer cookie will most likely have less than a 5% impact on your sales, while things like creative text, live iframe ads and well done sponsor landing pages will have a much stronger impact on your conversions. Clickcash has extremely poor webmaster promotion tools, they've been left behind by almost every other cam sponsor. Find a sponsor that has modern landing pages with live model previews that best match your traffic along with a well done join form. Those factors will have a much greater impact on your sales than cookies.

[Jago Webcams]

Webcams.com has 25% LIFETIME revshare as well as a solid PPS program. We offer customized cobrands, every type of RSS feed imaginable.. Also have 500+ models online 24/7 to convert your traffic

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by LexiLexxx

Search and read up on Imlive, here on GFY.

It isn't pretty.

I love the babe in your avitar. Got more???


as for cams hit me on ICQ. We have a could you can check out.

[rowan]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

I remember a few years back, I don't remember what company it was, but they claimed to make $700 average on their webcam customers. It is true that some guys spend hundreds and thousands on cams, but there are more guys who sign up to things for free.

One of my webcam sponsors used to say something like "earn $3,000 per member" on their front page. I don't expect I'll ever earn even 10% of that per member.

Their front page now says "Each new member could earn you... $120,000"

Yep, this is unlikely, but actually more plausible. The catch is that you might have 5 whales who spend that much out of millions of customers. It's unlikely you'll ever be the lucky affiliate. Kinda dodgy to promote it that way.

[EvilFubAr]

At least 10% of PCs are blocking cookies. We had some cookie only projects that were up to 30% in some cases.

[gaymoviesblog]

Originally Posted by EvilFubAr

You should use Smut Cams http://cam.smut.com from ARS $40 Per Free member, or $75 Per active. The member will get $20 to spend with any model.

that's a real sweet deal. i thought u guyz were paying out only $20 - $25?

[gaymoviesblog]

evilfubar - you guys got gay cams? i can't find 'em.

[gaymoviesblog]

nah, no gay cams.

i too am about to toss the towel in on PPS free cams.

IMHO cam program are converting accounts from PPS to revshare anyhow. So why waste the time...

[atom]

Originally Posted by gaymoviesblog

evilfubar - you guys got gay cams? i can't find 'em.

We have gay cams HERE.

As for PPS or Revshare on Cams, I have all my personal links going to Revshare because I know for a fact it can pay out 10 times more than PPS.

BTW, HotCams pays 25% for life or $50pps.

[gaymoviesblog]

Originally Posted by atom

We have gay cams HERE.

As for PPS or Revshare on Cams, I have all my personal links going to Revshare because I know for a fact it can pay out 10 times more than PPS.

BTW, HotCams pays 25% for life or $50pps.

that's a mtree skin.

do you offer category links and performer links? most mtree partners can't, don't, won't, or phuk it up.

let me know...

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by lazycash

I think you are putting way too much emphasis on the cookie. Cams are for the most part an impulse decision for the surfer, if they are going to buy, it will be when they first get to the site. The longer cookie will most likely have less than a 5% impact on your sales, while things like creative text, live iframe ads and well done sponsor landing pages will have a much stronger impact on your conversions. Clickcash has extremely poor webmaster promotion tools, they've been left behind by almost every other cam sponsor. Find a sponsor that has modern landing pages with live model previews that best match your traffic along with a well done join form. Those factors will have a much greater impact on your sales than cookies.

I've seen plenty of sales from cookies. Enough to want those sales anyways.

And I know all about CC's lack of tools. To be honest, I make all my own promo and use all my own stuff, and liked the fact that people too lazy to do that don't bother with click cash. Less competition, and no worries about people having seen the same ads other places already. Landing pages are important too of course.

Really, I'm no amateur to pushing cams. I just need the right sponsor to fit what I have going on already. Thank you for your advice though, I do appreciate it.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by Jago Webcams

Webcams.com has 25% LIFETIME revshare as well as a solid PPS program. We offer customized cobrands, every type of RSS feed imaginable.. Also have 500+ models online 24/7 to convert your traffic

yeah you guys are so far looking the best choice.

from the webcams.com affiliate FAQ:

A: We understand that there are many cam sites available and they all have great features. Some key reasons you should use us instead of them:

* We start at $40 per sign up. A lot of webcam programs say they pay a huge amount 'per sign up' such as starting at $60+, but really, they only pay you when a customer buys time on their site. We pay you as soon as the customer's membership is approved.
* High revshare payouts for a long term income stream
* Revshare is calculated on a gross basis, before processing fees.
* Revshare is tracked in the database instead of with cookies, to ensure long-term performance
* Webcams.com is a trusted domain name. Customers will feel legitimacy as soon as they see the domain name of the site they are joining. Trust equals more sign ups and better ratios
* Better marketing tools, including full access to all model images and videos
* No over saturation.

Tracked in the database sounds good to me. That's what I am talking about. None of this expose my surfer to your site, and then poof, he's gone due to expired cookies or something. Yay for getting credit on my referrals.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by EvilFubAr

At least 10% of PCs are blocking cookies. We had some cookie only projects that were up to 30% in some cases.

yeah, I have to remember that too. Cookies are like old school huh.

[budz]

<3 clickcash,.. I can't talk bad about them.. they paid me well

I've been using AWE...
for me they're the best converting out of all the other cam programs I've tried .. FWIW

but nothing has converted for me as well as CC back in the day..

[LexiLexxx]

Originally Posted by pornguy

I love the babe in your avitar. Got more???


as for cams hit me on ICQ. We have a could you can check out.

Yes :-)

Thats me.

Are u looking for content?

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

I've seen plenty of sales from cookies. Enough to want those sales anyways.

And I know all about CC's lack of tools. To be honest, I make all my own promo and use all my own stuff, and liked the fact that people too lazy to do that don't bother with click cash. Less competition, and no worries about people having seen the same ads other places already. Landing pages are important too of course.

Really, I'm no amateur to pushing cams. I just need the right sponsor to fit what I have going on already. Thank you for your advice though, I do appreciate it.

Alright, can you tell me how in the world you know a sale came from cookie?

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by lazycash

Alright, can you tell me how in the world you know a sale came from cookie?

wouldn't that be a no referrer sale? am I wrong?

[Stellar]

No referral sales can happen for many reasons.

I surely wouldn't chalk all of them up to cookies

[Puremeds-J]

If you are an adult webmaster you should be sending all your links through your own gateway first. That way when it comes time to switch out links, you goto 1 place, and its all done across all domains.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by Puremeds-J

If you are an adult webmaster you should be sending all your links through your own gateway first. That way when it comes time to switch out links, you goto 1 place, and its all done across all domains.

yeah I pretty much do something like that. But I've been working cams since 2001, so I've learned along the way.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by Stellar

No referral sales can happen for many reasons.

I surely wouldn't chalk all of them up to cookies

yeah maybe this is where I am incorrect. But cc is always really good with referring pages, their stats have always been one of my favorites. I either know exactly where the sale came from, or no data.

what would be some causes of no referrer sales then?

[Antonio]

another vote for MTree revshare

[vending_machine]

Thanks for the MTree bumps

[Redmanthatcould]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

Tracked in the database sounds good to me. That's what I am talking about. None of this expose my surfer to your site, and then poof, he's gone due to expired cookies or something. Yay for getting credit on my referrals.

Who were you using that tracked rebills with a cookie and not a database?

From my own research, cam sponsors I looked at track rebills through a database, tying the purchase to one or more of several pieces of info (username, CC #, email address, physical address, etc).

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

Who were you using that tracked rebills with a cookie and not a database?

From my own research, cam sponsors I looked at track rebills through a database, tying the purchase to one or more of several pieces of info (username, CC #, email address, physical address, etc).

I was referring to PPS, not revshare.

but all this cookie talk has me thinking about some chipsahoy.

[fuzebox]

Webcams.com revshare is a great way to go, especially if you promote the recurring membership price point instead of the free join

[fris]

cherrylula, reminder, awe only has a 14 day cookie

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

yeah maybe this is where I am incorrect. But cc is always really good with referring pages, their stats have always been one of my favorites. I either know exactly where the sale came from, or no data.

what would be some causes of no referrer sales then?

If you get a sale from a return surfer its most likely because the surfer bookmarked your own landing page or the cc link you sent them through, cookies won't come into play. As the previous poster says, there are multitude of reasons you could get no referrer sales in your cc stats. If you're looking for pps sponsors then cookies should be the very last thing for you to be worried about.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by fris

cherrylula, reminder, awe only has a 14 day cookie

I see them now saying that you get lifetime revshare with their cobrand, I haven't tested it. I stopped promoting them a couple years ago when their owner came on gfy and said webmasters were lucky they were paying them the 14 day revshare and there was no way webmasters deserved lifetime revshare.

[Stellar]

Look,

I have been doing A LOT of testing the past 2 months or so and what it comes down to is consistency.

MTree is good in all but if your doing PPS, even if you promote the program with a very "none-free" focal point you will still find that your are still likely to get switched from PPS to REVSHARE on account of your traffic's performance not making them a profit.

Now CC doesn't offer revshare so they will give you a notice, and then kill your account.. but they are much less likely to do this as quick as mtree because they do scrub and shave off your numbers to make up for their losses.

Mtree and CC are about the only true free join pps programs out there, as well as webcams.com but at a lower payout.

So, taking all this into consideration as well as my traffic tests I must say if your going to build something from the ground up, go with webcams.com .. Jago is an honest fellow and he will tell you if your sales are profiting or not via PPS program, and he is also flexible if you can deliver volume.

So even though CC scrubs/shaves, it takes a lot of terrible traffic performance for you to get your account termed.

Mtree will give you notice, but they are very quick about switching you to revshare instead of terming your account.

Webcams.com is one of the more honest companies out there, who will work with you whatever the case, plus they have cleaner pages and better models all around.

If your going revshare, go with webcams.com

If you are going pps, really consider re-arranging your cc traffic, if all else fails try webcams.com pps program.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by Stellar

Look,

I have been doing A LOT of testing the past 2 months or so and what it comes down to is consistency.

MTree is good in all but if your doing PPS, even if you promote the program with a very "none-free" focal point you will still find that your are still likely to get switched from PPS to REVSHARE on account of your traffic's performance not making them a profit.

Now CC doesn't offer revshare so they will give you a notice, and then kill your account.. but they are much less likely to do this as quick as mtree because they do scrub and shave off your numbers to make up for their losses.

Mtree and CC are about the only true free join pps programs out there, as well as webcams.com but at a lower payout.

So, taking all this into consideration as well as my traffic tests I must say if your going to build something from the ground up, go with webcams.com .. Jago is an honest fellow and he will tell you if your sales are profiting or not via PPS program, and he is also flexible if you can deliver volume.

So even though CC scrubs/shaves, it takes a lot of terrible traffic performance for you to get your account termed.

Mtree will give you notice, but they are very quick about switching you to revshare instead of terming your account.

Webcams.com is one of the more honest companies out there, who will work with you whatever the case, plus they have cleaner pages and better models all around.

If your going revshare, go with webcams.com

If you are going pps, really consider re-arranging your cc traffic, if all else fails try webcams.com pps program.

I've been promoting Clickcash since 99 and still have an active account and Mtree since 2002 and still have a pps account and I've done six figures with both of them. ARS new free pps program is also an option.

[~Ray]

send your traffic to a middle page, then to the sponsor, so you only have to change ONE PAGE if you change sponsors.

I found that out the hard way as did many here.

[cherrylula]

Thank you all for such good info. This thread is exactly what I needed.

[John Marco]

Webcams.com just launched v2 of our affiliate program:

http://www.webcams.com/affiliate/

We have excellent stats interface, lifetime revshare, and great PPS rates

I know this is what everyone else says but you should really try us.. we have years and years of experience of promoting webcams, including ifriends and we have designed great tools that convert traffic.. specifically targeted to industry veterans, not just glossy cookie cutter promo tools that appeal to the masses